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2007-04-20 03:34:35
ZamoII
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bigdroo wrote:

ZamoII wrote:

Psycho wrote:

If the US had been colonized by a Middle Eastern country then England would be part of the Germaic Republic.
hmmm i this this statement is a good example of american stupidity. i dont think the raf was american... and correct me if im wrong asswipe, the germans couldnt invade england, because of the raf... get your facts right.
This is purely for ZamoII since he can't let it go...

Who supplied the RAF? British factories? Sure. Mostly. Who supplied those factories? Who? Who was it? Hello? Crack open A HISTORY BOOK WILL YAH?!?!? Yes, the Americans did save your ass. You just can't tolerate an American telling you that. You're lucky that you live in a country where you actually have the freedom to hear that.

Now no one is saying that the RAF didn't play a major role, Lancasters were an enormous help in bombing Germany, but even their numbers were dwarfed by the number of B-17's and B-24's that were used by the Americans. What planes frequently flew in escort with those bombers? P-51's. Those were also American planes. Furthermore, how many RAF bombers were used in bombing Japan? How many? Were those British B-29's? Hello? Anyone home?

What really brought the Axis powers to their knees was bombing. Particularly FIRE-BOMBING. Far more civilian lives were lost from fire-bombing than from the two US Atom Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That is what really broke Germany's morale and eliminated Japan's ability to manufacture - ANYTHING. When you can't stop the unending lines of B-17's (an example) rolling over your skies exterminating your cities at will, what's the point in continuing to fight?

Now with all of that said, did the United States win World War II on their own? No. Could they have? No. The golden question is, could the REST of the Allies have defeated the Axis powers without any help whatsoever from the United States?

No.

Get over it.
yeah dont forget, the p51 sucked without a BRITISH engine in it

your a typical gung ho american cowboy arent you, first instinct, it moves, lets kill it. your such a young country, you know why american film makers copy other countries history and re-write it? because you have none of ur own.... u-571 as a prime example. im talking about the battle of britain, something only a handful of americans were in, 1940? oh wait? you werent in the war then, you people thought nobody could attack the mighty america, were invincible. guess again asswipe. i hate the japenese for what they did at pearl harbor dont get me wrong mate were all on the same side, but, i just dont like how every american i meet says they saved our ass. we couda held out, and defended our country, but to be fair we needed u guys for normandy, you did help i know, shear manpower and tanks, you gotta love it
2007-04-20 03:45:46
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|7000|CH/BR - in UK

lowing wrote:

konfusion wrote:

ZamoII wrote:


yes we can see rapid advances in all muslim technology. you hear about the latest gadget? exploding humans. very technological. i know how to put them right back to the stone age, instead of buyin all their oil, use that money to research another fuel (yes far away, or is it?) then no1 needs their oil, perfect, no income for them.
Great fucking job stereotyping again.

-konfusion
By everyone's own admittance, we can not tell the terrorists from the civilians in this war. They all dress like civilians. In fact, they use this tactic for specifically that reason.  They are sabotaging children, to blow up troops that walk up to help them. Personally, I have no problem suspecting EVERYONE that dresses the part until it is proven that he/she is a good guy and NOT wearing a vest. DO you mind if we allow ourselves the right to err on the side of caution to protect ourselves? It has already been proven that TRUST has been used against us countless times. Stereotype them!!, If it saves lives to hurt their feelings or insult them, tough shit.
So you're saying I can stereotype all Americans as stupid, as the majority of the ones I argue with have nothing good to say, thus saving time discussing with the idiots among them? Yes? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

-konfusion
2007-04-20 03:51:16
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7101|USA

konfusion wrote:

lowing wrote:

konfusion wrote:


Great fucking job stereotyping again.

-konfusion
By everyone's own admittance, we can not tell the terrorists from the civilians in this war. They all dress like civilians. In fact, they use this tactic for specifically that reason.  They are sabotaging children, to blow up troops that walk up to help them. Personally, I have no problem suspecting EVERYONE that dresses the part until it is proven that he/she is a good guy and NOT wearing a vest. DO you mind if we allow ourselves the right to err on the side of caution to protect ourselves? It has already been proven that TRUST has been used against us countless times. Stereotype them!!, If it saves lives to hurt their feelings or insult them, tough shit.
So you're saying I can stereotype all Americans as stupid, as the majority of the ones I argue with have nothing good to say, thus saving time discussing with the idiots among them? Yes? Because that's what it sounds like you're saying.

