What kind of left coast crap..............Smitty5613 wrote:
I love burritos and 4 am
parties that never end
dogs that love cats
and.. and TWINS!!!
lol...I am currently drinking Coors Light.
lol...I am currently drinking Coors Light.
Um... he is no longer a consultant for them.... but he does still own tens of thousands of shares.....David.Podedworny wrote:
Sadly he wont listen he's too busy selling contracts to blackwater and haliburton.An Enlarged Liver wrote:
Man you got it all figured out!!! Tell Cheney.David.Podedworny wrote:
My plan for Iraq is simple.
1.Give the troops what the fuck they need
2. Close the fucken borders
3.Evacuate all civilians out of the country temporarily
4.Classify all those who stayed as hostile
5.Make Iraq one giant battlefield between us and them
6.Destroy the main insurgency
7.Re-deploy the Iraqi army as a security force
8.Rebuild the whole country
9.Move the civilians back in
10.Get out of the country and let them handle it unless they ask for our help(Repeat steps 1-5 if needed)
Now i know i aint gonna destroy the whole insurgency just the ones that will stay are the most hard lined and killing them will morally destroy the insurgency.
hmm... Samuel adams is better..usmarine2005 wrote:
What kind of left coast crap..............Smitty5613 wrote:
I love burritos and 4 am
parties that never end
dogs that love cats
and.. and TWINS!!!
lol...I am currently drinking Coors Light.
Boston Lagaur (or however you spell it)
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Clausewitzusmarine2005 wrote:
Von ClauswitchRAIMIUS wrote:
"War is merely the continuation of policy by other means."Sanjaya wrote:
I love it when all these big bad soldier types get online and whine and cry like bitches because they don't understand the consequences of their own actions.
Guess who makes the policy?...not the military!
+1
Fucking keyboard. Thanks.Masques wrote:
Clausewitzusmarine2005 wrote:
Von ClauswitchRAIMIUS wrote:
"War is merely the continuation of policy by other means."
Guess who makes the policy?...not the military!
+1
Chuck Norris is in control, everyone take it easy....Masques wrote:
Clausewitzusmarine2005 wrote:
Von ClauswitchRAIMIUS wrote:
"War is merely the continuation of policy by other means."
Guess who makes the policy?...not the military!
+1
first of all: what the fuck does your friends fucking up their own little lives have anything to do with GWB??? "Hey! lets blame bush for me catching herpes!" same theory, different story.An Enlarged Liver wrote:
Since this thing started the little punks I work with have: (and they are all under 25) had heart attacks, (yes plural, due to drugs) crashed their cars, been cheated on by their women, gone to jail for innumerable violations of the law,... I could go on but whats the point. Now they all think GW is a fucker. Not that any of them voted but if they had it would have been for Bonehead. The article posted for opinion basically reflect exactly how I felt from the onset of this war, with the exception of one thing:
There was no way EVER to win this war.
Secondly: there is a way to win this war. Too bad all politicians care about is their own damn popularity and getting re-elected. it's like vietnam all over again. we're fighting with two hands tied behind our back and a blindfold on. Once again, the Liberals win a victory for democracy! Vietnam is a great place with no corruption, a booming economy, and americans are welcomed with open arms!
Wait a minute.... thats not right....
if we want to see the difference between what happens when america intervenes and america doesnt, all we have to do is look at North and South Korea..... Think long and hard before you answer this, but: Which would you rather live in? North or South Korea.
POINT MADE
And he gets dividends from them does'nt he?An Enlarged Liver wrote:
Um... he is no longer a consultant for them.... but he does still own tens of thousands of shares.....David.Podedworny wrote:
Sadly he wont listen he's too busy selling contracts to blackwater and haliburton.An Enlarged Liver wrote:
Man you got it all figured out!!! Tell Cheney.
Like I said, CLEARLY the Democrats fault. And the people I work with are not my friends, they are my co-workers.comet241 wrote:
first of all: what the fuck does your friends fucking up their own little lives have anything to do with GWB??? "Hey! lets blame bush for me catching herpes!" same theory, different story.An Enlarged Liver wrote:
Since this thing started the little punks I work with have: (and they are all under 25) had heart attacks, (yes plural, due to drugs) crashed their cars, been cheated on by their women, gone to jail for innumerable violations of the law,... I could go on but whats the point. Now they all think GW is a fucker. Not that any of them voted but if they had it would have been for Bonehead. The article posted for opinion basically reflect exactly how I felt from the onset of this war, with the exception of one thing:
There was no way EVER to win this war.
Secondly: there is a way to win this war. Too bad all politicians care about is their own damn popularity and getting re-elected. it's like vietnam all over again. we're fighting with two hands tied behind our back and a blindfold on. Once again, the Liberals win a victory for democracy! Vietnam is a great place with no corruption, a booming economy, and americans are welcomed with open arms!
