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God will smite all of us who support abortion. *gets struck by lightningt*

konfusion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

jord wrote:

Wait, is it illegal in America to have an abortion?

Yeah.  We have abortion on demand here.  Most of the time you can get it done for free, and no one will ever know.

You can get away with most forms of murder here, but most cases are much more expensive.

Murder. Riiiiiiiiiight.
How about no? Unless you are a woman, I think you should shut the hell up, In fact, I think women should be the only ones condemning this, if anyone.
It's their decision as it's their child and their life comes before that of a 4-week-fetus - a being that has a much lower survival rate than the woman and has no consciousness whatsoever.

-konfusion

What are you talking about?  In many situations you can be charged with a double-homicide for killing a pregnant woman.  If my girlfriend is pregnant, and she wants the baby but I dont, can I just slip her an abortion "mickey?"

No, I am not a woman, but what the hell does that have to do with moral jugdement?  That is like saying that I cant suggest that bank robbery is wrong unless I am a bank-robber.  I cant say that enraged murder is wrong unless I catch my wife in bed with another man?  Only then do I know what it is like... right?

By the way, what is a "sex accident?"

The vast majority of people in the United States agree that people should have to right to get abortions when their life is at risk, rape, incest, and the like.  That can be equated to taking another life in self defense.

Abortion on demand as birth control is a different story (which is the majority of cases).  The fetus is a genitically distinct individual than the mother.  It is not just part of her body.

2 week old babies have 0 survival rate without care.  Should it be legal to kill them?  In many ways, they are as much a parasite as a fetus, if not more.  Consciousness is irrelevant.  I shouldnt just kill you because you are asleep, because you will awake.  The fetus may not currently be conscious, but it will awake (as it were).

A bank robber does not go through 9 months of pain. I don't see abortionists as criminals, so, no, a bank robber has no relevance at all to my argument. I don't think that you should be able to decide whether or not your girlfriend gets an abortion - however, you can decide whether or not you're in the position for financial support etc.
A woman should be able to decide what happens to her own body, not anyone else. The fetus is a part of her body and inside her body, and thus it is her responsibility and decision. What about vasectomies? You're killing tons of sperm. What about actions of war, come to think of it... If you count abortion as murder, then you sure as hell should count war as murder too.
How about instead, make sure she doesn't get knocked up, and get a vasectomy yourself? Or have sex through a trash bag. It's your responsibility as much as hers and she's in shit if it goes wrong. You, on the other hand, couldn't care less, and could leave her for all you care, while she has to go through 9 months of unpleasantness.

-konfusion

You are right though konfusion, it technically isn't murder, because murder is based on legal terms.

Lets just call it the "stomping out the life of the most innocent among us because we will be damned if we will be inconvenienced."

weamo8 wrote:

Hurricane wrote:

God will smite all of us who support abortion. *gets struck by lightningt*

People who dont believe in God should logically be more morally repulsed by abortion than believers (if their morals include respect for life).

At least most religious beliefs would include a second chance for that budding life.

It is not just a potential-life issue. It is a health concern. So it is a whole-life issue. The life of the women concerned (that whole-life). Birth can cause death. It is a risk associated to having babies with giant heads (coming out of a small upright evolved pelvis). Medical-science has made child-birth less risky in recent years (but women dying during childbirth was quite common in the past). It is a risk for potential new life and that decision rests with the individual, not you, nor me, nor the government.

Last edited by topal63 (2007-05-01 14:15:44)

Just wondering if any of these anti-women, I mean anti-abortionists here eat lamb or veal?  In fact do they eat any meat, wear leather etc? 

Orsen Wells - "All animals were created equal, but some were created more equal than others"

Funny how morals seem to change when we're talking about humans.  Racists!

weamo8 wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

weamo8 how old are you?  curious.

I'm seven years old.  You?

i can tell

weamo8 wrote:

konfusion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

You are right though konfusion, it technically isn't murder, because murder is based on legal terms.

Lets just call it the "stomping out the life of the most innocent among us because we will be damned if we will be inconvenienced."

Well, you're not inconvenienced, so I guess you're not one to talk.

-konfusion

I have one child, and my wife is pregnant right now.  I bust my ass 24/7 to keep her as comfortable and happy as possible.  She is happy and comfortable, and has told me several times that she enjoys being pregnant because I take such good care of her.

You judge too much.  While I have never been pregnant, I am quite familiar with the process.

How much experience do you have konfusion?

Friend who became pregnant at 15. It was terrible for her, she was terrified, and she eventually was able to get an abortion, thank god.
I judge because it doesn't make sense to me, especially with the arguments presented. I'm saying you can walk away from your wife any time, and the one who will be inconvenienced is her, not you.

-konfusion

weamo8 wrote:

konfusion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

You are right though konfusion, it technically isn't murder, because murder is based on legal terms.

Lets just call it the "stomping out the life of the most innocent among us because we will be damned if we will be inconvenienced."

Well, you're not inconvenienced, so I guess you're not one to talk.

-konfusion

I have one child, and my wife is pregnant right now.  I bust my ass 24/7 to keep her as comfortable and happy as possible.  She is happy and comfortable, and has told me several times that she enjoys being pregnant because I take such good care of her.

You judge too much.  While I have never been pregnant, I am quite familiar with the process.

But you're talking about personal feelings/beliefs. Not a universal principle. A sperm is alive, and it takes one in million to fertilize and egg. Every-time I jerk off I kill or murder that one in million miracle sperm. Where is a law protecting that potential future (50%) member of society.

Last edited by topal63 (2007-05-01 14:24:26)

I have heard they tickle too!  The hanger procedure anyways.  _jokes

An unborn baby is a parasite in the mother.  It cannot survive on its own.

Flame away.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-05-01 14:29:57)

Tromboner999 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

An unborn baby is a parasite

Debate and serious talk?

debate it seriously. talk.

konfusion wrote:

weamo8 wrote:

konfusion wrote:

Well, you're not inconvenienced, so I guess you're not one to talk.

-konfusion

I have one child, and my wife is pregnant right now.  I bust my ass 24/7 to keep her as comfortable and happy as possible.  She is happy and comfortable, and has told me several times that she enjoys being pregnant because I take such good care of her.

You judge too much.  While I have never been pregnant, I am quite familiar with the process.

How much experience do you have konfusion?

Friend who became pregnant at 15. It was terrible for her, she was terrified, and she eventually was able to get an abortion, thank god.
I judge because it doesn't make sense to me, especially with the arguments presented. I'm saying you can walk away from your wife any time, and the one who will be inconvenienced is her, not you.

-konfusion

I dont know your friends situation, and I dont jugde her.  I am not saying she is a bad person.  For her sake, it would have been nice if someone, in the first 15 years of her life should have explained to her that you can get pregnant by having sex.  Then, hopefully she would have chosen not to or would have made him take precautions.

I had several freinds, one who was very close to me, that were in the same situation, and several had abortions.  That is their choice, whether or not I disagree.  However, I am simply trying to say that I do take 100% responsibility for my own actions before I suggest that others do so with theirs.

People having abortions is their choice.  What bothers me is when people pretend it is no big deal.  If none of us were born yet, and we took a vote, I bet most of us would be against abortion.