BF2S Forums marijuana vs. alcohol

sfarrar33 wrote:

i always wondered why Marijuana is illigal and cigs aren't i mean both are addictave and bad for the brain but one of them won't cause various cancers, emphysema, kill others around you, cause you to loose a lung and spend your life tapped up to an oxygen tank, and significantly shorten your life.

You didn't read or you still believe at the ''myth'' like kmal says... Cigs are addictive because there is nicotine in it but there is no nicotine in marijuana(except if you add tobacco in it...). I don't think both, cigarettes and marijuana, are bad for the brain. At least your right on the effects of the cigarettes.

Marijuana is illegal for the reasons that everybody says: tax, easy to grow at home, etc
Alcohol is legal for the same reasons that marijuana is illegal: easy to tax, hard to make

But here is my questions
Why would it be legal in Netherlands if it would affect your brain?

Des.Kmal wrote:

Psych0 wrote:

But here is my questions
Why would it be legal in Netherlands if it would affect your brain?

great point. would like to see a rebuttal to this without dissing the NL.

Are you suggesting that a government would not endorse something that is harmful to its citizens (because that happens all the time).

Are you suggesting that by 'affecting the brain' it causes irrepairable long term brain damage?

Perhaps the Netherlands legalized marijuana to tap into the young counterculture market.

Perhaps the Netherlands realize that certain personal freedoms can and should be legal.

twiistaaa wrote:

i was thinking about this, this morning. and i thought of one thing that is never really said.

alcohol is not just used for getting fucked up. alcohol can be used in cooking, but more so it can be enjoyed for the drink itself. while you could test and taste weed, its not exactly a connoisseur product. its used to get high. while wine, beer and even scotches and other spirits are consumed by people who are actually interested in the product itself and not the drunkenness it makes (although probably an enjoyed byproduct ).

And I am interested in marijuana for the same reasons.  And I cook with it too.  You just grind it up and simmer it in a double boiler with butter until it dissolves into the butter.

Also, part of the reason I enjoy pot is because I like the ritual of smoking it, not just the feelings I associate it with.

I like the song that goes...

"Lets go smoke some pot"...



Wait...

What was I talkin about?

twiistaaa wrote:

i was thinking about this, this morning. and i thought of one thing that is never really said.

alcohol is not just used for getting fucked up. alcohol can be used in cooking, but more so it can be enjoyed for the drink itself. while you could test and taste weed, its not exactly a connoisseur product. its used to get high. while wine, beer and even scotches and other spirits are consumed by people who are actually interested in the product itself and not the drunkenness it makes (although probably an enjoyed byproduct ).

Your right on this, but if someone want to be high I don't know why he couldn't...

Argument: Buying marijuana makes you meet dodgy people who get you hooked on hard drugs.
My resonse: Growing marijuana in your back yard will keep you away from dodgy people, and won't cost you a cent.

jonsimon wrote:

wachtler83 wrote:

out of curiosity what are the alcohol deaths vs. marijuana deaths in the us

If you're talking purely direct cause of death, clean marijuana cannot kill you.

Yes it can. Most things can kill you.

Smoking weed increases your heart rate. In people with extremely weak hearts this could bring on a heart attack. It's just very, very, very unlikely.

konfusion wrote:

Nobody smokes marijuana without tobacco, so there's already your first faulty. Second of all, as they inhale more deeply, the tobacco stays in the lungs more.

Lots of people smoke weed without tobacco. Also there has never been any proven link between cannabis use and lung cancer. In fact there is evidence to suggest that the cannaboid component of the smoke, which is absolutely not carcinogenic, has some capacity to reduce the size of tumours. If you don't smoke it, but vapourise it or even more simply eat it, then weed has no negative effects of that type whatsoever. Unlike chewing tobacco, which massively increases the risk of mouth cancer.
A great solution to the lung and throat damage problem is to smoke more potent cannabis, that way you don't need to smoke such a great volume which means you inhale less tar.

Des.Kmal wrote:

Psych0 wrote:

But here is my questions
Why would it be legal in Netherlands if it would affect your brain?

great point. would like to see a rebuttal to this without dissing the NL.

It DOES affect your brain. There are no two ways about it.
There is plenty of evidence that cannabis use can be a contributary factor to mental illness in susceptible users.
It doesn't cause brain damage, as has been suggested. In fact there is some evidence that cannaboids can be responsible for neurongenesis. But it definately does impair the brains ability to cope with mental illness.

jonsimon wrote:

Quite the contrary, restraining hemp is the motivation behind the outdated backwards law. Who do you think lobbies the government to keep hemp off the market? Cotton and other american industry. Of course, it sure doesn't help that the police and feds can seize material goods and try them in court without ever charging a real person of a crime, so long as they suspect they were involved with marijuana.

Oh well. Gone are the days of it being illegal NOT to grow hemp in England.


The biggest negative effect of cannabis use is the loss of motivation and overall laziness and apathy it can induce. This, in my opinion, is the greatest argument for it being illegal.

I refuse to put two things I enjoy equally in life up against eachother. In moderation and with self control they are both relatively harmless.

konfusion wrote:

Nobody smokes marijuana without tobacco, so there's already your first faulty. Second of all, as they inhale more deeply, the tobacco stays in the lungs more.

I do.
I smoked tobacco and Weed from 15 to about 27. I gave up the tobacco and spent a year coffing up all manner of black shit. I still smoke weed, but straight and I feel allot better for it now. Weed is like having a drink. Its for unwinding, relaxing or socialising. Were as when I was smoking Tobacco I was doing both all the time.

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

The biggest negative effect of cannabis use is the loss of motivation and overall laziness and apathy it can induce. This, in my opinion, is the greatest argument for it being illegal.

Whilst stoned (like any drug) it induces apathy but then I don't exactly feel like going for a run after a few pints either.  If you're suggesting those effects remain after the drug has worn off then you are only looking at heavy users (who would be no more problematic than alcoholics, probably less TBH).  There is no evidence that "social smokers" are lazier than non-users.  Besides, if it isn't a life/death issue for you and purely down this then can condone an outright ban?  Should bans not be reserved for things that can proven to cause more pain than enjoyment overall (gun debate again anyone?).  If the Gov were to ban things on the sole basis that they encouraged inactivity you'd have to say goodbye to fast food (much bigger cause than weed if you ask me), television, hi-fis, BF2 etc

Those effects DO remain after the drug has worn off and not only in heavy users. Those who use it on a weekly basis or more frequently will experience lack of motivation. Ability to deal with this is based on the individual user, most are fine, but many can become considerably less productive.

I don't condone any sort of ban. Although I could imagine unemployment rising if cannabis were to be legalised and I believe that would be the greatest negative effect on society.

http://www.athealth.com/Consumer/disord … cohol.html

Gen. Payne wrote:

Pretty biased source there

It could be worse.  He could site High Times Magazine.

Bertster7 wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Well at least i don't get schizophrenia or however you spell it, from alcohol.

There haven't been any conclusive studies showing that. Also the studies there have been have shown it only to be an issue for people who are already susceptible.

In any case, at least I won't be getting Alzheimer's.

Please explain how my brother got schizophrenia from smoking too much weed then...

Shit I couldn't even make it past the " Marijuana is HIGHLY ADDICTIVE blah ,blah,blah". That's pure bullshit.