Wait a minute.... thats not right....
if we want to see the difference between what happens when america intervenes and america doesnt, all we have to do is look at North and South Korea..... Think long and hard before you answer this, but: Which would you rather live in? North or South Korea.
POINT MADE
Corruption?!?!? - shit look no further than the current Attorney General who was put in place less than two years ago.... or Libby, or Rumsfeld, or Hillary, ALL OF THEM ARE CORRUPT PIECES OF SHIT.
So exactly how is it that the liberals 'lost' this war? By breaking the back of the American will? All reasons that this war WERE based upon have changed since day one. WMD's: None. Remove Sadam: Done.
Why are we still there? Hang around until we can bleed them dry, secure future oil reserves, and implant a Christian stronghold. The entire thing was a crock of shit and if your still swallowing God help you.
i feel the same about you. keep cramming what the liberal media feeds you down your gullet. thats what they want, just like a good boy.
great idea: lets cut and run, do another half-assed job.
regardless of what you may feel about our reasons for being there in the first place are, there is no arguing that we are there, and what we do next makes a big difference.
reference my previous post and ask yourself the same question:
would you rather live in North Korea or South Korea?
Or: South Korea or Vietnam?
The difference between cutting and running and sticking it out, no matter the cost, is pretty clear.
great idea: lets cut and run, do another half-assed job.
regardless of what you may feel about our reasons for being there in the first place are, there is no arguing that we are there, and what we do next makes a big difference.
reference my previous post and ask yourself the same question:
would you rather live in North Korea or South Korea?
Or: South Korea or Vietnam?
The difference between cutting and running and sticking it out, no matter the cost, is pretty clear.
For the record Ralph Peters is not a liberal (I have seen loose comments suggesting that). I have never heard him take claim to any particular party also. His opinion usually revolves around what is best for the troops and what is needed for success.
He is a retired Lt.Col. He knows his shit. When all the major news networks look for military commentators they look for him.
I know a little bit about him .
He is a retired Lt.Col. He knows his shit. When all the major news networks look for military commentators they look for him.
I know a little bit about him .
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I think this opinion piece by Ralph Peters pretty much sums up my views on the Iraq War. I supported it and thought removing Saddam was an opportunity for democracy in the middle east. Unfortunately the reality today is very sad.
Good find k-dog
Good find k-dog
Never said everything was fine in Iraq before the elections but kerry Clinton, Dean etc....... were all bashing this war effort long boefore the elctions as well.JahManRed wrote:
Ok, so everything was peaches and Roses when Bush and the Republicans had over all control of both houses. Can you show me some stats to show how things have got worse since the Dems got control of the house?lowing wrote:
No Cam, it is a testiment to the failure of certain political groups to actually support our troops and let them finish the job they were tasked to do.The failure in Iraqi has got fuck all to do with Solders, American, French, British.......nothing. The failures are were made by the planners, the arrogant fuckwits who thought the deeply divided people of Iraqi would accept an elected government and occupation side by side in the first place. The failures lay with Republican politicians who allowed Plane loads of US dollars to be dished out to any tom dick or Harry without any record. The same money which is most likely funding allot of the attacks on American Solders today. The failure lays with the US politicians and nation builders who allowed Politicians linked to death squads and insurgents into power while ordinary Americans, like Ex Police Chefs and city administrators cried and screamed foul, only to be quietly removed from office and sent home.lowing wrote:
Supporting the troops does not mean brining them home so they don'y get killed like most of you suggest.
It means letting them do their jobs with the full backing of their country. When you support the troops, you support their mission. You simply can not say I support the troops but disagree with their efforts and their mission. THey were sent to Iraq to set up a stable working govt. The poiticians and the people that support these politicans did everything they possibly could to make sure that mission failed. All for the want of the White House.
The ultimate failure was/is trying to fast track stability in Iraqi. It will take decades and unless the US was willing to commit to that kind of time line, they shouldn't have bothered.Labeling people who question and point out obvious failures a terrorist is typical of the propaganda spewed by the Republican Right. If you are an American you at least get the honor of being called a Troop hating Democrat, the rest of us are just terrorists. Sweet.lowing wrote:
Congratulations on yours and your terrorist allies for your victory. I sincerely hope that Iraq and all the ME that live like shit get everything they have coming.
Ok, so you went in to spread western democracy and values in a country and they reject it, so what, you now advocate the mutual punishment of the ME because they won't have western ideology forced on them?? Sounds like Stalinist Russian talk to me.What a ridiculous statement. If all which you have just said is true the you should have went in and 'liberated' Africa first. You are all ready sitting back and watching, while your pharmaceutical companies Deni the AIDS drugs that will keep 10s of millions of Africans alive, while they patent well practiced and used traditional African medicines.............. Have a look at how the US was the only country who refused to sign The Cologne debt program, which sought to cancel debt to the poorest African nations in order for them to direct the massive interest payments they make each year into infrastructure and taking care of their peoples. FFS the debt was small change (2.2b) to the US purse but massive to countries struggling with inflation. The US doesn't give a shit about Africa as theirs no money to be made.lowing wrote:
I will heed your advice about minding our own business and support the complete an utter indifference to Africa.....YOU go and fix it, WE, will sit back and watch for a change.
