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Which Branch of the State in Democracy Should Be More Powerful?

Executive (President, PM, Cabinet, etc)14%14% - 8
Legislative (Congress, Legislature, Parliament, etc)18%18% - 10
Judiciary5%5% - 3
No branch should have more power than the other58%58% - 32
Other (explain)3%3% - 2
Total: 55
2007-05-03 04:59:26
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina
Reading Cam's thread "Systems of Government" I came up with this question.  Which Branch of the State in Democracy Should Be More Powerful?

"Separation of powers" is a feature more inherent to presidential systems, whereas "Fusion of powers" is characteristic of parliamentary systems. There also exist "mixed systems," which fall somewhere near the midpoint of the continuum, most notably France's (current) Fifth Republic.

With fusion of powers, one branch (invariably the elected legislature) is supreme, and the other branches are subservient to it. In a separation of powers, each branch is largely (although not necessarily entirely) independent of the other branches.

Accordingly, in a fusion of powers system — the best-known is that of the United Kingdom, which was first described as such by Walter Bagehot — the legislature is elected by the people, and then this legislature "creates" the executive.
2007-05-03 05:01:42
Varegg
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No branch should be more powerful, it should as in most European countries lie in the parliament to ensure true democracy !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2007-05-03 05:02:54
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina

Varegg wrote:

No branch should be more powerful, it should as in most European countries lie in the parliament to ensure true democracy !
So, the Parliament is more powerful.
2007-05-03 05:05:15
Varegg
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sergeriver wrote:

Varegg wrote:

No branch should be more powerful, it should as in most European countries lie in the parliament to ensure true democracy !
So, the Parliament is more powerful.
If you call that branch, yes !
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2007-05-03 05:07:06
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina

Varegg wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Varegg wrote:

No branch should be more powerful, it should as in most European countries lie in the parliament to ensure true democracy !
So, the Parliament is more powerful.
If you call that branch, yes !
Well, it's the Legislative Branch, in this case the Parliament.
2007-05-03 05:26:24
Varegg
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sergeriver wrote:

Varegg wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


So, the Parliament is more powerful.
If you call that branch, yes !
Well, it's the Legislative Branch, in this case the Parliament.
10-4
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
2007-05-03 05:43:43
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7029|SE London

Judiciary. To keep all the others in line.
2007-05-03 06:11:42
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|7009
No branch should be more powerful per se, but then their powers can't really be compared anyway, given that they each have vastly different duties.
2007-05-03 06:15:17
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6970|...

No branch should have more power than the other. Just because one branch, like the executive, vetos something, does not make it more powerful.
2007-05-03 09:58:42
PuckMercury
6 x 9 = 42
+298|6975|Portland, OR USA
For the sake of debate, I'll say that there is a particular branch that should be more powerful than the others.  I would say this  branch is the legislative branch.  The reason is simple, it's the closest realization to democracy we have.  The executive branch is too likely to turn into a monarchy/dictatorship and the judicial is on a good path but doesn't have a large enough base.  With all the members of congress you're more likely to get an accurate representation of the will of the people.  Note:  I am saying MORE LIKELY, not that this occurs in actualization.  I personally feel that the nation is in need of a total rebuild.
2007-05-03 10:02:50
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6977|Global Command

PuckMercury wrote:

I personally feel that the nation is in need of a total rebuild.
And how.
2007-05-03 10:09:25
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7205|Argentina

ATG wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

I personally feel that the nation is in need of a total rebuild.
And how.
Listening to people?
2007-05-03 11:21:09
=OBS= EstebanRey
Member
+256|6998|Oxford, England, UK, EU, Earth
I was gonna go for "no branch" too but then I thought about it.  One has to be able to have the final say because otherwise you get long drawn out disagreements and political deadlocks.  Germanies coallition Givernment had a lot of problems because no one had the right to the final say.

That isn't to say, however, that they can do what they like.  Their "final say" would have to take all considerations into account, even if it means looking at a comprimise.
2007-05-03 12:02:25
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7080|949

It depends on the system. 

The judiciary branch tends to behave the most independently, but there is cause for concern in making it the most dominant (look at it now). 

I would like to see the legislative branch's powers extended, but not to the current incarnation of Congress.  I think 2 Senators for a state is a bit ridiculous.  I would like to see the Senate become a little more ceremonial and the House become stronger, along with the introduction of more parties/coalitions.

I believe the executive branch should become weaker.
2007-05-03 12:03:45
reaper_654
confused??
+36|6744|ohio,USA
no branch are you retarded
2007-05-03 12:09:43
sexecuti0ner
What kinda guy are you are?
+148|6680

Bertster7 wrote:

Judiciary. To keep all the others in line.
But who will keep the judiciary in line?  I thought the whole point of the structure was that make it so that the branches could keep each other in check, holding no branch no more powerful than the others.  With the constant threat of corruption, no branch can become all-powerful.  This is how I interpreted it, just my thoughts.
2007-05-03 12:10:16
mikeyb118
Evil Overlord
+76|7047|S.C.
If you want real democracy give everybody teh internetz, dissolve congress and the senate, then hold referendums on-line on Thursday every week. This would probably get fucked up because people would just vote for no taxes.
2007-05-03 12:18:51
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,073|7220|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

ATG wrote:

PuckMercury wrote:

I personally feel that the nation is in need of a total rebuild.
And how.
Listening to people?
Flashes of the film "Idiocracy" just went through my head.

Bubbalo wrote:

No branch should be more powerful per se, but then their powers can't really be compared anyway, given that they each have vastly different duties.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-03 12:19:58)

2007-05-03 12:48:49
jonsimon
Member
+224|6943
The people. Otherwise, given time and corruption, the all branches become one.
2007-05-03 12:58:57
herrr_smity
Member
+156|7076|space command ur anus
Legislative (Congress, Legislature, Parliament, etc)
the only way to have a democracy
2007-05-03 15:36:57
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6853|North Carolina

herrr_smity wrote:

Legislative (Congress, Legislature, Parliament, etc)
the only way to have a democracy
Agreed.  The legislature represents the people better than the other branches.
2007-05-03 15:43:02
mcgid1
Meh...
+129|7165|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX
Each branch should be powerful in its own areas, but should not have more power than the other two branches.

 

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