-konfusion
Sure, if that is how you see us, that might be the right thing to do for you. See, I agree with you, most of us Americans are stupid, arrogant and think the sun rises and sets in our asses. This is a stereotype that I feel is earned as well. I have done my share of traveling, now, soon to the ME. Americans for the most part are sheltered from the chaos of the world and therefore ignorant to it. Most of us would rather have it that way.
2007-04-20 04:20:31
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7215|Dallas
What if the US had been colonised by Muslims?

I would have 14 wives.

EDIT: And none of them would give me any shit.

Last edited by Cougar (2007-04-20 04:21:00)

2007-04-20 04:46:41
Ajax_the_Great1
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Cougar wrote:

What if the US had been colonised by Muslims?

I would have 14 wives.

EDIT: And none of them would give me any shit.
Hurray for oppression to women.
2007-04-20 04:56:13
Storgie
how about this thread for whiners
+15|7025|federal way washington
well look at nations that had mosilum missionaries and see how they came out, philipeans, indoneasia are two that come to mind.

for one would there have been a seperation of religion and stage. would the usa be like now, we stole technology from england and germany at the start of the industry periods.

and how would the orginal natives had been treated?

there have been signs of not just viking but asian visits to this continent before columbus
2007-04-20 04:59:42
Cougar
Banned
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Storgie wrote:

there have been signs of not just viking but asian visits to this continent before columbus
I believe we call those people Native Americans.

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Cougar wrote:

What if the US had been colonised by Muslims?

I would have 14 wives.

EDIT: And none of them would give me any shit.
Hurray for oppression to women.
Indeed.  Huzzah we merry band of sexist pigs!
2007-04-20 11:23:04
theelviscerator
Member
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The usa would be an unlivable shithole.

Germany and Japan would have won the 2nd world war.

Too much other stuff to mention.
2007-04-20 11:37:19
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|7000|CH/BR - in UK

theelviscerator wrote:

The usa would be an unlivable shithole.

Germany and Japan would have won the 2nd world war.

Too much other stuff to mention.
How do you know? Maybe if the USA had gone to Muslims, the UK would have had more forces for a World War. Maybe there never would have been one. This was a couple of decades ago - far before WWs.
Furthermore - why would the USA be a shithole?
I sense stereotypes here - tons of them.

-konfusion
2007-04-20 13:26:09
bigdroo
Member
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Yes, tons of stereotypes, because so many of you forget what the Taliban is all about. That's radical ISLAM at its finest, isn't it?

Last edited by bigdroo (2007-04-20 13:27:05)

2007-04-20 13:38:19
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|7000|CH/BR - in UK

bigdroo wrote:

Yes, tons of stereotypes, because so many of you forget what the Taliban is all about. That's radical ISLAM at its finest, isn't it?
So in your opinion, Muslim = radical? Yes? Is that right? Well, then go visit the country. You may or may not be appalled at their views of each other, and the rest of the world, but that's because they have a different media-bias than you do. Instead of having the media show nothing but the shortcomings of the Middle East, they do exactly the opposite - just like most countries, really. Having a different opinion than you does not make a person a radical.

-konfusion
2007-04-20 17:01:27
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6774|New Haven, CT

ZamoII wrote:

bigdroo wrote:

ZamoII wrote:


hmmm i this this statement is a good example of american stupidity. i dont think the raf was american... and correct me if im wrong asswipe, the germans couldnt invade england, because of the raf... get your facts right.
This is purely for ZamoII since he can't let it go...

Who supplied the RAF? British factories? Sure. Mostly. Who supplied those factories? Who? Who was it? Hello? Crack open A HISTORY BOOK WILL YAH?!?!? Yes, the Americans did save your ass. You just can't tolerate an American telling you that. You're lucky that you live in a country where you actually have the freedom to hear that.