The failure in Iraq was ours, the lack of support for the troops and their mission is the failure. So everyones bullshit about how they support the troops just not war is just thatBULLSHIT. You can not support the troops without supporting the efforts charged to them. PERIOD.
If we are all ready sitting back and watching then you should be of full support of that position. I am all for minding my own business, like you suggest we do in Iraq. Thats for your support on this issue.
Suit yourself, if you don't like being called an "ally to the terrorists" then stop acting like one, and siding against the coalitions efforts to destroy their sorry asses.CameronPoe wrote:
Very well then - I won't be debating with you any further on any topic. And I hate to do this but I will be reporting your post.lowing wrote:
Cam I will stick by my posts, since I have read your posts you have always walked the fine edge of celebration and smugness at every US setback in the war.
Not really sure what you are going to report me for, but hey, I am sure you will think of something.
As far as debating with me, sorry ya feel that way, but I still will be posting against comments you continue to make against the efforts of the coalition to fighting those, who you enjoy watching blooding the nose of our troops and their efforts. ...................Terrorists.
Yeah right it is. Maybe some of them. But big chunks coming out of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is not going to happen.Kmarion wrote:
It's gonna happen one way or another.LT.Victim wrote:
Your going to have major problems if you try and re-draw the borders over there..
All 3 of those states would oppose changes of borders and there is nothing anyone would do about it. Pakistan has nukes, so no one will be fucking with them, Saudi Arabia have a big well equipped (Challenger 2s, M1A2s, Typhoons, F15s etc.) military, which no one will be messing with and Turkey, well no one's going to be changing their borders.
That may help to stabilise the region, but getting it to happen would cause even more problems.
I was just making the point borders will be redrawn. Not those specifically in the maps.Bertster7 wrote:
Yeah right it is. Maybe some of them. But big chunks coming out of Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan is not going to happen.Kmarion wrote:
It's gonna happen one way or another.LT.Victim wrote:
Your going to have major problems if you try and re-draw the borders over there..
All 3 of those states would oppose changes of borders and there is nothing anyone would do about it. Pakistan has nukes, so no one will be fucking with them, Saudi Arabia have a big well equipped (Challenger 2s, M1A2s, Typhoons, F15s etc.) military, which no one will be messing with and Turkey, well no one's going to be changing their borders.
That may help to stabilise the region, but getting it to happen would cause even more problems.
Kmarion wrote:
It is important to note that the person who made the maps is not saying this should be done by force. He is just showing "in a perfect world" the best way to accommodate everyone. Of course anyone losing land would be outraged.
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Step 8 could use a little more detail.David.Podedworny wrote:
My plan for Iraq is simple.
1.Give the troops what the fuck they need
2. Close the fucken borders
3.Evacuate all civilians out of the country temporarily
4.Classify all those who stayed as hostile
5.Make Iraq one giant battlefield between us and them
6.Destroy the main insurgency
7.Re-deploy the Iraqi army as a security force
8.Rebuild the whole country
9.Move the civilians back in
10.Get out of the country and let them handle it unless they ask for our help(Repeat steps 1-5 if needed)
Now i know i aint gonna destroy the whole insurgency just the ones that will stay are the most hard lined and killing them will morally destroy the insurgency.
Looks good to me. Let's do it.
I believe thats is not the case for most americans here on DS&T, but this is true for many Americans. Allot of them think democracy is some miracle solution to any country. Just send in the boys, take down the evil dictator and give them DEMOCRACY! Can't get any more naive than that.CameronPoe wrote:
The failure of the US in Iraq is testament to the naivety of many Americans world view.
Cameron, we can't be isolationists. See the two previous world wars where isolationism got us. Just as you and me live in a society, so does our countries. We can't pretend we don't know what happens in the ME and just keep buying their oil.CameronPoe wrote:
BOTTOM LINE: Stay the fuck out of others affairs unless they've attacked you or are a real, genuine and imminent threat to your nation (and no Iraq did not fall into this category), irrespective of whether your motives are 'righteous'. That goes to all interventionists out there. Learn your lesson from this failure and don't engage in any such follies in the future.
Your bottom line goes against your own posts on Israel and Palestine. Why should we care what they do to each other, it dosen't affects us at all. At least on Iraq we can say our heating bills go up. Not that I have a heating bill here in Brazil...
