BF2S Forums Which Party is Responsible for America's Deadliest Wars?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

actually, it is 100% without a doubt the Democrats.  Civil War -Deadliest. not to mention WW1, WW2,  Korea and Vietnam.

Shhhhhhh, let 'em watch the video.

Pretty cool site.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

WW1, a war the United States had no need to enter.   who would would you give responsibility to America involvement in that conflict,  other than the military-industrial lobby, whom are responsible for it all in the long wrong.

The Germans were sinking our ships and trying to get Mexico against us. They were expecting war eventually with us, so we gave it to them.

sergeriver wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

WW1, a war the United States had no need to enter.   who would would you give responsibility to America involvement in that conflict,  other than the military-industrial lobby, whom are responsible for it all in the long wrong.

The Germans were sinking our ships and trying to get Mexico against us. They were expecting war eventually with us, so we gave it to them.

But someone took the decision.

Perhaps, but in situations like the Civil War and World War II the decision was thrust upon them. Obviously after Ft. Sumter or Pearl Harbor somebody was going to get their ass kicked.

UGADawgs wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

WW1, a war the United States had no need to enter.   who would would you give responsibility to America involvement in that conflict,  other than the military-industrial lobby, whom are responsible for it all in the long wrong.

The Germans were sinking our ships and trying to get Mexico against us. They were expecting war eventually with us, so we gave it to them.

I disagree my brother.  as a matter of fact, up until the lusitania sinking, American opinion on the two beligerent sides was pretty split down the line.  and the zimmerman telegraph of which you are describing mexican involvement wasnt an open inivitation for war on the side of germany.  it was a "What if the US went to war with us, you should have a back"  kinda deal.

and the democrats are 100% responsbile for the civil war, no question about it.

fadedsteve wrote:

UGADawgs wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

WW1, a war the United States had no need to enter.   who would would you give responsibility to America involvement in that conflict,  other than the military-industrial lobby, whom are responsible for it all in the long wrong.

The Germans were sinking our ships and trying to get Mexico against us. They were expecting war eventually with us, so we gave it to them.

Hmmmm. . . . very interesting parallel!

So on that note. . . .Iran has attacked our troops, is supplying terrorists with IEDS, training, funds etc, taken our allies soldiers hostage, and is in active pursuit of the deadliest bomb known to man. . . . .Not too mention bringing countries like Lebannon and Syria further against us. . . .

very interesting. . . .

Should we attack, or have we already been attacked?

Iran isn't engaged in a massive war with our allies, and even if we wanted to, we hardly have the capability for an invasion of Iran.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

just perused the site, i got issues with it.  how the hell can you blame the republicans for the civil war?  how can you consider the salvadorean civil war an american conflict when the nicaraguan civil war had MORE american involvement and was much bloodier and wasnt even added.   this site is skewed

The Dems won the kill count, so I wouldn't say it was that skewed. It's probably based on who was in power at the time.

im talking about the innacuracie of the site.  it states that the salvadorean civil war  had American involvement.  true or not, to mention that conflict and not mention the nicaraguan civil war which had large amounts of american involvement.  and way more casualites.  the author of the site is either mistaken and confusing the salvadorean war with the nicraguan one (it showed the year of 1979, the year Somoza was defeated) or just dont know shit.  either way, it kind of discredits the facts given, at least in my book.  I know a lot about the nicaraguan civil war.  my father was a soldier for the national guard (the losers) and if it wasnt for American involvement in that conflict, my father wouldnt have ever been offered asylum in the United States and i would never have been born.


this site lost its credability due to the inaccuracy of the claims made.

The site mentions the wars with American casualties.  I searched in another site and found this:

Numbers of Americans Killed/Wounded, by Action

The Sandinista period does not show American casualties.  But I don't know if this is accurate enough.  I just wanted to provide more info.

Another HUGE flaw is that it may tag political parties, but it forgets that the "Democrats" were the party of conservative Southern values up until Kennedy's time.  It wasn't until the reform of the Republicans in 1912 that it was even positioned to the left of the Republican party (but was still center-right).  It did start to fraction in FDR's time with the "New Deal" progressive policies, and finally saw the defection of the racists during the civil rights movement in the 1960's to the Republican party.

The "Republicans" started in 1854 as the anti-slavery abolitionist progressives!  It remained progressive (librul!) until Teddy Roosevelt's time, where in the 1920's it reverted to its pro-business platform with libertarian values that finally died with Reagan.  It wasn't until the late 70's that it started to push further right with the marriage to the conservative religious agenda.  In 2001 with the complete takeover of the neo-conservatives in party leadership it became solidly far-right, almost completely fore-going its libertarian principles of fiscal responsibility in favor of dominionism and government expansion (neo-liberalism).

As much as people want to re-write history, the modern dynamic of a far-right wing Republican party and a center-right Democratic party has not always been the case, not even in the last 20 years.  The values and principles of each party (and where they're at on the wholly inadequate left-right scale) changes with the times, sometimes completely flipping.

I wouldn't classify WWII or Korea as wars started by the US...and many of those weren't even "wars" (Iran Hostage rescue?, Interventions in Haiti?, Russian Expedition?), more like police actions.

EDIT: Also, the big jump has less to do with the american political system and more to do with increases in technology that make killing more efficient.

Last edited by Masques (2007-04-22 15:22:59)

it was democrats that pulled the primer in south carolina april 12th, 1861.  early in the morning, the sun wasnt even out.

tnt_dynamite wrote:

Give me a break. The one thing that this applet doesnt take into account is the nescessity of entering the war. I think we can all agree that WWII was one of the most important wars and just because it happened during a democratic presidency doesnt make it wrong. All of this is bullshit.

Nowhere it says it was wrong.