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2007-04-21 16:41:53
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7094

sergeriver wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i can answer the first two without a smidgen of sarcasm or cynicism or nonsense.  yes.  i mean, too me it sounds like your saying its completely acceptable for militants  to go on the attack, as long as its israeli blood being spilled.    lame attack?  it aint from lack of effort.
I know you can understand this.  Just think about it for a minute.  I'm not saying that Palestinian extremists throwing rockets to Israel is OK.  I'm saying that Israel should consider things twice before reacting like this.  Nobody got killed.  Why should they kill 6 innocent people?  I'm not supporting extremists, I'm condemning Israel for using the same methods, with far better weapons.
ok, fair enough.  keep in mind though, ive been at the bottom of dozens of lame rocket attacks.   I see what your saying, but in war that shit dont fly.  in a situation like that, one unpunished rocket attack will lead to more frequent attacks.   thats the military mindset.   



would Dr. Martin Luther King or Ghandi be as revered as they are now if they thought might was right? Violence leads to more violent acts.   thats a lesson everyone needs to understand.
2007-04-21 16:43:41
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7207|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


May 15 1948 , Jordan, Palestine, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq.

Your bias to this conflict make you incapable of passing judgment in my opinion. Is it Israel's fault they had poor quality rockets? To say something like Israel is not helping with out a smidgen of condemnation towards the people who actually initiated the attack is very one sided.
No, you are the one incapable to see what Israel has been doing for over 60 years with the US support.  Israel is a terrorist state that killed and kidnapped thousands of innocent people, and yet you have the nerve to tell me they wanted to kick their ass back in 1948.  Of course I'm biased.  Aren't you?  Oh, no you are moderate.  Sorry.
Call it nerve if you want, I call it history and that's all I was showing you.

I have repeatedly said here that Israel needs to give back the land. You see moderates are capable of seeing the middle ground serge. Whereas your first response to me was to assume I sided towards Israel for pointing out what you just admitted to, being biased.

sergeriver wrote:

Is Retaliation the Solution?
It worked for Saddam.
You know I appreciate you, but don't quote historical facts.  This happened today, not 60 friggin years ago.  You are biased too.  There is no such thing as unbias.  Anyone saying he is unbiased is lying.
2007-04-21 16:43:42
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6979|Global Command

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i can answer the first two without a smidgen of sarcasm or cynicism or nonsense.  yes.  i mean, too me it sounds like your saying its completely acceptable for militants  to go on the attack, as long as its israeli blood being spilled.    lame attack?  it aint from lack of effort.
I know you can understand this.  Just think about it for a minute.  I'm not saying that Palestinian extremists throwing rockets to Israel is OK.  I'm saying that Israel should consider things twice before reacting like this.  Nobody got killed.  Why should they kill 6 innocent people?  I'm not supporting extremists, I'm condemning Israel for using the same methods, with far better weapons.
ok, fair enough.  keep in mind though, ive been at the bottom of dozens of lame rocket attacks.   I see what your saying, but in war that shit dont fly.  in a situation like that, one unpunished rocket attack will lead to more frequent attacks.   thats the military mindset.   



would Dr. Martin Luther King or Ghandi be as revered as they are now if they thought might was right? Violence leads to more violent acts.   thats a lesson everyone needs to understand.
QFE   +1
2007-04-21 16:44:21
paranoid101
Ambitious but Rubbish
+540|7190

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i can answer the first two without a smidgen of sarcasm or cynicism or nonsense.  yes.  i mean, too me it sounds like your saying its completely acceptable for militants  to go on the attack, as long as its israeli blood being spilled.    lame attack?  it aint from lack of effort.
I know you can understand this.  Just think about it for a minute.  I'm not saying that Palestinian extremists throwing rockets to Israel is OK.  I'm saying that Israel should consider things twice before reacting like this.  Nobody got killed.  Why should they kill 6 innocent people?  I'm not supporting extremists, I'm condemning Israel for using the same methods, with far better weapons.
ok, fair enough.  keep in mind though, ive been at the bottom of dozens of lame rocket attacks.   I see what your saying, but in war that shit dont fly.  in a situation like that, one unpunished rocket attack will lead to more frequent attacks.   thats the military mindset.   