Now no one is saying that the RAF didn't play a major role, Lancasters were an enormous help in bombing Germany, but even their numbers were dwarfed by the number of B-17's and B-24's that were used by the Americans. What planes frequently flew in escort with those bombers? P-51's. Those were also American planes. Furthermore, how many RAF bombers were used in bombing Japan? How many? Were those British B-29's? Hello? Anyone home?

What really brought the Axis powers to their knees was bombing. Particularly FIRE-BOMBING. Far more civilian lives were lost from fire-bombing than from the two US Atom Bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That is what really broke Germany's morale and eliminated Japan's ability to manufacture - ANYTHING. When you can't stop the unending lines of B-17's (an example) rolling over your skies exterminating your cities at will, what's the point in continuing to fight?

Now with all of that said, did the United States win World War II on their own? No. Could they have? No. The golden question is, could the REST of the Allies have defeated the Axis powers without any help whatsoever from the United States?

No.

Get over it.
yeah dont forget, the p51 sucked without a BRITISH engine in it

your a typical gung ho american cowboy arent you, first instinct, it moves, lets kill it. your such a young country, you know why american film makers copy other countries history and re-write it? because you have none of ur own.... u-571 as a prime example. im talking about the battle of britain, something only a handful of americans were in, 1940? oh wait? you werent in the war then, you people thought nobody could attack the mighty america, were invincible. guess again asswipe. i hate the japenese for what they did at pearl harbor dont get me wrong mate were all on the same side, but, i just dont like how every american i meet says they saved our ass. we couda held out, and defended our country, but to be fair we needed u guys for normandy, you did help i know, shear manpower and tanks, you gotta love it
The insults serve to prove your argument is meaningless and immature.

Anyways, the British would not have held out in World War II without the U.S. This is because the U.S. saved Russia from being conquered through Lend-Lease. If Germany had conquered Russia, then he could have devoted his entire industrial effort to building a bigger and better air force than the RAF. Then, once the British were beaten in the air, he would have invaded, and the British Isles would be conquered. Very simple.

All of the Allies were integral to winning the war.

U.S.-Industrial might unmatched by the Axis allowed them to support the other countries and survive.

Britain-Distracted Hitler just enough to ensure that 100% of Germany's strength was not used in attacking the Soviet Union. If this was the case, then the Soviets would have fallen anyway, and the war would have been lost.

Soviet Union: Acted as a punching bag to destroy the might of Germany's armies. I don't want to know what would have happened if Hitler could utilized more of his forces in Western Europe, and more in North Africa (You wouldn't either.)
2007-04-20 17:13:01
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

America is a essentially a mish-mash of inherited European cultures and new cultures that have derived from these.  Before, any "Patriots" get at me and tell me how different to us you are and how your colonial past has no relevance to today's America, let me say that all countries are like this.  Yours just happens to be younger than most.  For example, I live in England but I know that the English language is a mish mash of Greek, French, Latin and Germanic languages.

America is mostly Christian because Britain was when it colonised it.  Sorry to offend religious types but common sense tells you that your religion is dictated by the country/family you come from.

With that in mind, I wonder what the World climate today would be like if the Middle East had have colonised America and it was a Muslim country today.  Now, if you presume that they would have made all the same advances as the Europeans-turned Americans over the same time and became as strong financially what do you think the current World issues would be?

This isn't strictly a "would the USA be invading Iraq if they were a Muslim country" question but in terms of everything.  It's quite an interesting thought when you think about it.

Personally, I think that Muslim terrorism wouldn't exist but Christian terrorism might.  I'm not saying, all Islamic terrorists are jealous of Christian USA's wealth but the fact that these so called problem countries in the Middle East are poor and can't dictate World politics like the USA does play a big part.  I think if America was a Muslim country and it helped the Middle East the same way as it does Israel (which almost certainly wouldn't exist either) today, I can't see any of them being as volatile as they are today.

Purely hypothetical but interesting none-the-less.
And what if a monkey came from space and proved gods exsitance? The jump is way too big to actually do something like that. Add in the fact that some muslim clers still think the world is flat and you have yourself a cunundrum.

 

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