Which Combination Do You Prefer?

2007-05-02 11:32:49

#1

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7205|Argentina

Simple. Americans and foreigners. Since this is an American forum I didn't put a Gun Ban option, because like many Americans said before, it would be impossible to ban guns in America.

Gun control advocates believe that right does not extend to ownership of military-style firearms that are otherwise known as assault weapons. They also support measures intended to curb gun-related violence, such as mandatory child safety locks, background checks on those wishing to purchase a gun, limits on the number of guns a person can buy and raising the age limit for gun ownership.

Gun rights groups, led by the National Rifle Association, argue that these and other proposals infringe on the constitutional rights of law-abiding citizens. They maintain that bans on the sale of certain types of weapons have not proved effective in reducing violent crime, and that proposals for stricter background checks at gun shows are designed to eliminate gun shows themselves. Some gun manufacturers have volunteered support for safety locks, but the NRA has criticized safety locks for placing an undue burden on gun manufacturers without a proven benefit to the public.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-05-02 13:16:40)

2007-05-02 11:35:10

#2

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7092

I must like shooting people before theyre born.

2007-05-02 11:39:47

#3

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7184|Salt Lake City

Does gun control mean a ban or does it mean legal with laws that make sense?

2007-05-02 11:41:13

#4

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7205|Argentina

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Does gun control mean a ban or does it mean legal with laws that make sense?

Legal with laws that make sense. No military weapons allowed f.i.

2007-05-02 11:45:03

#5

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7184|Salt Lake City

Oh cool, I just made it a 3 way tie.

2007-05-02 11:50:45

#6

blisteringsilence: I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy; +83|7150|Little Rock, Arkansas

I support the rights of the individual over the rights of the masses every time. Go classic liberalism.

2007-05-02 11:56:58

#7

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,073|7220|PNW

sergeriver wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Does gun control mean a ban or does it mean legal with laws that make sense?
Legal with laws that make sense. No military weapons allowed f.i.

Doesn't that make it only moderately different than gun rights? In the US, we have both.

It's like asking if you prefer driver rights or driver control.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-02 11:59:50)

2007-05-02 12:10:15

#8

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7163|US

Gun rights + Pro-life

I support an adult being able to purchase a firearm...that is their choice. It does not necessarily affect anyone in a negative way.

I am also pro-life (with a couple possible exceptions). I believe that life begins at conception (or, at least earlier than birth). Thus, I feel it is wrong to kill a fetus.

2007-05-02 12:13:50

#9

Crazy-Madness: Member; +8|6932

i dont know what this means ^^

2007-05-02 12:16:03

#10

jord: Member; +2,382|7126|The North, beyond the wall.

The first one.

At the end of the day if the fetus wasn't flushed away it's just going to grow up to be a child that finds out it's parents don't want it. As well as the mother having to go through one of the most painful experiances for something she doesn't want.

2007-05-02 12:47:22

#11

=OBS= EstebanRey: Member; +256|6998|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth

Gun Control & Abortion. Look at the other threads for explanations

2007-05-02 12:53:20

#12

Phrozenbot: Member; +632|7064|do not disturb

Gun control and pro life.

2007-05-02 13:05:21

#13

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7205|Argentina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Does gun control mean a ban or does it mean legal with laws that make sense?
Legal with laws that make sense. No military weapons allowed f.i.
Doesn't that make it only moderately different than gun rights? In the US, we have both.

It's like asking if you prefer driver rights or driver control.

Gun control advocates believe that right does not extend to ownership of military-style firearms that are otherwise known as assault weapons. They also support measures intended to curb gun-related violence, such as mandatory child safety locks, background checks on those wishing to purchase a gun, limits on the number of guns a person can buy and raising the age limit for gun ownership.

2007-05-02 13:07:05

#14

konfusion: mostly afk; +480|6998|CH/BR - in UK

Gun Control and Abortion - like EstebanRey, look at the Gun Laws threads and the "Abortion Tickles" thread for explanations.

-konfusion

2007-05-02 14:35:45

#15

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6893|The Land of Scott Walker

sergeriver wrote:
Gun control advocates believe that right does not extend to ownership of military-style firearms that are otherwise known as assault weapons.

This is a major problem with the gun rights/control/ban debate - inaccurate terms. "Military style" could be applied to a semi-automatic .22 rifle with a curved magazine, a folding stock, and a bipod though it is by no means an assault weapon. An assault rifle is a select fire weapon capable of fully automotic fire. The appearance of almost any firearm can be modified to make it "look" like a weapon used in the military. Yet it does nothing to change the manner in which it fires. Judging a weapon by it's looks is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Yet it keeps popping up in the gun debate.

