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2007-04-23 09:48:35

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7005

The British have had to put up with terrorism in the form of IRA car bombs, etc. for decades. These occurred in ordinary cities on a regular basis. Do you really think they're ready to shit their pants because of some scaremongering MI5 'top secret' (lol) paper? Generally sensible governments don't release vague scare-stories that might panic citizens unnecessarily. That's why this stinks of propaganda. If they could detail a highly specific threat that people could act upon then that would be understandable.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-23 09:49:07)

2007-04-23 09:49:15

DooM: Member; +28|6757

Thats another thing, why won't US or UK or whatever do something about North Korea? Kim Jong is deemed mad and already has a Nukelear arsenal. What is to stop him doing what Hitler did? waited for a distration, UK and US focused on Iraq, middle east etc. Then he can create his powerful army and end up nukeing everywhere. Alough that might not happen they should do something before he does do something.

2007-04-23 09:51:56

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7051|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:
The British have had to put up with terrorism in the form of IRA car bombs, etc. for decades. These occurred in ordinary cities on a regular basis. Do you really think they're ready to shit their pants because of some scaremongering MI5 'top secret' (lol) paper? Generally sensible governments don't release vague scare-stories that might panic citizens unnecessarily. That's why this stinks of propaganda. If they could detail a highly specific threat that people could act upon then that would be understandable.

It wasn't released, it was leaked. Intentionally or not I don't know.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-04-23 09:55:08

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7031|SE London

Kmarion wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
The British have had to put up with terrorism in the form of IRA car bombs, etc. for decades. These occurred in ordinary cities on a regular basis. Do you really think they're ready to shit their pants because of some scaremongering MI5 'top secret' (lol) paper? Generally sensible governments don't release vague scare-stories that might panic citizens unnecessarily. That's why this stinks of propaganda. If they could detail a highly specific threat that people could act upon then that would be understandable.
It wasn't released, it was leaked. Intentionally or not I don't know.

Things don't get leaked unintentionally from security services.

2007-04-23 09:55:15

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7099

Kmarion wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
The British have had to put up with terrorism in the form of IRA car bombs, etc. for decades. These occurred in ordinary cities on a regular basis. Do you really think they're ready to shit their pants because of some scaremongering MI5 'top secret' (lol) paper? Generally sensible governments don't release vague scare-stories that might panic citizens unnecessarily. That's why this stinks of propaganda. If they could detail a highly specific threat that people could act upon then that would be understandable.
It wasn't released, it was leaked. Intentionally or not I don't know.

Leaking is almost always intentional.

2007-04-23 09:55:31

stkhoplite: Banned; +564|6929|Sheffield-England

jsnipy wrote:
A nuke will go off in western country sooner or later. Surely I'm concerned, but not fearful.

WERE ALL GNA DIEE!!! well.... us Brits anyway....

2007-04-23 09:55:47

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7260|Nårvei

CameronPoe wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
If they get a Nuke, it's gonna be from either Pakistan or Russia. But now N.Korea have nukes, so they might give one to AQ. And if Iran gets nukes....well, we're boned either way. We just have to put our faith in the Governments in question that they won't fuck up. I'm pretty sure Pakistan and Russia have already done loads of shady deals regarding to Nukes though.
Iran aren't going to be nuking anyone except for, if they're really stupid, Israel.

Last "expert" i heard from said Iran was atleast 5 years away from a functional bomb !

I think the chance of a middle-eastern country using a atmoic weapon is close to zero, however an terrorist act involving a "dirty" bomb is much more likely even though i think that`s an farfetched idea as well !

And doesn`t all the junk in space monitor every little nuclear plant there is, slim chance of AQ to obtain such a deal ?

Wait behind the line ..............................................................

2007-04-23 09:56:34

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7005

Varegg wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Mekstizzle wrote:
If they get a Nuke, it's gonna be from either Pakistan or Russia. But now N.Korea have nukes, so they might give one to AQ. And if Iran gets nukes....well, we're boned either way. We just have to put our faith in the Governments in question that they won't fuck up. I'm pretty sure Pakistan and Russia have already done loads of shady deals regarding to Nukes though.
Iran aren't going to be nuking anyone except for, if they're really stupid, Israel.
Last "expert" i heard from said Iran was atleast 5 years away from a functional bomb !

I think the chance of a middle-eastern country using a atmoic weapon is close to zero, however an terrorist act involving a "dirty" bomb is much more likely even though i think that`s an farfetched idea as well !

And doesn`t all the junk in space monitor every little nuclear plant there is, slim chance of AQ to obtain such a deal ?

