I agree and disagree. I agree that the sailors are stupid and should not have been in the water. But at the same time, Iran has NO right to capture British sailors and ignore requests from otehr governments. Though, Tehran does have some right to negotiate with Britain.kmt wrote:
Haha Kimbo, lol. Iran well.. I think those sailors were just stupid. They shouldn't had entered the waters anyway. Iran could decide what they want to do with them actually as they entered their waters. But I think it's the smartest thing for Iran to send the sailors back..Scardaddy wrote:
wow in the words of Kimbo... If that's all you got... then this is over
We really don't know if they entered Iranian waters.kmt wrote:
Haha Kimbo, lol. Iran well.. I think those sailors were just stupid. They shouldn't had entered the waters anyway. Iran could decide what they want to do with them actually as they entered their waters. But I think it's the smartest thing for Iran to send the sailors back..Scardaddy wrote:
wow in the words of Kimbo... If that's all you got... then this is over
They are a joke. . . .the leaders of Iran are total and complete criminals, racists, and ignorant pricks. . .James-M-II wrote:
iran should stop trying to play in the big leagues, theyre not ready yet, iran is a laughable country, the whole nation is a joke.
I really hope the Brits give a deadline soon (i.e. if our fucking troops are not returned in 72hrs, YOUR FUCKED! type rhetoric) cause as it stands now. . . .this crisis is totally out of hand, something needs to be done!
How can you let your troops rot in Iranian holding facilities, and not threaten military action?
The actions by Iran are absolutely, totally, and completely unexceptable. . . . They deserve the full brunt of the US and British military. . .PERIOD! There is no negotiating at this point, cause the Iranians want it either their way or no way. . . .FUCK EM'!!!!!!!
I guarantee if the Iranians know in 48 or 72 hrs the US and British are about to ruin their country, they might, just might say, "Ok guys we dont want to be fucked, here are your sailors back. . ."
Bottom line, the US and British should not have a repeat of 1979. . . .that was flat out shameful!
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-03-31 11:15:12)
This isn't 1979 -- because they are NOT DIPLOMATIC PERSONAL INSIDE A DESIGNATED EMBASSY!!! So essentially we can't really have a repeat of this scenario.
UK troops do not have the "right" to encroach on "perceived" territorial waters anymore than Iran has the right to go into "perceived" Iraqi territorial waters.
All the bashing i see over Iran is rather comical really -- I understand some of you have this preconceived notion of military superiority over anyone that isn't your ally, but for god's sake put this notion down for a minute and act like a rational human being. That means ACT ON REASON not emotion. Both governments are trying to resolve this via Diplomatic means and if its take to a different level it will be initiated by the UK -- guess whom is now the aggressor?
UK troops do not have the "right" to encroach on "perceived" territorial waters anymore than Iran has the right to go into "perceived" Iraqi territorial waters.
All the bashing i see over Iran is rather comical really -- I understand some of you have this preconceived notion of military superiority over anyone that isn't your ally, but for god's sake put this notion down for a minute and act like a rational human being. That means ACT ON REASON not emotion. Both governments are trying to resolve this via Diplomatic means and if its take to a different level it will be initiated by the UK -- guess whom is now the aggressor?
lol! you are a joke. . . .Fen321 wrote:
This isn't 1979 -- because they are NOT DIPLOMATIC PERSONAL INSIDE A DESIGNATED EMBASSY!!! So essentially we can't really have a repeat of this scenario.
UK troops do not have the "right" to encroach on "perceived" territorial waters anymore than Iran has the right to go into "perceived" Iraqi territorial waters.
All the bashing i see over Iran is rather comical really -- I understand some of you have this preconceived notion of military superiority over anyone that isn't your ally, but for god's sake put this notion down for a minute and act like a rational human being. That means ACT ON REASON not emotion. Both governments are trying to resolve this via Diplomatic means and if its take to a different level it will be initiated by the UK -- guess whom is now the aggressor?
Do you think the Iranian leadership acts with "reason" and "not of emotion". Are you high?? Did you smoke a huge crack bowl before you typed this morning??
The very fact you think the Brits possibly encroached on Iranian water is rediculous. . . .They were doing a regular patrol. . nothing out of the ordinary, no border encroachment PERIOD!
"act like a rational human being". . . . again lol! You act like we (USA/UK) are dealing with a rational regime!! You do realize that Iran is not run by rational individuals. . . They actively preach terrorism/fund it, promote the destruction of a race of people, I mean those are just two MAJOR issues they deal with, do I need to even continue. . . .
Now they have captured 15 sailors for no other reason than they are trying to use them as a blackmail/bargaining chip. You do realize parading them on television and making them write forced letters is ILLEGAL. They are a criminal regime that has no interest in negotiating unless its on their terms. . .I mean its plainly evident by their actions year in and year out. . .
When do we say enough is enough??? Honestly, When is enough, ENOUGH?? How many more days need to go by. . . .???? What more does Iran need to do? They have killed over a hundred Americans in Iraq, funded terrorism in Iraq, supply weapons/money to Hezbollah, actively pursuing nukelear weapons, and now taken hostages. . .