would Dr. Martin Luther King or Ghandi be as revered as they are now if they thought might was right? Violence leads to more violent acts.   thats a lesson everyone needs to understand.
Agreed one slight show of weakness on Israel's part could lead to big trouble, they have to say don't fuck with us.
2007-04-21 16:44:50
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7207|Argentina

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

i can answer the first two without a smidgen of sarcasm or cynicism or nonsense.  yes.  i mean, too me it sounds like your saying its completely acceptable for militants  to go on the attack, as long as its israeli blood being spilled.    lame attack?  it aint from lack of effort.
I know you can understand this.  Just think about it for a minute.  I'm not saying that Palestinian extremists throwing rockets to Israel is OK.  I'm saying that Israel should consider things twice before reacting like this.  Nobody got killed.  Why should they kill 6 innocent people?  I'm not supporting extremists, I'm condemning Israel for using the same methods, with far better weapons.
ok, fair enough.  keep in mind though, ive been at the bottom of dozens of lame rocket attacks.   I see what your saying, but in war that shit dont fly.  in a situation like that, one unpunished rocket attack will lead to more frequent attacks.   thats the military mindset.   



would Dr. Martin Luther King or Ghandi be as revered as they are now if they thought might was right? Violence leads to more violent acts.   thats a lesson everyone needs to understand.
Even Israel friend.  Everyone.
2007-04-21 16:46:14
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7094

sergeriver wrote:

Even Israel friend.  Everyone.
yes sir.
2007-04-21 16:48:52
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7051|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

No, you are the one incapable to see what Israel has been doing for over 60 years with the US support.  Israel is a terrorist state that killed and kidnapped thousands of innocent people, and yet you have the nerve to tell me they wanted to kick their ass back in 1948.  Of course I'm biased.  Aren't you?  Oh, no you are moderate.  Sorry.
Call it nerve if you want, I call it history and that's all I was showing you.

I have repeatedly said here that Israel needs to give back the land. You see moderates are capable of seeing the middle ground serge. Whereas your first response to me was to assume I sided towards Israel for pointing out what you just admitted to, being biased.

sergeriver wrote:

Is Retaliation the Solution?
It worked for Saddam.
You know I appreciate you, but don't quote historical facts.  This happened today, not 60 friggin years ago.  You are biased too.  There is no such thing as unbias.  Anyone saying he is unbiased is lying.
Now I see where your confusion originates. I was not saying that because what happened 60 years ago justifies todays event. I was responding to your statement insinuating that the Arab states were going to  "sooner or later will see the destruction of this country..". Understand? I was simply saying we have seen them try before.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-04-21 16:50:55
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|7122|Colorado
Israel will never be tolerated by the Arab states & constantly are attacked them.
They have the right to defend themselves, how they are going about it may be the wrong way but they have to do something.
So what your saying is if your neighbor shot up your house or your neighborhood you wouldn't want action taken against them? Pacifists are the victims of the first bully that comes around.
The solution is for the Arab states to stop fucking with Israel or they will have hell to pay, simple.
2007-04-21 17:36:00
san4
The Mas
+311|7138|NYC, a place to live

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Violence leads to more violent acts.   thats a lesson everyone needs to understand.
Although I fully support Israel's right to defend itself in appropriate ways (such as attacking people who attack it, especially when the attackers refuse to accept Israel's existence), it is unlikely that violence will solve the conflict. The U.S. has taken the same approach Israel has--kill your enemies--and I don't think it is an effective long-term strategy for ending the conflict between the U.S. and its enemies.
2007-04-21 17:40:29
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7207|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

No, you are the one incapable to see what Israel has been doing for over 60 years with the US support.  Israel is a terrorist state that killed and kidnapped thousands of innocent people, and yet you have the nerve to tell me they wanted to kick their ass back in 1948.  Of course I'm biased.  Aren't you?  Oh, no you are moderate.  Sorry.
Call it nerve if you want, I call it history and that's all I was showing you.

I have repeatedly said here that Israel needs to give back the land. You see moderates are capable of seeing the middle ground serge. Whereas your first response to me was to assume I sided towards Israel for pointing out what you just admitted to, being biased.


