blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7152|Little Rock, Arkansas
This is the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a … ge_id=1811

I have quoted the article below. The colors are mine, and they are addressed below, in the same color.

Stupid UK Newspaper wrote:

Despite repeated school shootings, it is still ridiculously easy to obtain a gun in the US.   

Anyone aged over 18 and without a criminal conviction can legally buy a rifle or shotgun.   

Under US Federal Law only those aged over 21 can buy a handgun. 

The process often takes less than half an hour and requires a simple background check.   

Unlike the UK, gun owners are not required to store their weapons in a locked safe and there is no limit on the number of weapons they are allowed.   

Even though the Columbine school massacre in 1999 led to a partial ban on automatic weapons, many states - including Virginia - still allow the sale of such lethal weapons.

According to a anti-gun group the state of Virginia has some of the weakest laws in the nation.   

They were awarded a C grade by the Brady Campaign, the leading organisation aimed at combating gun violence in America, which rates the toughest laws as an A grade.   

In Virginia not only are purchasers allowed to buy a gun a month if they wish, but there is no restriction on the type of weapon that is available.     

AK-47 assault rifles and Uzi sub machine guns can be bought legally over the counter. Gun buyers must undergo a computerised background and this often takes place on the spot.   

Some states do require a three day "cooling off" period while detailed checks are carried out to see if the buyer has a criminal record.   Most checks are carried out at a state level, although the more detailed checks use the FBI criminal database.   Anyone with a criminal conviction is automatically barred from buying a firearm.   Last year in Virginia 2,568 gun buyers failed criminal background checks.   However, there is nothing to stop those who failed the criminal checks from buying weapons from a private dealer.

In Virginia there is no state requirement that any checks be carried out on people buying guns at gun shows or from a private individual.   Gun shows can operate on a "no questions asked, cash-and-carry" basis, making it easy for criminals and even juveniles to buy as many guns as they want at gun shows, including assault weapons.   No records are required to be kept on gun show sales by private individuals or gun collectors, making it almost impossible for police to trace such weapons if they are used in a crime.   

There is also no state requirement that gun owners register their firearms. Police do not know how many guns are in Virginia or who has them.   The lack of registration data makes it more difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for their weapons.   The degree of control varies from state to state.   

California has limited gun sales to one firearm per customer per month and outlawed some assault weapons according to their characteristics rather than the make and model.   Illinois now requires owners to lock away firearms and fit child safety locks.   The American Constitution, which sets out the country's rights and freedoms, says people are allowed to "keep and bear arms". This has deterred lawmakers from enforcing gun control and they often face opposition from the influential National Rifle Association.   The NRA insists Americans have the right to bear arms.
First and foremost, we'll start with the whole machine gun thing. This is one that really pisses me off. The sale and possession of automatic weapons has been highly regulated and tracked since June 26, 1934. The process you have to go through to legally obtain a Title II weapon (a category that includes automatic weapons, sawed off shotguns and rifles, silencers/suppressors, and destructive devices) is thorough, difficult, and time consuming. You have to pay a special fee, pass an exhaustive background check, get the permission of the ATF, your county sheriff, and the local police chief, submit an application with fingerprints and a photograph, and register the weapon with the ATF. The weapon can never be out of your indirect possession. If you let someone else shoot it, you have to be there with it. Not to mention, the importation and manufacture of automatic weapons is limited to that required for military and LEO use, so the pool of weapons is small and getting smaller, thereby driving up price. All told, to legally buy a machine gun in the US, you can expect to spend somewhere in the neighborhood of $10,000 to $15,000 on the low end.

Yes, it is technically possible to possess an automatic weapon. This article, however, suggests that it is easy. And that's textbook irresponsible journalism.


An AK-47 and an Uzi are both examples of automatic weapons. They cannot be bough over the counter. Now, that's not to say that a knockoff that is semi-automatic isn't legal. It is. But by using what I'll call "scare words," the author is obfusciating a point that should have been made clear. Again, bad journalism. It's a case of a UK paper reporting an editorial as fact.

This is just wrong. The required check is with the NCIC computer system, which is the federal database. Some state's also require checking the state database as well. Mine does not.

The problem here is that the author makes it sound like a private dealer is someone legitimate. Anyone in the firearms business is licensed by the ATF, and therefore required to perform a background check. The "private dealer" he refers to is what we call here in the states a "criminal." Someone who is illegally selling weapons. You can pass a law that makes him do a background check. As he's already breaking a solid 6 or 7 federal laws as it is, what's another one?

Ah, yes. Gun shows. The poster child of the anti-gun lobby. An example of everything that's wrong with gun control in America.

I have bad news for you guys. I went to a gun show a couple of months ago. You know how many of the dealers there weren't licensed by the ATF? One. It was some dude who had inherited his grandfather's rifle collection, and was selling it off to pay off his morgage. There were probably 40 or 50 booths there selling firearms, and of those, only one was not licensed, and therfore didn't have to perform a background check.

