ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command

Bubbalo wrote:

I think you're stupid.
Bubbalo, in his zeal for the quest and his ruthless ambition took this contest too far.

The Lizzard is dead.





">No doubt he shall return again, reborn, under a new brand name.



Admittedly he has been rather mean spirited lately. I know the mods do what they think is best for the site and not for specific individual members.

The Jury Duty thread was meant to create a chorus of voices pleading his return.

I think it is a fair policy; that when a member crosses a firmly established line ( your worst offense ladies is that which is named SPAM ) he is perma-banned. Many other forums are pricks about that and lock out your IP. The admin here usually do not, and have stated that he is free to create a new account. The punishment amounts to being reset, which is sort of a big deal when you have a lot of time invested, and stuff.

There are many things Chuy could do to make access harder, but he hasn't. As I see the wisdom of the policy I shall drop the trial and ruckus I had planned.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7125|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

The Jury Duty thread was meant to create a chorus of voices pleading his return.
Not a very good jury is it when the original goal is to prove his innocence?
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7103|United States of America

ATG wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

I think you're stupid.
Bubbalo, in his zeal for the quest and his ruthless ambition took this contest too far.

The Lizzard is dead.

Admittedly he has been rather mean spirited lately. I know the mods do what they think is best for the site and not for specific individual members.

The Jury Duty thread was meant to create a chorus of voices pleading his return.

I think it is a fair policy; that when a member crosses a firmly established line ( your worst offense ladies is that which is named SPAM ) he is perma-banned. Many other forums are pricks about that and lock out your IP. The admin here usually do not, and have stated that he is free to create a new account.
So when exactly was the point that he crossed this established line? Also, is he even still banned or does he have one of those secret banned member titles? Although, when reading this post I got to your second or though line and jumped to the suicide conclusion because of the wording you used.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7180

I am confused.  In your effort to explain ATG you have lost me.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6641|Escea

usmarine2005 wrote:

I am confused.  In your effort to explain ATG you have lost me.
What he said, but I'm sleepy so that might be it as well.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
Bubs got perma banned.
The chain email I sent out was like a petetion.
I wanted to plead the case to Chuy to get him unbanned.

They have already said basically to forget it, that he can create a new account.

Havok wrote:

I PM'd Psp

I believe Bubbalo should be unbanned because his thread was merely vocalizing his beliefs towards the American populace.  It was a stereotypical thread, but there have been far worse.  The post should be marked merely as spam because Bubbalo is smart enough to realize when a thread has no chance of breeding successful debate.  Bubbalo should receive the resulting consequence of too many post spams (an AWM or temp ban).  I believe the thread was perceived as hateful and such merely because it reflected America.  There have been lots of posts criticizing other nations, such as North Korea and Iran, that have remained open with no consequence to the OP.  Just because the majority of the members of this forum are American does not mean that it is wrong to criticize, albeit stereotypically, the nation.

-=raska=- wrote:

Hello.

Ok I've just read the famous thread and I didn't really see something that really justifies a perma ban. We have seen worse than that on these forums and I dont think it deserved a perma ban.

The guy wanted to provoke and that worked. After I read the OP, I thought that further in the thread he behaved real bad or he had personnaly told someone that he was a dumbass or anything like that. Ive read the whole thing and I came to the conclusion that the ban was strictly because of the OP, which I find provokating, but not worth a ban. As one of the poster said, its his opinion, badly expressed but still... I bet that if his op had been against France, much more people would have laughed and agreed and he wouldn't have got a ban. He got a ban because he said bad things about the country where most of the members come from. I honestly thing that it was the other members job to argue and prove him wrong. Shuting his mouth with a perma ban was not the right thing imo.

I nully agree with the guy, but at the other end I dont think that banning him is the solution. BTW, he only posted his op and a few other posts in the first and second page, and then let the other members debate in his thread, which seemed to be going pretty well until the close-down. And he didnt personnaly harassed anyone.

Feel free to give me feedback about my 2 cents.

Havok wrote:

I PM'd Psp

I believe Bubbalo should be unbanned because his thread was merely vocalizing his beliefs towards the American populace.  It was a stereotypical thread, but there have been far worse.  The post should be marked merely as spam because Bubbalo is smart enough to realize when a thread has no chance of breeding successful debate.  Bubbalo should receive the resulting consequence of too many post spams (an AWM or temp ban).  I believe the thread was perceived as hateful and such merely because it reflected America.  There have been lots of posts criticizing other nations, such as North Korea and Iran, that have remained open with no consequence to the OP.  Just because the majority of the members of this forum are American does not mean that it is wrong to criticize, albeit stereotypically, the nation.

