I don't think you were taking a cheap shot directly at me. I get what you were trying to address. I didn't see the need for a retaliatory thread to be honest.ATG wrote:
For all the petty retalitory threads that have been created over the silliest things I was rather surprised Cam didn't create one is response to this. Perhaps he felt like I had taken a cheap shot.
LOL I love how ATG refused to acknowledge the point I made because he has some Daniel Pearl fetish and didn't like my comments, but when two other people independently ventured it, he ignored it too. Foot in your mouth?ATG wrote:
Actually, I'm a big fan of Cameron.Braddock wrote:
ATG You're criticising liberals (again) for not presenting credible solutions to problems created by Conservatives/Republicans?
Perhaps liberals are rubbing the 'I told you so' attitude in everyone's face because guess what ...they did tell you so. Now you want them to get America out of their hole. They suggest pulling troops out of Iraq because the military struggle is pissing in the wind and you say this is not good enough. Newsflash: hundreds of people are dying everyday in Iraq anyway, with US troops there. Pull out and allow the nation to re-establish a natural order, it's the only way (the US should not have bothered trying to alter that nation in the first place, now they must face the painful reality).
You say liberalism is riddled with self congratulatory ego stroking ...that's funny because I remember one George Bush standing at a podium on a battle ship whooping and cheering about 'victory' in Iraq (a 'victory' that is now in it's third year!). These points are again useless generalisations about liberalism. I'm not going to defend US liberal politicians because many of them are cock-knockers but your OP is full of sound bites (e.g. "Too often, feel good policies apply bandages to problems while infecting the wound") and rhetoric that smacks of an inherent and possibly irrational dislike of liberalism (and Cameronpoe's posts)
I simply decided to make a thread NOT attacking Islam, war or any particular news story, but one attacking the basic tenets of liberalism, which I believe is a seriously flawed way of thinking.
I selected Cameron because he is the co-chair of the DST hall of fame, no other reason, accept maybe I felt like everybody was trying to be too middle of the road lately, and I wanted to start a fight.
I accomplished that not by saying " hey fag, your stupid " but by examining some posts of the forums leading liberal " heavy-weight ".
For all the petty retalitory threads that have been created over the silliest things I was rather surprised Cam didn't create one is response to this. Perhaps he felt like I had taken a cheap shot.
For those that can't connect the dots, he was referring to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.aDouchebag wrote:
"Mission Accomplished" isn't self-congratulatory?
If you also confuse a conservative for a Republican chances are I ignored your post because it was not worth addressing.
Oh c'mon... It's a good point. Bush is as self-congratulatory as it comes.
Arrogance is certainly not a partisan thing -- it's a bipartisan phenomenon that permeates every avenue of politics.
I mean, think about it.... At the pinnacle of the political system, you have people vying for who is supposedly the most fit to run the whole country. I mean, seriously, how fucking arrogant do you have to be to think you're worthy of running the most powerful nation on Earth?
Self-congratulation comes with the territory in politics...
Arrogance is certainly not a partisan thing -- it's a bipartisan phenomenon that permeates every avenue of politics.
I mean, think about it.... At the pinnacle of the political system, you have people vying for who is supposedly the most fit to run the whole country. I mean, seriously, how fucking arrogant do you have to be to think you're worthy of running the most powerful nation on Earth?
Self-congratulation comes with the territory in politics...
Clever, ATG. For a 38 year old man, you sure act like a child sometimes.ATG wrote:
For those that can't connect the dots, he was referring to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.aDouchebag wrote:
"Mission Accomplished" isn't self-congratulatory?
If you also confuse a conservative for a Republican chances are I ignored your post because it was not worth addressing.
It seemed very mature to me.
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Says the man to whom the words democrat and liberal are interchangeable. Who cares what he was referring to, he CONGRATULATED HIMSELF. That would be the definition of self-congratulatory.ATG wrote:
For those that can't connect the dots, he was referring to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.aDouchebag wrote:
"Mission Accomplished" isn't self-congratulatory?
If you also confuse a conservative for a Republican chances are I ignored your post because it was not worth addressing.
The douchebag part? It's a shame I get under his skin like that. Well, not really I guess.TrollmeaT wrote:
It seemed very mature to me.
How is that childish?Sanjaya wrote:
Clever, ATG. For a 38 year old man, you sure act like a child sometimes.ATG wrote:
For those that can't connect the dots, he was referring to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.aDouchebag wrote:
"Mission Accomplished" isn't self-congratulatory?
If you also confuse a conservative for a Republican chances are I ignored your post because it was not worth addressing.
Original Post:ATG wrote:
If you also confuse a conservative for a Republican chances are I ignored your post because it was not worth addressing.
Since when did the nuances of those labels become relevant to you?ATG wrote:
...the political left's agenda ... liberals ...liberals ...I need to hear something from the democrats and leftists ....
Bear in mind your role as a U.S. citizen:
you get to vote for a republican or a democrat. you can also call them conservatives or liberals -- the right or the left.
You only emphasize the recent failures of the republican party by attempting to dissociate the party from its ideology.
But lets not kid ourselves, there is only one political party in the US, and it is called Wall Street. It is also known as NASDAQ and the republican party. The democratic party is an underfunded and underdeveloped foreign relations program.
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Hah. Funny.Marinejuana wrote:
Original Post:ATG wrote:
If you also confuse a conservative for a Republican chances are I ignored your post because it was not worth addressing.Since when did the nuances of those labels become relevant to you?ATG wrote:
...the political left's agenda ... liberals ...liberals ...I need to hear something from the democrats and leftists ....
Bear in mind your role as a U.S. citizen:
you get to vote for a republican or a democrat. you can also call them conservatives or liberals -- the right or the left.
You only emphasize the recent failures of the republican party by attempting to dissociate the party from its ideology.
But lets not kid ourselves, there is only one political party in the US, and it is called Wall Street. It is also known as NASDAQ and the republican party. The democratic party is an underfunded and underdeveloped foreign relations program.