Edit: Not a swipe at you Serge. I know you're just trying to set the framework for the debate.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2007-05-02 14:37:42)

2007-05-02 14:43:09

#16

Gawwad: My way or Haddaway!; +212|7133|Espoo, Finland

I'm pro gun control and pro choise. Only that people shouldt think of abortion as a way of birth control.

2007-05-02 14:48:45

#17

Canin: Conservative Roman Catholic; +280|6923|Foothills of S. Carolina

I picked gun rights and pro-life. Maybe I should have chosen via the enni mini miney mo system.

2007-05-02 14:52:05

#18

XanKrieger: iLurk; +60|7106|South West England

Gun Control and Abortion, Its Her choice as to what happens to the baby during her pregnancy and its his or her right to under the eyes of the law hold a weapon

2007-05-02 15:20:54

#19

spacebandit72: Dead Meat; +121|7179|Michigan

jord wrote:
The first one.

At the end of the day if the fetus wasn't flushed away it's just going to grow up to be a child that finds out it's parents don't want it. As well as the mother having to go through one of the most painful experiances for something she doesn't want.

That tells me that you think this child has no right to life because its mom is crap.
Well, I think you have no right to life because you told your parents you wouldn't take out the trash. (not really, just making a point)
There are thousands of married couples who cannot have children and would love to adopt. If you think I'm full of crap... why are children sold on the black market all the time?

Liberals are always talking about "rights" and how we should have the right to do what we want... Well, what about the childs rights?

I think the Abortion thing comes down to selfishness. The young girl who gets prego and does not want her parents to find out. Not thinking that she just killed a person. The woman who gets raped and decides she can't bare the idea of having that "thing" inside her. (at a person's expense) It's not the kids fault that bad things happen. If people could dig a little deeper inside themselves, and not always be concerned with themselves, I don't think this would be an issue.

As for guns...
We should have gun rights because it says so in the Constitution.
We should have some control as far as people who are mentaly screwed up and known bad guys but take away that right and what's next? National health care? Just look at the countries who use that already. Not good.

Just my opinion.

2007-05-02 15:31:24

#20

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7214|UK

Gun Control + Abortion

2007-05-02 15:39:46

#21

krazed: Admiral of the Bathtub; +619|7228|Great Brown North

sensible gun control+abortion

Last edited by krazed (2007-05-02 15:40:38)

2007-05-02 15:57:28

#22

Bonesaw: Member; +8|7067

gun rights + pro life. I support civilian ownership of all small arms, be it a .22 bolt action or a belt-fed .30 machine gun. 90% of gun laws on the books are unconstitutional, but for some reason this country puts up with it.

2007-05-02 15:59:09

#23

BVC: Member; +325|7143

Gun rights + abortion.

2007-05-02 16:18:09

#24

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7205|Argentina

Stingray24 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Gun control advocates believe that right does not extend to ownership of military-style firearms that are otherwise known as assault weapons.
This is a major problem with the gun rights/control/ban debate - inaccurate terms. "Military style" could be applied to a semi-automatic .22 rifle with a curved magazine, a folding stock, and a bipod though it is by no means an assault weapon. An assault rifle is a select fire weapon capable of fully automotic fire. The appearance of almost any firearm can be modified to make it "look" like a weapon used in the military. Yet it does nothing to change the manner in which it fires. Judging a weapon by it's looks is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. Yet it keeps popping up in the gun debate.

Edit: Not a swipe at you Serge. I know you're just trying to set the framework for the debate.

I agree with you that some weapons could create confusion, but when you can freely buy an AK-47, there's no doubt this assault rifle should not be used by civilians.

2007-05-02 16:18:11

#25

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|7154

blisteringsilence wrote:
I support the rights of the individual over the rights of the masses every time. Go classic liberalism.

Uhh, what about the masses that are being killed every day in abortions? I do believe that abortions should be legal, however, I do not believe in late-term abortions, which are disgusting murders, and which happen all the time. After a certain amount of time in the womb, the fetus developes a brain with the capacity to maintain what we consider consciousness. Abortions should be legal up to a certain stage, after which point they should be 100% ILLEGAL.

Unless I have commited a murder(late term abortions) or somthing, I would rather not have the government controlling what I can and cannot do.

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2007-05-02 16:23:41)

Gun Rights + Abortion	27%	27% - 39
Gun Control + Pro-Life	10%	10% - 15
Gun Rights + Pro-Life	19%	19% - 28
Gun Control + Abortion	41%	41% - 59
Total: 141

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