Ryan wrote:

Quite frankly, I know that the D&ST forum can get a little rowdy. That being said, I can see how people's mouths get out of control and they go off with quite a rant, not really realizing what they are saying.

Bubbalo's post states his opinion of American's. Not everyone will agree with what he thinks. To me, the main idea of the D&ST is to post your feelings of what if happening around the world, which is what Bubbalo did. He does not deserve to be banned because of his theories, ideologies, and beliefs.

So if this is how he thinks of American's, I'm fine with that.

I think he should be unbanned.

Canin wrote:

I have read through the post and frankly I see no reason why Bubbalo should have received a permaban for it. I saw nothing in that thread that I haven't seen in any other bash America styled thread. I did not see where it got out of hand and needed closing outside of a couple of flames, which are normal in any thread of this type.

    Based on these observations I would stand to have Bubbalo reinstated to the forums.  Canin.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7125|67.222.138.85
You quoted Havok twice.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7050|949

To be honest, I really don't think Bubbalo contributed positively to the forums that much at all.  Mostly, he just disagreed with one-liners.  I think that's why he and USMarine got along so well, debating one line at a time.  Although he seemed to be contributing a little more lately Whatever, if he wants back I'm sure he can find a way.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7103|United States of America
Was that thread, described as anti-American, the straw that broke the camel's back? I wish I had been online when it was open so I could've debated in it and had an impact in that topic. If he truly believes that, it's fine, just like with his thread that some described as praising the terrorist dead. I'm not one to stifle him expressing his real views even if I disagree with them. However, if he doesn't really believe those things he wrote, I'd be more upset, since what is more lame than lying about your opinions over the internet, where you can remain anonymous.
<BoTM>J_Aero
Qualified Expert
+62|6883|Melbourne - Home of Football
Personally I was looking forward to putting in my opinion on that "Have you American..." thread, but it was a case of open when I began to read, and closed by the time I reached the end of the posts.

Looking over the Rules in comparison to that particular post by Bubbalo, I believe it is hard to see any flagrant breach of those rules. The OP is without a doubt inflammatory and strongly worded, but does not breach the line into becoming hateful, or threatening, it is not personally directed at anyone, but a general observation about a particular people. Personally I would have disagreed with every point Bubbalo made, but his right to have his say and push his viewpoint should be very strongly defended.

Obviously in the end the site remains property of Chuy and is administered by the Moderators and Admins, and we must remember as such is private property, but in this case, transparency, reasoning and justification on display is probably in the best interests of everyone.

Last edited by <BoTM>J_Aero (2007-08-06 11:36:48)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7180

^^^^^^^

No offence, but you do not see his deleted stuff.
<BoTM>J_Aero
Qualified Expert
+62|6883|Melbourne - Home of Football
An excellent point.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

InitaPic ....lowing.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7184|UK
What was wrong with his anti America thread? Ive seen plenty of completely racist anti muslim/middle east threads.

His thread was correct as well. Most people see things similar to what he wrote, obviously not quite so extreme, but he said what alot of people think. Why ban him for voicing his opinion if when others do the same but far more offensively arent banned.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7184|UK
Heres an example of blatent racism without any kind of consequence:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 5#p1658175

This kind of 2 faced moderation is really starting to piss me off, anything anti America = close/ban anything racist to anyone else is fair game.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7068
Where the fuck has CP been lately?
TeamOrange
Don't be that guy
+84|6729

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Where the fuck has CP been lately?
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7125|67.222.138.85

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Where the fuck has CP been lately?
Well he was in China, posted a few times on temp forums.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6911|Connecticut
I am announcing my candidacy for Hall of Fame. My platform is nothing. I contribute nothing. We shall from this point forward call it the Seinfeld Effect. Vote for me and I will gurantee nothing, but at least I will not let you down.
Malloy must go
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7103|United States of America
You have my vote as the only candidate because I've tried to stir up this nest already, but apparently nobody reads the stickies anymore. I'm guessing we've missed at least 3 months here.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7184|UK
Yeah i was wondering what happened to this.
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7228|NÃ¥rvei

It kinda died after the crash ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7039|London, England

deeznutz1245 wrote:

I am announcing my candidacy for Hall of Fame. My platform is nothing. I contribute nothing. We shall from this point forward call it the Seinfeld Effect. Vote for me and I will gurantee nothing, but at least I will not let you down.
They always promise nothing but always end up delivering something
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6911|Connecticut

Mek-Izzle wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

I am announcing my candidacy for Hall of Fame. My platform is nothing. I contribute nothing. We shall from this point forward call it the Seinfeld Effect. Vote for me and I will gurantee nothing, but at least I will not let you down.
They always promise nothing but always end up delivering something
Well then what would you like me to promise?
Malloy must go
The Bartenders Son
Member
+42|7112|online
cool post

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