WHEN DOES IT STOP?? Through UN negotiatiors?. . .LOL!! Negotiations dont work with irrational people, they flat out dont. . . .
??????????????????????????????????????????????what else does Iran need to do?????????????????????????????
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-03-31 12:28:21)
Im gonna be blunt with you.fadedsteve wrote:
lol! you are a joke. . . .Fen321 wrote:
This isn't 1979 -- because they are NOT DIPLOMATIC PERSONAL INSIDE A DESIGNATED EMBASSY!!! So essentially we can't really have a repeat of this scenario.
UK troops do not have the "right" to encroach on "perceived" territorial waters anymore than Iran has the right to go into "perceived" Iraqi territorial waters.
All the bashing i see over Iran is rather comical really -- I understand some of you have this preconceived notion of military superiority over anyone that isn't your ally, but for god's sake put this notion down for a minute and act like a rational human being. That means ACT ON REASON not emotion. Both governments are trying to resolve this via Diplomatic means and if its take to a different level it will be initiated by the UK -- guess whom is now the aggressor?
Do you think the Iranian leadership acts with "reason" and "not of emotion". Are you high?? Did you smoke a huge crack bowl before you typed this morning??
The very fact you think the Brits possibly encroached on Iranian water is rediculous. . . .They were doing a regular patrol. . nothing out of the ordinary, no border encroachment PERIOD!
"act like a rational human being". . . . again lol! You act like we (USA/UK) are dealing with a rational regime!! You do realize that Iran is not run by rational individuals. . . They actively preach terrorism/fund it, promote the destruction of a race of people, I mean those are just two MAJOR issues they deal with, do I need to even continue. . . .
Now they have captured 15 sailors for no other reason than they are trying to use them as a blackmail/bargaining chip. You do realize parading them on television and making them write forced letters is ILLEGAL. They are a criminal regime that has no interest in negotiating unless its on their terms. . .I mean its plainly evident by their actions year in and year out. . .
When do we say enough is enough??? Honestly, When is enough, ENOUGH?? How many more days need to go by. . . .???? What more does Iran need to do? They have killed over a hundred Americans in Iraq, funded terrorism in Iraq, supply weapons/money to Hezbollah, actively pursuing nukelear weapons, and now taken hostages. . .
WHEN DOES IT STOP?? Through UN negotiatiors?. . .LOL!! Negotiations dont work with irrational people, they flat out dont. . . .
??????????????????????????????????????????????what else does Iran need to do?????????????????????????????
A. Calm Down
B. Stop being so biased and look at it from the Iranian Position
C. YOU ARENT ALWAYS CORRECT
D. Stop with the fucking ?????????? marks
E. Give peace a chance
F. You are the reason why everyone hates america....
G. Thank you.
Hey, I cant help you if you have shit for brains. . . .look from the Iranian position. . .are you kidding me??
How about GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!
btw I never say I am always correct, Im not that arrogant!
"You are the reason why everyone hates america...." no I'm not. . . guys like George W. are reasons why people hate America. . .I am just a regular guy tired of the bullshit!!
How about GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!
btw I never say I am always correct, Im not that arrogant!
"You are the reason why everyone hates america...." no I'm not. . . guys like George W. are reasons why people hate America. . .I am just a regular guy tired of the bullshit!!
Last edited by fadedsteve (2007-03-31 12:51:03)
I surprisingly feel about the same as fadedsteve does regarding the situation.
Am I a closet republican? Haha.
Am I a closet republican? Haha.
Thank you! +1 for you on this fine Saturday!!Hurricane wrote:
I surprisingly feel about the same as fadedsteve does regarding the situation.
Am I a closet republican? Haha.
No, your just a rational guy who realizes who we are dealing with!
Fine by me, as long you go over and fight considering you're such a proponent of death and destruction.fadedsteve wrote:
How about GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!
Or are ya to pussy to leave your little safe gaybar?
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I'm down for whatever my country needs me to do!! If they need me to fight, then I will fight!m3thod wrote:
Fine by me, as long you go over and fight considering you're such a proponent of death and destruction.fadedsteve wrote:
How about GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!
Or are ya to pussy to leave your little safe gaybar?
What about you dude, after all its your countrymen who are getting buttfucked over there??
I do work at a bar (I am the bartender) lol! not a gaybar though. . .
Then please go and do us all a favour....remember to duck.fadedsteve wrote:
I'm down for whatever my country needs me to do!! If they need me to fight, then I will fight!m3thod wrote:
Fine by me, as long you go over and fight considering you're such a proponent of death and destruction.fadedsteve wrote:
How about GIVE WAR A CHANCE!!!
Or are ya to pussy to leave your little safe gaybar?
What about you dude, after all its your countrymen who are getting buttfucked over there??
I do work at a bar (I am the bartender) lol! not a gaybar though. . .
Well it's a crying shame, it's is really....but i'm an bulletaphobic, bombaphobic and crazy Jihadiaphobic. Sorry.
