Maybe but it helps people, and it's better than nothing (or than Scientology).Yaocelotl wrote:
Psychiatrists openly admitting at the 2006 APA convention that they have no scientific tests to prove mental illness and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses.
I have always knew and believed that because there isn't a model from where to judge which people are "crazy" and which ones are "sane".
They don't feel, they are forced to feel via medication or just by simply venting out. But the issue here is that they don't, by any manners, have a proof to say that someone is nuts.Hurricane wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a lie... why do some people who are chronically depressed feel better after good therapy and/or good medicinal treatment?
Damn! You beat me to it!mikeyb118 wrote:
Yeah and they caused the Holocaust too , just like the Scientolologists tell us.
Thomas Szasz wrote:
If you talk to God, you are praying;
If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
It doesn't matter... you simply don't get it.Yaocelotl wrote:
They don't feel, they are forced to feel via medication or just by simply venting out. But the issue here is that they don't, by any manners, have a proof to say that someone is nuts.Hurricane wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a lie... why do some people who are chronically depressed feel better after good therapy and/or good medicinal treatment?
"The challenge is to find the medication which helps you to live with schizophrenia in the best possible way, with the least side-effects possible."
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Are you still taking meds? Those things are very dangerous in long term use.CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression that almost crippled my life at one point nearly 7 years ago. I had always had it but not realised it. Medical science has made my life full and rewarding, something I viewed as inconceivable before that. I had no real concept of what it was like to be 'happy' or to have 'self esteem'. I am indebted to those who supported me, my own perseverance and recognition of the fact it was a medical condition, my decision to overturn my original stance of not taking medicine and finally to the pharmacists and medical community itself.
I'm guessing his doctor knows better than you.jonsimon wrote:
Are you still taking meds? Those things are very dangerous in long term use.CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression that almost crippled my life at one point nearly 7 years ago. I had always had it but not realised it. Medical science has made my life full and rewarding, something I viewed as inconceivable before that. I had no real concept of what it was like to be 'happy' or to have 'self esteem'. I am indebted to those who supported me, my own perseverance and recognition of the fact it was a medical condition, my decision to overturn my original stance of not taking medicine and finally to the pharmacists and medical community itself.
I'm guessing not. Pharmecuticals are rarely, if ever, tested in long-term studies. Most drugs are very dangerous. After all, you don't ususally think of ingesting chemicals which have a half-life as healthy. Add to that, at least in the states, Doctors face a huge conflict of interests as they are wined and dined (often literally) by big pharma. Medical science isn't science.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I'm guessing his doctor knows better than you.jonsimon wrote:
Are you still taking meds? Those things are very dangerous in long term use.CameronPoe wrote:
I suffer from clinical depression that almost crippled my life at one point nearly 7 years ago. I had always had it but not realised it. Medical science has made my life full and rewarding, something I viewed as inconceivable before that. I had no real concept of what it was like to be 'happy' or to have 'self esteem'. I am indebted to those who supported me, my own perseverance and recognition of the fact it was a medical condition, my decision to overturn my original stance of not taking medicine and finally to the pharmacists and medical community itself.
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I am not going to debate someone else's medical treatment with you, but if you point was that drugs can be dangerous, thanks for enlightening me.jonsimon wrote:
I'm guessing not. Pharmecuticals are rarely, if ever, tested in long-term studies. Most drugs are very dangerous. After all, you don't ususally think of ingesting chemicals which have a half-life as healthy. Add to that, at least in the states, Doctors face a huge conflict of interests as they are wined and dined (often literally) by big pharma. Medical science isn't science.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I'm guessing his doctor knows better than you.jonsimon wrote:
Are you still taking meds? Those things are very dangerous in long term use.
Yeah, I'm sure his doctor knows better than me, just like my dad's doctor did while the lithium my dad was taking fucked him over from the inside.
Thomas Szasz has been saying these things since before Tom Cruise was born. He's not a Scientologist, he's a real person.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I just think people should know this video was produced by Scientologists. I don't know if that was clear to everyone off the bat, but I think everyone should be aware of that. The Citizens Commission for Human Rights is a advocacy group founded by the Church of Scientology. Here's Dr. Thomas Szasz who appeared in the video with one of our favorite fellow debaters.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … icture.jpg
I didn't say he was one. I think its funny that you imply Scientologists aren't real people.san4 wrote:
Thomas Szasz has been saying these things since before Tom Cruise was born. He's not a Scientologist, he's a real person.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I just think people should know this video was produced by Scientologists. I don't know if that was clear to everyone off the bat, but I think everyone should be aware of that. The Citizens Commission for Human Rights is a advocacy group founded by the Church of Scientology. Here's Dr. Thomas Szasz who appeared in the video with one of our favorite fellow debaters.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … icture.jpg
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Lithium is a whole 'nother ball game from what I take. I'm taking a modern SSRI that has little or no side effects whatsoever. To be honest I can hardly remember what it feels like to be in the state I was - all I know is that I'd rather not lapse back into it. The drug is designed to increase the brain's production of serotonin to 'meet demand'. When taken for a considerable period one then ramps off the drug gradually and your brain supposedly picks up the slack of serotonin production. I intend to ramp down soon.jonsimon wrote:
I'm guessing not. Pharmecuticals are rarely, if ever, tested in long-term studies. Most drugs are very dangerous. After all, you don't ususally think of ingesting chemicals which have a half-life as healthy. Add to that, at least in the states, Doctors face a huge conflict of interests as they are wined and dined (often literally) by big pharma. Medical science isn't science.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I'm guessing his doctor knows better than you.jonsimon wrote:
Are you still taking meds? Those things are very dangerous in long term use.
Yeah, I'm sure his doctor knows better than me, just like my dad's doctor did while the lithium my dad was taking fucked him over from the inside.
Are you joking?jonsimon wrote:
... Medical science isn't science.
I really meant to refer to Tom Cruise. Hard to separate the person from the movie characters. Come to think of it, it's probably hard to separate Scientologists from stereotypes of Scientologists.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I didn't say he was one. I think its funny that you imply Scientologists aren't real people.san4 wrote:
Thomas Szasz has been saying these things since before Tom Cruise was born. He's not a Scientologist, he's a real person.cryptofcolumbus wrote:
I just think people should know this video was produced by Scientologists. I don't know if that was clear to everyone off the bat, but I think everyone should be aware of that. The Citizens Commission for Human Rights is a advocacy group founded by the Church of Scientology. Here's Dr. Thomas Szasz who appeared in the video with one of our favorite fellow debaters.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e … icture.jpg
Would you call a person who jumps off a building a sane person? This specific person is a woman, tall and great looking, happily married with 3 children. She had clinical depression, and took daily medication prescribed by her psychiatrist. She was the mother of a friend of mine. She had a normal, happy life.Yaocelotl wrote:
They don't feel, they are forced to feel via medication or just by simply venting out. But the issue here is that they don't, by any manners, have a proof to say that someone is nuts.Hurricane wrote:
I wouldn't go as far as to say it's a lie... why do some people who are chronically depressed feel better after good therapy and/or good medicinal treatment?