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Well, I'd argue being isolationist most of the time is a good thing. Yes, you can't be purely isolationist, but 9 times out of 10, that's the way to go.EVieira wrote:
I believe thats is not the case for most americans here on DS&T, but this is true for many Americans. Allot of them think democracy is some miracle solution to any country. Just send in the boys, take down the evil dictator and give them DEMOCRACY! Can't get any more naive than that.CameronPoe wrote:
The failure of the US in Iraq is testament to the naivety of many Americans world view.Cameron, we can't be isolationists. See the two previous world wars where isolationism got us. Just as you and me live in a society, so does our countries. We can't pretend we don't know what happens in the ME and just keep buying their oil.CameronPoe wrote:
BOTTOM LINE: Stay the fuck out of others affairs unless they've attacked you or are a real, genuine and imminent threat to your nation (and no Iraq did not fall into this category), irrespective of whether your motives are 'righteous'. That goes to all interventionists out there. Learn your lesson from this failure and don't engage in any such follies in the future.
Your bottom line goes against your own posts on Israel and Palestine. Why should we care what they do to each other, it dosen't affects us at all. At least on Iraq we can say our heating bills go up. Not that I have a heating bill here in Brazil...
You know that little section on the left that says "pre-1967" would have a dramatic impact .Turquoise wrote:
Looks good to me. Let's do it.
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No kidding... heh... but I don't think the Zionists here would like that.Kmarion wrote:
You know that little section on the left that says "pre-1967" would have a dramatic impact .Turquoise wrote:
Looks good to me. Let's do it.
Okay then..robzored. wrote:
Step 8 could use a little more detail.David.Podedworny wrote:
My plan for Iraq is simple.
1.Give the troops what the fuck they need
2. Close the fucken borders
3.Evacuate all civilians out of the country temporarily
4.Classify all those who stayed as hostile
5.Make Iraq one giant battlefield between us and them
6.Destroy the main insurgency
7.Re-deploy the Iraqi army as a security force
8.Rebuild the whole country
9.Move the civilians back in
10.Get out of the country and let them handle it unless they ask for our help(Repeat steps 1-5 if needed)
Now i know i aint gonna destroy the whole insurgency just the ones that will stay are the most hard lined and killing them will morally destroy the insurgency.
Step 8 version 2 split into 3 parts.
Part 1. Rebuild Infrastructure, Gas, Water, Elec, Utilities, etc
Part 2. Rebuild the Homes and Government buildings.
Part 3. And this is most vital for us. Build A Symbol of Iraq's independence and Unity. Aka Some kind of statue or monument, Like say an Iraqi version of the Statue of Liberty(With 2 men shaking hands or maybe 3 of them each one representing sunni,shiite, and kurds) or Split Iraq into different states make a headquarters for each one(Like a capitol building) And let each majority have a symbol of it's unity and independence(Maybe a flag) Let them govern themselves but report to a federal government with rep's from each of the states.
Their i hope thats better for you.
Are they out of bullets or something?David.Podedworny wrote:
1.Give the troops what the fuck they need
You can't keep mexicans out of your own damn soil, how the hell do you expect to close the ENTIRE BORDERS OF IRAQ?David.Podedworny wrote:
2. Close the fucken borders
Well, thats simple enough. Well just airdrop a few million igloo tents for them to live in the middle of the desert while we fix their country. Ok, next step.David.Podedworny wrote:
3.Evacuate all civilians out of the country temporarily
Really simple stuff. Don't forget, you have to give them the miracle solution: DEMOCRACY. Oh yeah, and build a symbol of their independnce and unity. Without that statue/piramid/oblisk/(insert monument here) it would all fall apart and the work would would be in vain.David.Podedworny wrote:
Part 3. And this is most vital for us. Build A Symbol of Iraq's independence and Unity. Aka Some kind of statue or monument, Like say an Iraqi version of the Statue of Liberty(With 2 men shaking hands or maybe 3 of them each one representing sunni,shiite, and kurds) or Split Iraq into different states make a headquarters for each one(Like a capitol building) And let each majority have a symbol of it's unity and independence(Maybe a flag) Let them govern themselves but report to a federal government with rep's from each of the states.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Don't get it do you. We can not win no matter how fucking long we stay dumbass. We could be there for a hundred fucking years and there will still be suicide bombers just like there was today (in the most fortified place in Iraq's entirety). Just more wasted money on a tyrants legacy and dead US soldiers and Iraqi's.comet241 wrote:
i feel the same about you. keep cramming what the liberal media feeds you down your gullet. thats what they want, just like a good boy.
great idea: lets cut and run, do another half-assed job.
regardless of what you may feel about our reasons for being there in the first place are, there is no arguing that we are there, and what we do next makes a big difference.
reference my previous post and ask yourself the same question:
would you rather live in North Korea or South Korea?
Or: South Korea or Vietnam?
The difference between cutting and running and sticking it out, no matter the cost, is pretty clear.