(I still think it's a pillow biters bar)
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
lol, trueNaughty_Om wrote:
And awesome Video games involving Prince's.Hurricane wrote:
And Spartan sword fodder.Naughty_Om wrote:
And cat's?
I hope it doesn't culminate to war, I hope that it ends up with a bitter agreement between the two nations in exchange for all the soldiers being released.
But if a war is started on rational reasons, I'd definitely support it more than I support OIF.
But if a war is started on rational reasons, I'd definitely support it more than I support OIF.
I will duck, but I wont forget to lay down some serious led if need be!!m3thod wrote:
Then please go and do us all a favour....remember to duck.fadedsteve wrote:
I'm down for whatever my country needs me to do!! If they need me to fight, then I will fight!m3thod wrote:
Fine by me, as long you go over and fight considering you're such a proponent of death and destruction.
Or are ya to pussy to leave your little safe gaybar?
What about you dude, after all its your countrymen who are getting buttfucked over there??
I do work at a bar (I am the bartender) lol! not a gaybar though. . .
Well it's a crying shame, it's is really....but i'm an bulletaphobic, bombaphobic and crazy Jihadiaphobic. Sorry.
(I still think it's a pillow biters bar)
Well I guess my Robert Frost quote basically sums you up then. . .thats ok, people are different!
and my bar is far from being a pillow biters bar. . . .check it out, johnbentleys.com
They were not in iranian waters.klassekock wrote:
If some iranian sailors would have entered the waters of USA or Great Britain, ?hat would you have done?
exactly,Britian even has GPS records of where their boats were,1.5 miles inside of Iraqi.usmarine2007 wrote:
They were not in iranian waters.klassekock wrote:
If some iranian sailors would have entered the waters of USA or Great Britain, ?hat would you have done?
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Says who? Your goverment?usmarine2007 wrote:
They were not in iranian waters.klassekock wrote:
If some iranian sailors would have entered the waters of USA or Great Britain, ?hat would you have done?
It's not relevant if they were on iranian waters or not. The relevance here is what the iranians believe. They believe they acted on the right grounds and therefore the diplomatic negotiations have to go from there. This matter is not justified to start a war over. Innocent women and children will die and we have had enough of that (Haditha), don't we?
What an idiot.klassekock wrote:
Says who? Your goverment?usmarine2007 wrote:
They were not in iranian waters.klassekock wrote:
If some iranian sailors would have entered the waters of USA or Great Britain, ?hat would you have done?
It's not relevant if they were on iranian waters or not. The relevance here is what the iranians believe. They believe they acted on the right grounds and therefore the diplomatic negotiations have to go from there. This matter is not justified to start a war over. Innocent women and children will die and we have had enough of that (Haditha), don't we?
Basically, Iran is trying to prove that they have some power in the International Community. As long as the US and Britain refrain from taking military action to recover their soldiers, Iran will claim this as a victory. Its basically the kid poking the big bear and running away really fast. If the bear decides it's not worth his trouble, then its a win for the kid and will make him look really big and strong and cool to his friends.
Last edited by Elamdri (2007-03-31 13:57:30)
until the day that the big bear finally gets ticked and whoops the little kid's tush.Elamdri wrote:
Basically, Iran is trying to prove that they have some power in the International Community. As long as the US and Britain refrain from taking military action to recover their soldiers, Iran will claim this as a victory. Its basically the kid poking the big bear and running away really fast. If the bear decides it's not worth his trouble, then its a win for the kid and will make him look really big and strong and cool to his friends.
At the moment, I think that we,and the rest of the world doesn't really want a war between the US and Iran...but if Iran keeps up with this crap,I certainly hope that our government does not back down.
Last edited by akaGraham (2007-03-31 14:00:33)
Your post reminds me of our American Revolution. Not that im saying Iran is justified. Just the scenario you setup.Elamdri wrote:
Basically, Iran is trying to prove that they have some power in the International Community. As long as the US and Britain refrain from taking military action to recover their soldiers, Iran will claim this as a victory. Its basically the kid poking the big bear and running away really fast. If the bear decides it's not worth his trouble, then its a win for the kid and will make him look really big and strong and cool to his friends.
Would you like to explain why you think i'm a idiot? Do you really think anything good is gonna come from another war in the middle east? Oh wait, your name is usmarine 2007. I believe it's pointless to debate with you. Why dont you go polish your rifle or something.....
Yawn....klassekock wrote:
Would you like to explain why you think i'm a idiot? Do you really think anything good is gonna come from another war in the middle east? Oh wait, your name is usmarine 2007. I believe it's pointless to debate with you. Why dont you go polish your rifle or something.....
Yes,sadly there would be American casualties in the event that we were forced to wipe out Iran. I wish that this could be avoided,but I don't think that we'd be using nukes to take them out.klassekock wrote:
Would you like to explain why you think i'm a idiot? Do you really think anything good is gonna come from another war in the middle east? Oh wait, your name is usmarine 2007. I believe it's pointless to debate with you. Why dont you go polish your rifle or something.....
Last edited by akaGraham (2007-03-31 14:04:05)