Hey Ken...what is with the C & P game?
We didn't go to Iraq to 'oust' Saddam. At least that is not how it was presented to the American public.
I know what he said. But we know why.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
We didn't go to Iraq to 'oust' Saddam. At least that is not how it was presented to the American public.
Propaganda is in deed a powerful tool... had a bit to do with getting this whole mess started in Iraq.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Withhold the naiveté. It was a war was it not ? Propaganda is a powerful tool in warfare is it not ?An Enlarged Liver wrote:
So the media should have stopped covering events in Iraq after say George declared 'Mission Accomplished'?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
further the only goal of the Terrorist is to achieve publicity for the act.
Simply put, No cameras = Unsuccessful.
After WWII when Guerilla activity took place in Germany, The Allies were adamant that it not be publicized. Today’s U.S. media has very obvious political motives.
We don't have to push the Enemies propaganda do we. ?
Do you think our enemies would show our propaganda?
It should never be done just as a political tool to gain power. To do so is treason.
IE I want to be a congressman NOW. Fuck our people still in harms way.
At the very least they could cover it fairly.
IE We know exactly how many of our casualties we take,
I have yet to hear of enemies casualties Why is this ?
And if you don't hear about enemy casualties I don't know what to tell you because they are reported as soon as they happen. One reason you hear of just American deaths is the nature of this insurgency itself -> IED's and the like. Frequently there is no contact with the enemy whatsoever, just BOOM. Didn't you hear about the dick-head we got earlier this week? He orchestrated several kidnappings and bombings there. Read more.
Governments define terrorists. Rebels define evil empires. That's most of the semantics.
As for me.... I think any individual or group that kills people for ideological purposes is engaging in terrorism. This could be applied to many extremists and governments alike.
As for me.... I think any individual or group that kills people for ideological purposes is engaging in terrorism. This could be applied to many extremists and governments alike.
Nice map.
Terrorist: one who causes terror.
In World War II, the government actively restricted the media. Half the shit the media shows these days would have been cut. And guess what? World War II was won by the allies.An Enlarged Liver wrote:
Again, should the media have stopped covering events after that big mission was accomplished?
The media now a days is constantly undermining the war effort, and being a general pain in the ass. To answer your question, I don't think they should have been covering anything relating the war, because its all destructive bull shit that just undermines the war effort.
I see Saudi Arabia
Someone who is of Middle-Eastern descent, has a thick black mustache, and who is a Muslim. Turbans applicable.
Bush.
also an acceptable answer.
What Is A Terrorist?
by Jeff Cohen
ter·ror·ist (ter'er-ist) n. 1. One who engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
2. One who leads an armed group that kills civilians as a means of political intimidation -- unless he terrorizes Haitians while on the CIA-payroll, as did 1990s death squad leader Emmanuel Constant, in which case the U.S. refuses to extradite him to Haiti, even after Sept. 11, 2001.
3. One who targets civilian airliners and ships -- unless he blows up a Cuban civilian airliner, killing 73 people, and fires at a Polish freighter, like Orlando Bosch, in which case he is coddled and paroled by the Bush Justice Department in 1990, and his extradition is blocked.
4. One who leads a group that engages in kidnapping and murder -- unless the victims are Hondurans attacked by CIA-backed death squad Battalion 316, in which case Battalion architect Gustavo Alvarez becomes a Pentagon consultant, while the then-ambassador to Honduras who downplayed the terror, John Negroponte, is appointed U.S. ambassador to the United Nations days after Sept. 11.
5. One who uses rape and murder for political purposes -- unless the victims are four U.S. church women sexually assaulted and killed in 1980 by members of El Salvador’s U.S.-backed military, in which case excuses and distortions pour forth from then-U.N. Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick (“these nuns were not just nuns; they were also political activists”) and Secretary of State Al Haig (the nuns “may have tried to run a roadblock”).
6. One who designates civilians as “soft targets” to be attacked in the cause of political transformation -- unless the targets are Nicaraguans killed by Contra guerrillas armed and directed by the U.S who, according to Human Rights Watch, “systematically engage in violent abuses…so prevalent that these may be said to be their principal means of waging war.”
7. One who facilitates a massacre of civilians -- unless the victims are 900 Palestinians shot and hacked to death in the Sabra and Shatila camps by Lebanese Christian militia as Israeli soldiers stood guard, in which case Israel’s then-Defense Minster (now Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon remains a U.S. “War on Terrorism” ally after being censured as indirectly responsible for the massacre by an Israeli commission of inquiry.
Jeff Cohen founded FAIR in 1986. He served as the group's executive director for a number of years, and later on its board of directors. Upon taking a full time job with MSNBC in May 2002, Cohen stepped down from FAIR's board.
