Jasp
Bongabilla
+171|7110|The Outer Circle
I really don't have much idea what the differences are between different political groups/ideals and what they stand for.

Example; Democrat, Liberal, Labour, Conservative etc..

Also, Left wing, Right wing?

Anybody have any explanations for me?

Bear in mind, I'm 23 and have never had any interest in politics at all until recently, As I have recently started to take an interest.

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KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7080|949

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=71605 - find out for yourself where you stand in relation to the rest of 'us'.

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GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7092
im a hawkish-dove
fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6939|Menlo Park, CA
I am a rabid Republican who happens to be pro-choice!

The differences are vast, wikipedia it, or just go check out the various websites about all the parties.  Through that, you should get a good idea of the differences on who's who, and what's what.

Or check out the political poll that ken-jennings put on his thread
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6998|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth
Democrat, Liberal, Labour, Conservative etc have all become much of a muchness nowadays (in the UK anyway)....

Anyway, very brifley

Right Wing - Racist, zenophobic, totalatarian, warmongerering Nazis
Left Wing, Namby pamby, lilly livered, tree hugging, pot smoking hippies.

Generally speaking the Conservatives (UK) and the Republicans (US) are right wing and the Democrats (US) and Liberal Democrats (UK) are left wing.  Labour (UK) try to be the middleground but they are becoming ever more right wing by the day.

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Sanjaya
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Just remember, if you're anywhere close to the left, you're wrong.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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Sanjaya wrote:

Just remember, if you're anywhere close to the left, you're wrong.
Good to have you back teeny-bopper!
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7190|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Democrat, Liberal, Labour, Conservative etc have all become much of a muchness nowadays (in the UK anyway)....

Anyway, very brifley

Right Wing - Racist, zenophobic, totalatarian, warmongerering Nazis
Left Wing, Namby pamby, lilly livered, tree hugging, pot smoking hippies.

Generally speaking the Conservatives (UK) and the Republicans (US) are right wing and the Democrats (US) and Liberal Democrats (UK) are left wing.  Labour (UK) try to be the middleground but they are becoming ever more right wing by the day.
hmmmm surely you mean that Labour are the "Left" in the uk (I know hard to believe with TB in Charge) and the Lib Dems are the center ground fence sitters..
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6853|North Carolina

TPM-J45P3R- wrote:

I really don't have much idea what the differences are between different political groups/ideals and what they stand for.

Example; Democrat, Liberal, Labour, Conservative etc..

Also, Left wing, Right wing?

Anybody have any explanations for me?

Bear in mind, I'm 23 and have never had any interest in politics at all until recently, As I have recently started to take an interest.
Well, when it comes to American politics, I see it as the following.

Democrats advocate the causes of the poor, the elderly, minorities (racial and otherwise), social programs in general, organized labor, and personal freedom (except a few notable things like gun ownership and politically incorrect speech).

Republicans advocate the causes of big business, religious morality (predominantly Protestant interests), patriotism, military interests, and economic freedom (less taxes, basically).

What's more interesting is how each official fits into the big picture.  Few politicians toe the line of a party 100% of the time.  Most are a combination of multiple parties' stances, and they often have a few unique positions on key issues not officially represented by any party.

When it comes to your country's politics, I'll have to let one of your fellow Brits explain. 
Harmor
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+605|6996|San Diego, CA, USA
I'm a Green Republican - I know its an oxymorn.  I believe in deregulating the energy industry, promoting alternative energies, and protecting the environment by buying the land from the people instead of staying there's a 'Knat catcher' in your lands so you can't sell. 

Why do we have a 80 cent tarrif on Ethanol from Brazil?  Why is it I can put solar panels on my house?  Why do we have like 70 different blends of gasoline? (making it just 3 or 4 would drop gas prices 50 cents)

Cut taxes on everyone, including the rich.  Remember, you don't have your job from someone who is poor.  Reduce H-1B visas.   Incentivize kids to do engineering and sciences.  Allow businesses into high school to - teach a trade like in Europe (i.e. the local Jiffy Lube hires some high school students and teaches them to fix cars while paying them minimum wage).

Allow people to adopt a fetus instead of it being destroyed - how many potential mothers regretted their decision - at least allow someone else to raise them.  I'm sure the technology would allow a fetus to be transplanted to another woman.

Make it only citizens who are sane, that MUST go though a background check (even at Gun shows), to be allowed to purchase a gun - sorry no green cards allowed.

Allow illegal immigrants the opportunity to join the military on a 5 year path to citizenship - my father join the military as a legal immigrant in 1970 (became a citizen in 1973 and then served 30 years - I'm prowd of him).