It worked for Saddam.
You know I appreciate you, but don't quote historical facts.  This happened today, not 60 friggin years ago.  You are biased too.  There is no such thing as unbias.  Anyone saying he is unbiased is lying.
Now I see where your confusion originates. I was not saying that because what happened 60 years ago justifies todays event. I was responding to your statement insinuating that the Arab states were going to  "sooner or later will see the destruction of this country..". Understand? I was simply saying we have seen them try before.
10 4.
2007-04-21 23:49:54
BVC
Member
+325|7145
The militants knew either they or others would be bombed if they fired the rockets.  Its happened many times before, they had no excuse.  They still fired the rockets.
2007-04-21 23:51:53
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,074|7222|PNW

The thread should be titled "Is Retaliation a Solution?". Because honestly, life offers far more paths than a "Choose Your Own Adventure" book.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-04-21 23:52:09)

2007-04-22 03:41:08
konfusion
mostly afk
+480|7000|CH/BR - in UK

Miller wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


Didn't they try that already..
What?  Who?
Arab nations trying to destroy Israel. That's what and who.
Followed by Israel annexing tons of Arab land. You really wonder why the Arabs attacked back?

-konfusion
2007-04-22 09:03:20
san4
The Mas
+311|7138|NYC, a place to live

konfusion wrote:

Miller wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

What?  Who?
Arab nations trying to destroy Israel. That's what and who.
Followed by Israel annexing tons of Arab land. You really wonder why the Arabs attacked back?
-konfusion
The Arab-Israeli wars didn't start because Arabs were outraged that Israel annexed land in 1967. The Jews provoked the Arabs in the same way they provoked Hitler. By existing.
2007-04-22 09:38:26
Lisik
Member
+74|6950|Israel
The strike came shortly after rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel
YOU GOT WHAT YOU GIVE
2007-04-22 09:38:30
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7101|USA

sergeriver wrote:

Six Palestinians have been killed in Israeli army raids in the West Bank and an air strike in the Gaza Strip, in the worst flare-up of violence in weeks.  The strike came shortly after rockets were fired from Gaza into southern Israel, slightly injuring two people.

The attacks came after some state-of-the-art rockets slightly injured two people.  Wow, those Palestinians take attacks seriously.  Those rockets are top notch.  They slightly injured two people.  Israel, after this "Genocide", had to punish them, killing 6. 

This is the way Israel deals with things.  Back in 2006 Hezbollah captured two soldiers, and they killed +1000 civilians in retaliation, leaving half of Lebanon destroyed.

If Israel is playing this game, they will never be tolerated by the Arab Nations, and the Middle East sooner or later will see the destruction of this country.  GG Israel.
You gotta be kidding me!! Those rockets could have easily landed on a school. Serge, you are going to pretty wierd measures to defend those animals.

They launched a rocket attack into Israel, and your defense is, "it only hurt 2 people". You just can't bring yourself to admit that they are starting shit again can you??

I promise you if someone shoots up my home, I will not settle for not trying to kill his ass just because he only managed to wound my kids.

Last edited by lowing (2007-04-22 09:58:15)

2007-04-22 09:59:22
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7101|USA

san4 wrote:

konfusion wrote:

Miller wrote:


Arab nations trying to destroy Israel. That's what and who.
Followed by Israel annexing tons of Arab land. You really wonder why the Arabs attacked back?
-konfusion
The Arab-Israeli wars didn't start because Arabs were outraged that Israel annexed land in 1967. The Jews provoked the Arabs in the same way they provoked Hitler. By existing.
amen
already karmaed you today, another in 24 hours for this
2007-04-22 10:15:16
Milk.org
Bringing Sexy Back
+270|7226|UK

davidonbf2 wrote:

I try not to worry about world events that I can not control.
Ignorance is bliss huh? Well knowledge is power and if you dont worry about world events I guess you're sort of in the wrong section of the forum.
2007-04-22 10:22:32
J][gga
Member
+8|7103
all I have to say is... WTF does an Argentinian know about the middle east....???  obviously nothing...

go invade an island or something...
2007-04-22 10:36:40
sgtdude1987
Member
+8|6667|midlands britain
if you asked the people who are suffering i bet they just want it all to stop. its the people at the top with chips on their shoulders causing the problem, we all know it.
retaliation, sometimes, is needed but why should the innocents suffer? killing CIVILIANS with rockets or suicide bombers is an insult to humanity. nothings so important that it requires you to kill, especialy not land or religion
2007-04-22 11:03:39
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7207|Argentina

