Yes, because the reverse never happens. The Cronulla Riots were actually a misinterpreted attempt to welcome Muslims.Pea....Tear.....Griffen wrote:
It is hard for anyone but those who are afected (australians- me) by their presence to make judgement about these people. .
If all of you had had a family member or friends put in hostpital after an islamic/muslim attack then you would be with me on this, beleive me, nothing would anger you more than seeing friends/family on crutches and eating soup for a month after being bashed by 10-15 muslims with baseball bats
That was not my point either. Why hasn't anyone attacked him, or others in this thread like they would attack us for saying the same thing?Bubbalo wrote:
I know, your point was that you agreed with him, I decided to ignore that and pretend that you were being rational for once.
i can only imagine how hard it is for you to be accepting of these people, and i'm sorry to hear you have been so closely affected... i can imagine it's hard for you to be more tolerant when these unfortunate incidents we hear about on the news hit so close to home.Pea....Tear.....Griffen wrote:
It is hard for anyone but those who are afected (australians- me) by their presence to make judgement about these people. .
If all of you had had a family member or friends put in hostpital after an islamic/muslim attack then you would be with me on this, beleive me, nothing would anger you more than seeing friends/family on crutches and eating soup for a month after being bashed by 10-15 muslims with baseball bats
but i think we have to be bigger than this monority that we are fearful of and approach the issue in a better way than we have... i hope one day maybe you can too.
the riots were the unfortunate reaction to some young men 'of middle eastern extraction' beating up a lifeguard...Bubbalo wrote:
Yes, because the reverse never happens. The Cronulla Riots were actually a misinterpreted attempt to welcome Muslims.
actually religion could be a powerful voice for changing the current state of affairs, if only they could get it together... scrapping the sydney mufti was great news... hopefully the start of a real change.sydroost wrote:
Whether it is the muslims with their bats or the asians with their knives they are all breaking the law and they know they are but they dont respecct the law because their religious leaders dont repspect the law and thats what most of them care about. It all comes down to religion and how it has screwed up society. Screw all religion.
SCIENCE IS THE ONLY ANSWER!
I wish our country would recognize islam as a subversive system of government LIKE IT IS, and toss all the carpet kissers out on their asses.
Yeah, because Indonesia and India are really subversive!theelviscerator wrote:
I wish our country would recognize islam as a subversive system of government LIKE IT IS, and toss all the carpet kissers out on their asses.
Get your facts straight first.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Getting rid of that mufti was a great idea i agree, but if you take a look at pretty much all conflicts going on nowadays it is so much about religion or at least tied to it in a significant way.neon_flux601 wrote:
actually religion could be a powerful voice for changing the current state of affairs, if only they could get it together... scrapping the sydney mufti was great news... hopefully the start of a real change.sydroost wrote:
Whether it is the muslims with their bats or the asians with their knives they are all breaking the law and they know they are but they dont respecct the law because their religious leaders dont repspect the law and thats what most of them care about. It all comes down to religion and how it has screwed up society. Screw all religion.
SCIENCE IS THE ONLY ANSWER!
so in the end it all comes down to religion, religion will make it all better or screw it all up.
Personelly i cant see any religion making it better but by all means they should try.
-101-InvaderZim wrote:
Yes totally agree. Australia is a Secular State with Laws created by Parliament. Sharia Law has no standing. Those Muslims that dont agree with Australian Laws SHOULD leave.
Because I didn't bother to read the whole of the two pages. I'm sure I've missed plenty of other comments by you in various threads for the same reason. Despite what you may believe, the world doesn't revolve around you, and sometimes events have absolutely nothing to do with you.usmarine2005 wrote:
That was not my point either. Why hasn't anyone attacked him, or others in this thread like they would attack us for saying the same thing?Bubbalo wrote:
I know, your point was that you agreed with him, I decided to ignore that and pretend that you were being rational for once.
Which, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that it was made very clear that Muslims were not welcome at that beach.neon_flux601 wrote:
the riots were the unfortunate reaction to some young men 'of middle eastern extraction' beating up a lifeguard...Bubbalo wrote:
Yes, because the reverse never happens. The Cronulla Riots were actually a misinterpreted attempt to welcome Muslims.
.....bubbalo say that 2 the life guard that got the shit kicked out of him
Ok, fine, you excuse the behaviour of the rioters to the innocent public transport passenger they nearly killed, or the ambulance officers who had rocks thrown at them for doing their job.
Exactly, they harm inocent people, who are only doing their job, what if one-day we has 20 cousins, brothers and homies backing us, that would be a different story wouldnt it? then we would be th ones in the wrong becauase it would be a racial attack, the laws in this country are more in favour to them, the minorities actulally have more powerBubbalo wrote:
Ok, fine, you excuse the behaviour of the rioters to the innocent public transport passenger they nearly killed, or the ambulance officers who had rocks thrown at them for doing their job.
Yes, the government favours Muslims. Which is why John Howard described a violent mob as acting "loutishly".
Muslims? All Muslims? Or just the clowns that started this whole affair?Bubbalo wrote:
Which, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that it was made very clear that Muslims were not welcome at that beach.
That group of men were welcome before they started harassing and intimidating beachgoers.
Then every single person fitting their description (gotta love the media's grossly generalised catch cry of 'middle eastern descent') got tarred with the same brush...
If you're going to blame someone for what got out of hand blame our pissweak police force that is more interested in revenue than it is in keeping the peace.
Blame the radio shock jocks and the newspapers for their sensationalist attitudes to what played out.
But don't tell me that Cronulla wasn't a flashpoint. Don't tell me that Cronulla wasn't an escalation of fear and violence, because I remember feeling what you were probably watching on the news, and things changed in Sydney that day.