This is the Iraq debacle all over again. When will Bush & Blair learn their fucking lesson. I give it three months before a UN resolution is on the table authorising the use of force.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-04-23 09:57:26)

2007-04-23 09:59:52

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7071|London, England

DooM wrote:
Thats another thing, why won't US or UK or whatever do something about North Korea? Kim Jong is deemed mad and already has a Nukelear arsenal. What is to stop him doing what Hitler did? waited for a distration, UK and US focused on Iraq, middle east etc. Then he can create his powerful army and end up nukeing everywhere. Alough that might not happen they should do something before he does do something.

In this day and age, if they nuked someone. They'll have nukes flying towards their major cities minutes after. It's not like WW2. It will never be like that again (unless the missile was rendered useless by some seriously cool radar and laser beam tech - then nobody would be scared of nukes as they would be easily shot down...and then the shit hits the fan)

Which is why, what's more worrying is the fact that Terrorists (whom have no border or nationality) might get hold of one and detonate it at a major city, but how will you find out who sold the bomb to them?
Sure, it would probably be Russia, Pakistan, N.Korea or Iran. But where would the evidence be? Who's to say that the terrorists didn't somehow manage to get hold of Nukes from more stable (and i use that term kinda lightly) countries like the U.S/U.K/France/India/Israel/China?

You can't Nuke a country unless you have hardcore evidence that they sold nukes to terrorists. Even then, most Western nuclear powers wouldn't nuke a country in that scenario unless said country who sold the nukes openly admitted selling the nukes and praised the terrorists.

Er...i think what i said made sense, alot of rambling on about stuff in that post.

2007-04-23 10:01:22

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7051|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:
Varegg wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:

Iran aren't going to be nuking anyone except for, if they're really stupid, Israel.
Last "expert" i heard from said Iran was atleast 5 years away from a functional bomb !

I think the chance of a middle-eastern country using a atmoic weapon is close to zero, however an terrorist act involving a "dirty" bomb is much more likely even though i think that`s an farfetched idea as well !

And doesn`t all the junk in space monitor every little nuclear plant there is, slim chance of AQ to obtain such a deal ?
This is the Iraq debacle all over again. When will Bush & Blair learn their fucking lesson. I give it three months before a UN resolution is on the table authorising the use of force.

Could be, didn't we get bad intelligence from the Brits prior to the Iraq war? MI5 must be in the business of empowering American republicans.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-04-23 10:02:32

bigdroo: Member; +7|6877|Yooahss-ayy!

Well, if/when Iran is able to build a nuclear weapon, it likely won't be of the small suitcase variety (that's another 15 years off), so it would probably take some doing to get it to its target without anyone noticing.

Most likely scenario would be a stolen nuclear warhead from the former Soviet Union. All it would take is some not-exactly-mind-blowing-intel and a group of (maybe 50) well trained terrorists/mercinaries to steal one. Fewer than that to deliver one. It would be far more portable and far more destructive than anything Iran or N. Korea would be able to come up with.

Security at many of these ex-Soviet installations is frighteningly poor.

As alluded to above, Israel would be a more likely target as it's closer, smaller, and would do the most damage to its existence with one blast. Any wondering why they're so paranoid?

Last edited by bigdroo (2007-04-23 10:06:42)

2007-04-23 10:04:13

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7005

Kmarion wrote:
Could be, didn't we get bad intelligence from the Brits prior to the Iraq war? MI5 must be in the business of empowering American republicans.

So it certainly seems.

2007-04-23 10:17:48

Sanjaya: Banned; +40|6677

I sure hope they don't introduce dentistry. j/k

2007-04-23 10:23:29

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7031|SE London

Kmarion wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Varegg wrote:

Last "expert" i heard from said Iran was atleast 5 years away from a functional bomb !

I think the chance of a middle-eastern country using a atmoic weapon is close to zero, however an terrorist act involving a "dirty" bomb is much more likely even though i think that`s an farfetched idea as well !

And doesn`t all the junk in space monitor every little nuclear plant there is, slim chance of AQ to obtain such a deal ?
This is the Iraq debacle all over again. When will Bush & Blair learn their fucking lesson. I give it three months before a UN resolution is on the table authorising the use of force.
Could be, didn't we get bad intelligence from the Brits prior to the Iraq war? MI5 must be in the business of empowering American republicans.

I don't think that was from MI5. MI5 are the domestic security service. It was MI6 and the Labour government that were responsible for the dodgy intel before Iraq. The only input MI5 would have had would be from their position on the JIC. The British government are very much in the business of empowering the current US administration, whether it be Republican or Democrat.

2007-04-23 10:57:23

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7051|132 and Bush

^^Well, whoever is responsible for this http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp .

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-04-23 11:13:31

topal63: . . .; +533|7168

I found the article quite odd & contradictory.