J][gga wrote:

all I have to say is... WTF does an Argentinian know about the middle east....???  obviously nothing...

go invade an island or something...
Nothing, so please enlighten us with your wisdom.  I asume you live in the ME, coz you know about it.
2007-04-22 11:19:34
Sanjaya
Banned
+40|6677

san4 wrote:

konfusion wrote:

Miller wrote:


Arab nations trying to destroy Israel. That's what and who.
Followed by Israel annexing tons of Arab land. You really wonder why the Arabs attacked back?
-konfusion
The Arab-Israeli wars didn't start because Arabs were outraged that Israel annexed land in 1967. The Jews provoked the Arabs in the same way they provoked Hitler. By existing.
A blissfully ignorant synopsis of the situation, coupled with a demonizing comparison to Hitler. The Neo Con judge gives you a 9.9
2007-04-22 11:35:25
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7207|Argentina

san4 wrote:

konfusion wrote:

Miller wrote:


Arab nations trying to destroy Israel. That's what and who.
Followed by Israel annexing tons of Arab land. You really wonder why the Arabs attacked back?
-konfusion
The Arab-Israeli wars didn't start because Arabs were outraged that Israel annexed land in 1967. The Jews provoked the Arabs in the same way they provoked Hitler. By existing.
Jews did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.  Israel is doing a lot to be hated by its neighbors.  Notice I didn't use the word Jews, coz we need to separate Zionism from Jews.  Most Jews aren't Zionists and they are as innocent as most Palestinians.  Extremists, from both sides are making this an endless conflict.  And you are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel annexed that land back in 1967, forget about 1948.  You are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel does control the OT, oppressing and humiliating Palestine.
2007-04-22 11:49:07
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7101|USA

sergeriver wrote:

san4 wrote:

konfusion wrote:


Followed by Israel annexing tons of Arab land. You really wonder why the Arabs attacked back?
-konfusion
The Arab-Israeli wars didn't start because Arabs were outraged that Israel annexed land in 1967. The Jews provoked the Arabs in the same way they provoked Hitler. By existing.
Jews did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.  Israel is doing a lot to be hated by its neighbors.  Notice I didn't use the word Jews, coz we need to separate Zionism from Jews.  Most Jews aren't Zionists and they are as innocent as most Palestinians.  Extremists, from both sides are making this an endless conflict.  And you are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel annexed that land back in 1967, forget about 1948.  You are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel does control the OT, oppressing and humiliating Palestine.
Israel didn't ANNEX shit!!..The fuckin Arabs lost the land AFTER they started a war with Israel and got their asses kicked in a week. Just like in Europe, to the victors goes the spoils of war. Get it right Serge.
2007-04-22 11:55:47
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7207|Argentina

lowing wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

san4 wrote:


The Arab-Israeli wars didn't start because Arabs were outraged that Israel annexed land in 1967. The Jews provoked the Arabs in the same way they provoked Hitler. By existing.
Jews did nothing to deserve the Holocaust.  Israel is doing a lot to be hated by its neighbors.  Notice I didn't use the word Jews, coz we need to separate Zionism from Jews.  Most Jews aren't Zionists and they are as innocent as most Palestinians.  Extremists, from both sides are making this an endless conflict.  And you are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel annexed that land back in 1967, forget about 1948.  You are missing a huge point by ignoring the fact Israel does control the OT, oppressing and humiliating Palestine.
Israel didn't ANNEX shit!!..The fuckin Arabs lost the land AFTER they started a war with Israel and got their asses kicked in a week. Just like in Europe, to the victors goes the spoils of war. Get it right Serge.
Didn't Israel annex shit, are you sure?

The Six-Day War was fought between Israel and its Arab neighbours of Egypt, Jordan, and Syria with Iraq.  In June 1967, Israel launched a pre-emptive attack on Egypt's airforce fearing an imminent invasion by Egypt.  At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Gaza Strip, the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank, and the Golan Heights. The results of the war affect the geopolitics of the region to this day.

 

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