Advice: Tune Sarcasm Detector.neon_flux601 wrote:
Muslims? All Muslims? Or just the clowns that started this whole affair?Bubbalo wrote:
Which, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that it was made very clear that Muslims were not welcome at that beach.
That group of men were welcome before they started harassing and intimidating beachgoers.
Then every single person fitting their description (gotta love the media's grossly generalised catch cry of 'middle eastern descent') got tarred with the same brush...
If you're going to blame someone for what got out of hand blame our pissweak police force that is more interested in revenue than it is in keeping the peace.
Blame the radio shock jocks and the newspapers for their sensationalist attitudes to what played out.
But don't tell me that Cronulla wasn't a flashpoint. Don't tell me that Cronulla wasn't an escalation of fear and violence, because I remember feeling what you were probably watching on the news, and things changed in Sydney that day.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Obviously they should be restored to their ancestral home, we did it for the jews.ATG wrote:
Hmmn...then I found this:
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/stories/s790151.htm
In Australia
The history of Islam in Australia pre-dates European settlement. From 1650, Muslim fisherman from South East Asia communicated and traded with Aborigines from Australia's north. Some inter-marriage occurred. In the 1860s, some 3000 camel drivers - with camels - came from Afghanistan and the Indian sub-continent. This group contributed to the exploration of the Australian outback, working on both the railway line between Port Augusta and Alice Springs, and the Overland Telegraph Line from Adelaide to Darwin, which connected Australia to London via India.
Bashing lifeguards and stoning ambulance drivers is wrong. They're there to save lives, nothing more.
Right.............so, basically, blame everyone but the people running around bashing people up?neon_flux601 wrote:
Muslims? All Muslims? Or just the clowns that started this whole affair?Bubbalo wrote:
Which, of course, has nothing to do with the fact that it was made very clear that Muslims were not welcome at that beach.
That group of men were welcome before they started harassing and intimidating beachgoers.
Then every single person fitting their description (gotta love the media's grossly generalised catch cry of 'middle eastern descent') got tarred with the same brush...
If you're going to blame someone for what got out of hand blame our pissweak police force that is more interested in revenue than it is in keeping the peace.
Blame the radio shock jocks and the newspapers for their sensationalist attitudes to what played out.
But don't tell me that Cronulla wasn't a flashpoint. Don't tell me that Cronulla wasn't an escalation of fear and violence, because I remember feeling what you were probably watching on the news, and things changed in Sydney that day.
WHat is the one main reason that thinking people in Western countries are concerned about Muslims??
Terrorism - almost all current terror attacks are being perpetrated by Muslim radicals. The old guard (Red Army & IRA, others like ANC & SWAPO etc) have all stopped a long time ago.
Islam is the only religion that can claim to be encouraged by their holy writings - with such promises as 70 virgins waiting for them in paradise if they kill a Jew or a Christian. according to what I remember from the plethora of interviews following 9/11.
so what to do??? moderate Muslims could dob in a radical to the police. responsible adults could report the names of rapists that are in hiding from the police etc etc etc. The onus is on the ethnic minorities to fit into Australian society.
Terrorism - almost all current terror attacks are being perpetrated by Muslim radicals. The old guard (Red Army & IRA, others like ANC & SWAPO etc) have all stopped a long time ago.
Islam is the only religion that can claim to be encouraged by their holy writings - with such promises as 70 virgins waiting for them in paradise if they kill a Jew or a Christian. according to what I remember from the plethora of interviews following 9/11.
so what to do??? moderate Muslims could dob in a radical to the police. responsible adults could report the names of rapists that are in hiding from the police etc etc etc. The onus is on the ethnic minorities to fit into Australian society.
Are you sure about that? Are you absolutely sure that those post 9/11 interviews were accurate and not twisted?I_SUCK_999 wrote:
WHat is the one main reason that thinking people in Western countries are concerned about Muslims??
Terrorism - almost all current terror attacks are being perpetrated by Muslim radicals. The old guard (Red Army & IRA, others like ANC & SWAPO etc) have all stopped a long time ago.
Islam is the only religion that can claim to be encouraged by their holy writings - with such promises as 70 virgins waiting for them in paradise if they kill a Jew or a Christian. according to what I remember from the plethora of interviews following 9/11.
so what to do??? moderate Muslims could dob in a radical to the police. responsible adults could report the names of rapists that are in hiding from the police etc etc etc. The onus is on the ethnic minorities to fit into Australian society.
The problem is that Australian society is defined by what it isn't - not what it is. Very similar to how German society was defined in the 30's...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
In that case let us set up British courts that apply British law to any ex-pat living there (or the United States for that matter), afterall we owned those countries first.ATG wrote:
Remember this story from 2005?
http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/australia.asp
Only in n Australia ???
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia : one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia la and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.
Hmmn...then I found this:
http://www.abc.net.au/religion/stories/s790151.htm
In Australia
The history of Islam in Australia pre-dates European settlement. From 1650, Muslim fisherman from South East Asia communicated and traded with Aborigines from Australia's north. Some inter-marriage occurred. In the 1860s, some 3000 camel drivers - with camels - came from Afghanistan and the Indian sub-continent. This group contributed to the exploration of the Australian outback, working on both the railway line between Port Augusta and Alice Springs, and the Overland Telegraph Line from Adelaide to Darwin, which connected Australia to London via India.
So, it would seem perhaps there is a case to be made that Islamic courts should be established in Australia.
After all, they were there first, right?
Except that they were commanded to protect peoples of the book..........................I_SUCK_999 wrote:
with such promises as 70 virgins waiting for them in paradise if they kill a Jew or a Christian.