As an interesting note, the entire passage I hilighted in yellow was lifted verbatim from the brady campaign's website. Check it our for yourself. How's that for responsible journalism? Who doesn't love a guy so lazy he can't even rearrange their words? And here's another "here in the states:" We call that plagarism, and look very poorly upon it.


You know what kills me? I actually agree with some of the tenets of the Brady Campaign. I believe very strongly in cracking down on illegal gun transactions and criminal dealers. Now, I don't think that their methods will work worth a shit, but it's a noble goal.

I guess that's it for my rant for the moment.

Discuss.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7012
Nice catch.  Why the UK cares enough to write an editorial about US internal policy such as that is beyond me, though.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6736
It's the Daily Mail. Nobody actually believes anything they say any more.

From Wiki

""Daily Mail reader" has become something of a phrase in its own right in the UK. The stereotypical Daily Mail reader is characterised as an insular, stupid, slightly racist, homophobic, aspiring middle-class, closet Nazi, conservative who lacks the intelligence to read the broadsheet equivalent the Daily Telegraph."
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|7006
The stories written in the national newspapers here in Ireland about the company I work for are always riddled with inaccuracies. It gives me first hand confirmation of the fact that the news media often doesn't have a fucking clue what it's talking about.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7078|IRELAND

Daily Mail is a mildly Nazi paper.

As I was watching this unfold on the TV yesterday one particular image was flashed continuously on News reports on Sky & ITV . I counted 8 showings of the same 3 second clip in 1min and I must have seen the same clip a hundred times. A very over weight police man running/wobbling with a m-16 in one hand and holding up his pants/trousers with the other. Any other UK views notice this?

Then when I watch Channel 4 news the clip was only shown once among loads of other clips of 'normal' sized police carrying out their duty. Made me think that their was some kind of ulterior motive. As if to suggest that all the police are over weight and maybe that's why so many were killed, maybe fitter police would have stopped him quicker? Not my thoughts but I feel they were being planted in the Spoon feed Sun/Star readers Sky News watching hoards minds for them.
Just a thought. (I fuckin h8 the media I mentioned)
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6979|Global Command
Virginia has lax gun laws. It varies state by state.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7099

I'm just surprised it didn't blame brown people for this really. Nice try attempting to make British news looked biased though; the average person who reads that has the intelligence of a duck.
Switch
Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6914|Tyne & Wear, England

PureFodder wrote:

It's the Daily Mail. Nobody actually believes anything they say any more.

From Wiki

""Daily Mail reader" has become something of a phrase in its own right in the UK. The stereotypical Daily Mail reader is characterised as an insular, stupid, slightly racist, homophobic, aspiring middle-class, closet Nazi, conservative who lacks the intelligence to read the broadsheet equivalent the Daily Telegraph."
LOL coming from someone quoting Wikipedia, thats rich.
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=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|7001|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth
As much as I despide the Daily Mail I feel I have to defend them here.  The point the OP has missed is that the article is predomintantly refering to Virginia State Laws.  The OP seems to have replied by stating the avreage US law.  I followed your advice and checked out the Brady Campaign website and I actually think the Daily Mail painted a nicer picture than the reality.  OK so this is from the aforementioned website but it's the FACTS I'm interested in.  If any of these are factually incorrect then please let us know.



VIRGINIA STATE LAWS

Anti-Trafficking
Is there a one-handgun-per-month limit on gun sales?
   
Yes 
   
Assault Weapons
Are there limitations on assault weapons and magazines?
   
No 

Attorney General Regulations
May Attorney General regulate guns?
   
No 
   
Background Check At State Level
Do state police perform a background check in addition to federal NICS check?
   
Yes 

Ballistic Fingerprinting
Must handguns be ballistic fingerprinted prior to sale?
   
No 
   
CCW Limits
May police limit carrying concealed handguns?
   
No 

Child Access Prevention - CAP
Are gun owners held accountable for leaving guns accessible to kids?
   
Yes 
   
Child-Safety Locks
Must locking devices be sold with guns?
   
No 

Gun Manufacturer Accountability
Do cities have authority to hold gun makers legally liable?
   
No 
   
Gun Show Checks
Are background checks required at gun shows?
   
No 

Juvenile Possession
Are minors restricted from possessing guns?
   
Partial 
   
Juvenile Sale
Is it illegal to sell guns to kids?
   
Partial 

License or Permit to Purchase
Is a license/permit required to buy handguns?
   
No 
   
Local Gun Laws - Preemption
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's?
   
No 

Record Keeping
May police maintain gun sale records?
   
Partial 
   
Registration
Are all guns registered with law enforcement?
   
No 

Safety Standards
Are there consumer safety standards on guns?
   
No 
   
Safety Training
Is safety training required for handgun buyers?
   
No 

Saturday Night Specials
Are there limitations on 'junk' handguns?
   
No 
   
School Zones
Is it illegal for CCW permit holders to carry guns into schools?
   
Yes 

Secondary Sales
Are background checks required on 'private' gun sales?
   
No 
   
Waiting Period
Is there a waiting period on gun sales?
   
No

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