Headline: Al-Qaeda ‘planning big British attack’

Then therein - it states this:

The report says there is “no indication” this attack would specifically target Britain, …

And on Iran's involvement, it states this:

There is no evidence of a formal relationship between Al-Qaeda, a Sunni group, and the Shi’ite regime of President Mah-moud Ahmadinejad, but experts suggest that Iran’s leaders may be turning a blind eye to the terrorist organization’s activities.

So now a blind-eye - is involvement?

And then there is this strange idea: Hey Al-Qaeda you had better get busy with that War of Terror or loose Street-Cred!

“They [Al-Qaeda] have got to do something soon that is radical otherwise they start losing credibility.”

Last edited by topal63 (2007-04-23 12:19:12)

2007-04-23 11:17:06

Milk.org: Bringing Sexy Back; +270|7226|UK

When are they not planning an attack? Like someone said already if one nuke goes off in the world there would be plenty more following.

2007-04-23 11:29:24

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7207|Argentina

What if they are after this?

Scotland Yard has uncovered evidence that Al-Qaeda has been plotting to bring down the internet in Britain, causing chaos to business and the London Stock Exchange.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-04-23 11:29:48)

2007-04-23 11:36:37

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7031|SE London

Kmarion wrote:
^^Well, whoever is responsible for this http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp .

Ah the September Dossier. That was published by the government, not the intelligence community. It was based on JIC reports, but was highly controversial and basically just made up to fit the demand for intelligence that Saddam had and was seeking to get more WMDs.

It was quite a big thing. The head of the BBC lost his job over it, so did lots of other people. An MoD official also died in suspicious circumstances. It was all very dodgy and was propaganda based rather than being the actual opinion of the intelligence community (some of whom spoke out against the dossier).

2007-04-23 11:46:45

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|7099

sergeriver wrote:
What if they are after this?

Scotland Yard has uncovered evidence that Al-Qaeda has been plotting to bring down the internet in Britain, causing chaos to business and the London Stock Exchange.

Shit! Not my internets! Noooooo!

2007-04-23 11:50:54

crimson_grunt: Shitty Disposition (apparently); +214|7104|Teesside, UK

Bertster7 wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
^^Well, whoever is responsible for this http://www.number10.gov.uk/output/Page275.asp .
Ah the September Dossier. That was published by the government, not the intelligence community. It was based on JIC reports, but was highly controversial and basically just made up to fit the demand for intelligence that Saddam had and was seeking to get more WMDs.

It was quite a big thing. The head of the BBC lost his job over it, so did lots of other people. An MoD official also died in suspicious circumstances. It was all very dodgy and was propaganda based rather than being the actual opinion of the intelligence community (some of whom spoke out against the dossier).

Exactly. AFAIK It was mainly used to try and persuade a reluctant British public to go to war and was not the intelligence that the Americans used when going after Saddam.

2007-04-23 12:08:48

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6987|Long Island, New York

Cougar wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Concerned?
Not really. This "horrible day of terror" has apparently been "only days away from happening" in the U.S. for the past 6 and half years.

Plus the cold war.

2007-04-23 15:17:56

GorillaTicTacs: Member; +231|6823|Kyiv, Ukraine

This is cute. Not only are they finding "Made in Iran" labels on the IED's, now Iran is making a bomb...and handing it to their arch-enemies, a sunni islamic militant sect.

I'm not sure where to begin in how far-fetched this fiction is.

1 - Iran is pretty damned far from making anything useful as a bomb, they can't even make a reactor without a lot of help, much less enrich nuclear material to weapons grade. 5 years someone said, try 10 if Iran was ever really trying.

2 - Iran and Al-Qaeda? This is almost as good as the laughable Al-Qaeda and Saddam links.

3 - This though, is the money statement where this "report" is a complete fake:

The report continues: “Recent reporting has described AQI’s Kurdish network in Iran planning what we believe may be a large-scale attack against a western target.

Ok, let me get this straight...Kurds in Iran, who hate Iranians and have their own rebel groups that are not in any way linked to Al-qaeda, and who are FRIENDLY to western powers (hosting our own SF operatives in Iran), now suddenly want to change their minds, support the Iranians and Sunni extremists at the same time, and blow up something western? Ok, did some checking and found a single propoganda think-tank report that makes this plausible, but until I see some more reliable sources than the same folks who brought us the "yellow cake in Niger", I'm not putting any stock in it.

What's really funny is that this report, from a neo-conservative site, published 5 days ago, seems to say the exact opposite. Al Qaeda in Iraq is currently fractioning and infighting for the moment due to a failed push towards consolidation.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/libra … ferl01.htm
Look, they want war with Iran, they should at least get their story straight.

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2007-04-23 15:19:34)

2007-04-23 15:20:02

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|7143

I'm pretty concerned since I live in NYC, but I'm not afraid.

2007-04-23 15:27:43

David.P: Banned; +649|6724

We dont wait for death by assholes motherfuckers we kill em and make sure they suffer when they die.

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