At MSNBC, Cohen was a senior producer on Donahue and an on-air commentator. Over the years, he has been a frequent guest on national TV and radio, including Today, Larry King Live, Donahue, C-SPAN and NPR. Formerly, he was a regular panelist on Fox News Channel's News Watch. He has served as the co-host of CNN's Crossfire.
by Jeff Cohen
ter·ror·ist (ter'er-ist) n. 1. One who engages in acts or an act of terrorism.
2. One who leads an armed group that kills civilians as a means of political intimidation -- unless he terrorizes Haitians while on the CIA-payroll, as did 1990s death squad leader Emmanuel Constant, in which case the U.S. refuses to extradite him to Haiti, even after Sept. 11, 2001.
3. One who targets civilian airliners and ships -- unless he blows up a Cuban civilian airliner, killing 73 people, and fires at a Polish freighter, like Orlando Bosch, in which case he is coddled and paroled by the Bush Justice Department in 1990, and his extradition is blocked.
4. One who leads a group that engages in kidnapping and murder -- unless the victims are Hondurans attacked by CIA-backed death squad Battalion 316, in which case Battalion architect Gustavo Alvarez becomes a Pentagon consultant, while the then-ambassador to Honduras who downplayed the terror, John Negroponte, is appointed U.S. ambassador to the United Nations days after Sept. 11.
5. One who uses rape and murder for political purposes -- unless the victims are four U.S. church women sexually assaulted and killed in 1980 by members of El Salvador’s U.S.-backed military, in which case excuses and distortions pour forth from then-U.N. Ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick (“these nuns were not just nuns; they were also political activists”) and Secretary of State Al Haig (the nuns “may have tried to run a roadblock”).
6. One who designates civilians as “soft targets” to be attacked in the cause of political transformation -- unless the targets are Nicaraguans killed by Contra guerrillas armed and directed by the U.S who, according to Human Rights Watch, “systematically engage in violent abuses…so prevalent that these may be said to be their principal means of waging war.”
7. One who facilitates a massacre of civilians -- unless the victims are 900 Palestinians shot and hacked to death in the Sabra and Shatila camps by Lebanese Christian militia as Israeli soldiers stood guard, in which case Israel’s then-Defense Minster (now Prime Minister) Ariel Sharon remains a U.S. “War on Terrorism” ally after being censured as indirectly responsible for the massacre by an Israeli commission of inquiry.
Jeff Cohen founded FAIR in 1986. He served as the group's executive director for a number of years, and later on its board of directors. Upon taking a full time job with MSNBC in May 2002, Cohen stepped down from FAIR's board.
At MSNBC, Cohen was a senior producer on Donahue and an on-air commentator. Over the years, he has been a frequent guest on national TV and radio, including Today, Larry King Live, Donahue, C-SPAN and NPR. Formerly, he was a regular panelist on Fox News Channel's News Watch. He has served as the co-host of CNN's Crossfire.
by most people's definitions Bush would fit in nicely.usmarine2005 wrote:
...and people who name themselves after American Idol fudge packers.Sanjaya wrote:
Bush.
They always have an AK47 or variant of some type, or is that just stereotypical?
" Wit "unfortunately seems a relative term.CommieChipmunk wrote:
by most people's definitions Bush would fit in nicely.usmarine2005 wrote:
...and people who name themselves after American Idol fudge packers.Sanjaya wrote:
Bush.
stereotypicalCaptainMike wrote:
They always have an AK47 or variant of some type, or is that just stereotypical?
I'll one up that.Sanjaya wrote:
Bush.
liberals.
/thread
kk, then I'll one up that.The_Mac wrote:
I'll one up that.Sanjaya wrote:
Bush.
liberals.
/thread
Conservatives.
erm....CommieChipmunk wrote:
kk, then I'll one up that.The_Mac wrote:
I'll one up that.Sanjaya wrote:
Bush.
liberals.
/thread
Conservatives.
Clinton
Back to bushusmarine2005 wrote:
erm....CommieChipmunk wrote:
kk, then I'll one up that.The_Mac wrote:
I'll one up that.
liberals.
/thread
Conservatives.
Clinton
durka durka islama-blowup-a-marketplace-full-of-civilians-labalad
sums up my thoughts.
sums up my thoughts.
A person who uses force against or threatens to use for against civilians or civilian property for political gain.
You don't think acts of this kind and of this regularity and magnitude are worth reporting? The rest of the world is getting the same news you know - and we don't have votes in the US general and presidential elections. Do you want to just blinker yourself to the realities of Iraq or what? An American does not have to rely on US news sources anymore since Al Gore invented the internet - news from Iraq would filter through irrespective. Al Gore wasn't born in time to develop the internet for use during WWII - hence the ease with which information could be suppressed.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
further the only goal of the Terrorist is to achieve publicity for the act.Kmarion wrote:
Intentionally attacking civilians, motivated by politics or an ideological goal.
Simply put, No cameras = Unsuccessful.
After WWII when Guerilla activity took place in Germany, The Allies were adamant that it not be publicized. Today’s U.S. media has very obvious political motives.
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