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2007-04-23 21:10:56
Scorpion0x17
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lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Sorry, I think my posts are relevant to this discussion about who these Iraqi's SHOULD be recognizing. Do you think for one second that these 32 people that got killed can identify with the Iraqi's, or even gave 2 shits about their plight? I can tell you the soldiers that died probably were well aware of what the Iraqi's have to deal with on a day to day basis.
Your posts are totally irrelevant. This discusion is not about what they Iraqi students may or may not think of the soldiers that died. It is about what the Iraqi students think about the shootings at Virginia Tech. Stop trying to make this into something it is not.
Ummmmmm just how much "discussion" are you looking for, if you are not allowed to expand on the FACT that a banner was posted?
You are not expanding on any fact.

You are making unwarranted assumptions about what the students may or may not think of soldiers that have died in their country.

You are trying to turn this into a 'bash the iraqi students' thread.
2007-04-24 02:59:10
lowing
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:


Your posts are totally irrelevant. This discusion is not about what they Iraqi students may or may not think of the soldiers that died. It is about what the Iraqi students think about the shootings at Virginia Tech. Stop trying to make this into something it is not.
Ummmmmm just how much "discussion" are you looking for, if you are not allowed to expand on the FACT that a banner was posted?
You are not expanding on any fact.

You are making unwarranted assumptions about what the students may or may not think of soldiers that have died in their country.

You are trying to turn this into a 'bash the iraqi students' thread.
No I am not bashing anyone. But ya know what, I have no idea WHAT those students think, neither does America or our troops. Maybe THAT is what my probelm is. If they are grateful, show it. If they are not, what are we still doing there?
2007-04-24 03:25:42
=OBS= EstebanRey
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Isn't lowing the guy that says you CAN judge an entire religion for the actions of a few and yet NOT judge all gun owners for what Cho did?
2007-04-24 03:49:44
lowing
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=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Isn't lowing the guy that says you CAN judge an entire religion for the actions of a few and yet NOT judge all gun owners for what Cho did?
Show me where I said that, or retract it. I doubt you will do either one.
2007-04-24 09:11:45
Bertster7
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lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Nope, just risking their lives or giving them up, so the Iraqi's could.

I think that was pretty heartless thing to say by the way.
Students in Baghdad, where universities have been hard hit by violence, said Monday they were saddened by last week's massacre at Virginia Tech and hung up a banner to express their solidarity with "our brothers in humanity and in pursuing knowledge."
i.e. not a banner to express their sorrow for the soldiers risking/giving up their lives.

Why should everything that happens in Iraq be about the war?

Maybe these students are trying to get on with leading a normal life.

Is that not what the troops are meant to be trying to achieve?

Is it not a little churlish to criticise them for this?
I didn't critise them for this, I asked where is the rest of the acknowledgement or recognition that they should be showing.
What? Showing acknowledgement to the US soldiers who died 'for them'? Why should they be doing that? There is a large proportion of the Iraqi population who are not happy the soldiers are there and wish they hadn't come in the first place. Why should they thank a group of people for doing something they did not ask to be done and that many of them believe was not the right course to take? That's just stupid.

(I'm going to try to use an analogy to get my point across - I don't usually like analogies but I've been inspired by the constant string of analogies by Serge.)

Imagine you had a fairly nice flat (apartment for Americans) that you rented from a really terrible landlord, I mean really bad. Nevertheless you quite like your flat, it's pretty nice and more importantly it's home. One day you go out and return to find some other guy has got rid of your nice flat and found you a horrible place to live that you really don't like, but with no strings attached.
It would be quite understandable to be pissed off at the guy who got rid of your flat, especially since in the process of moving all your stuff to the new place he accidentally dropped a piano on your wife, killing her.
2007-04-24 09:15:52
lowing
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Bertster7 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope, just risking their lives or giving them up, so the Iraqi's could.

I think that was pretty heartless thing to say by the way.
i.e. not a banner to express their sorrow for the soldiers risking/giving up their lives.

Why should everything that happens in Iraq be about the war?

Maybe these students are trying to get on with leading a normal life.

Is that not what the troops are meant to be trying to achieve?

Is it not a little churlish to criticise them for this?
I didn't critise them for this, I asked where is the rest of the acknowledgement or recognition that they should be showing.
What? Showing acknowledgement to the US soldiers who died 'for them'? Why should they be doing that? There is a large proportion of the Iraqi population who are not happy the soldiers are there and wish they hadn't come in the first place. Why should they thank a group of people for doing something they did not ask to be done and that many of them believe was not the right course to take? That's just stupid.

(I'm going to try to use an analogy to get my point across - I don't usually like analogies but I've been inspired by the constant string of analogies by Serge.)

Imagine you had a fairly nice flat (apartment for Americans) that you rented from a really terrible landlord, I mean really bad. Nevertheless you quite like your flat, it's pretty nice and more importantly it's home. One day you go out and return to find some other guy has got rid of your nice flat and found you a horrible place to live that you really don't like, but with no strings attached.
It would be quite understandable to be pissed off at the guy who got rid of your flat, especially since in the process of moving all your stuff to the new place he accidentally dropped a piano on your wife, killing her.
well I guess I would.........I mean I prob.........................................huh??!!
2007-04-24 13:58:23
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Iraqi students read text on a banner expressing condolences for the shooting victims of Virginia Tech, USA, on the fence of the Baghdad Technology University, Iraq, Tuesday, April 24, 2007. Universities and academics in Baghdad have been among the hardest hit by the violence plaguing Iraq, but students on one campus still found themselves saddened by last week's massacre at Virginia Tech and hung up a banner to express their condolences. The banner text reads: The Council of Students Union in University of Technology, and the students, condemn the recent criminal act in the Technological Sciences University in Virginia, which murdered a number of students. This is an act we reject as it is a violation of the sanctity of universities throughout the world as a whole. We convey our warmest condolences to the families of the victims who are suffering the same as those of Iraqi universities now. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)
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2007-04-24 20:35:06
logitech487
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I feel there's hope for that country if they have young people who make statements like that . I hope our goverment and the world dosen't leave them without some sort hope for the future

 

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