Add survalence technology at the border with software to track moving objects and alert someone.  All these cameras would goto a website that shows the feeds of the cameras that have a moving object detected by the software.  Have ordinary citizens goto these websites and report any suspecious activity - each time they do and it leads to an arrest that citizen gets $35.

Allow survalence cameras everywhere, HOWEVER, if a crime occured in an area a warrant would first need to be issued to get the video/audio feeds.  I see it just like ATM cameras on ATM machines or survalence footage from a store - just require a warrant so its not against the 4th amendment.
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6821|Kyiv, Ukraine

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Democrat, Liberal, Labour, Conservative etc have all become much of a muchness nowadays (in the UK anyway)....

Anyway, very brifley

Right Wing - Racist, zenophobic, totalatarian, warmongerering Nazis
Left Wing, Namby pamby, lilly livered, tree hugging, pot smoking hippies.

Generally speaking the Conservatives (UK) and the Republicans (US) are right wing and the Democrats (US) and Liberal Democrats (UK) are left wing.  Labour (UK) try to be the middleground but they are becoming ever more right wing by the day.
In the States the two main parties are center right (Democrats) and further right (Republicans), regardless of what people think they're voting for and what the media tries to portray them as.  Nader's Independant party and the Green party are the only parties falling left of center in US politics that have any degree of organization.  The Libertarian party is an odd lot, falling far right on economics but far left on personal liberties.  In Europe (not speaking for UK), the parties seem more evenly distributed across the spectrum, from the far-right ultranationalists to the far left Communist party, and all things in between.  Israel, by contrast, has no less than 20 political parties at any given time able to muster 2 to 5% of the vote each, ranging from single-minded "pro-hemp" parties to the more comprehensive Social democrats, to the pro-Zionist pro-hawk Likud party.  Confused yet?  Well, some countries allow you to vote for your top 3 (or more) favorite parties, not just the one you like most.  So, for example, you were an ultra-nationalist pot-smoker and a proud Christian, you would fill your ballot like this:

1 - Nationalist Party
2 - Pro-hemp Party
3 - Christian Democratic Party

Basically, the main issue with American politics is the winner-take-all system, whereby a simple majority determines the winner and who gets to power.  There is no 2nd place, #2 packs his bags and goes and writes a book or something.  The parliamentary system in other western democracies though basically takes the percentage of the votes for each party and then divides the seats in their parliament accordingly (its a little more complicated, but that's the basic idea).  The parties then need to form coalitions until one coalition can claim majority and appoint a prime minister (Speaker of the House equivalent).  If the parties can't form a viable coalition, then it is said they "didn't form the new government" and they hold another vote (a "run-off") where only the top X parties appear on the ballot, or it could be a completely fresh start (depends on rules).  Most all governmental functions, such as budgeting, are handled by apolitical career bureaucrats following strict rules, so "lacking a government" generally isn't a big deal, life goes on as always.

Basically, in Europe you don't vote for a man to lead or represent you, you vote for the party first and foremost.  You will generally have a good idea of the men/women that will eventually take leadership if that party wins if you're paying attention, but their party keeps them in line with their party's goals and will replace them if they don't toe the party line.  Why does Tony still have a job, Brits?

They may also still have a presidential election, but depending on the individual country's rules, the president may have power almost equal to the US president, or he may just be a figurehead, or the position might not exist at all.

The end result is that most European countries tend to be more centrist overall and reflect better the people that vote.  The American system tends to elect candidates and reps that are a few steps to the right of the citizenry.  There's been some arguement that the center line should be moved to reflect American politics, so that the Democratic liberals would be to the left, but most political scientists think that's a bad idea, and would simply reflect the artificial framing the American media has put on the subject (Want some real laughs?  Listen to Fox News pundits talk about the "Ultra-left" Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton).

As far as your other questions regarding the meaning of left-right, wiki has an excellent starting point for this, but keep in mind American and European bias.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_Spectrum
CameronPoe
Member
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Here in Ireland it goes like this (from Right to Left):

Progressive Democrats
Fine Gael
Fianna Fáil
Green
Labour
Sinn Féin
Socialist Party
IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7190|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann
man Sinn Fein are  Marxist revolutionaries FFS i'd put them more left than the Socialist party

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FloppY_
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+1,010|6734|Denmark aka Automotive Hell
What's politics? :E


^ Sarcasm ofc. but i am really (REALLY) not interested in politics
­ Your thoughts, insights, and musings on this matter intrigue me
MrPredictable
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http://www.politicalcompass.org/

you can find out where you are, and figure out the differences between the ideologies .

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