Is the UN becoming another League of Nations

2007-05-15 19:23:21

#1

Yellowman03: Once Again, We Meet at Last; +108|6682|Texas

As the situation intensifies in Iran, and North Korea is blowing up nuclear bombs. I was wondering what other people thought about it. Most of us knew what happend in the 1930's. The League of Nations just asked Germany to quit invading, and it's lack of authority led to WWII. Is the UN's inability to control Iran, and somewhat North Korea going to lead to similar results?

let me hear your voices!!!

-The Yellowman

2007-05-15 19:24:24

#2

Cerpin_Taxt: Member; +155|6650

The UN has too many irrational nations for it to actually be effective.

2007-05-15 19:25:53

#3

jonsimon: Member; +224|6942

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
The UN has too many irrational nations for it to actually be effective.

What makes a nation irrational?

2007-05-15 19:29:32

#4

evilcartman99: The Octagon; +18|6860|da ville, va

Leaning towards yes because they still have time to do something but at the rate they are going, they will be defunct.

2007-05-15 19:34:19

#5

Yellowman03: Once Again, We Meet at Last; +108|6682|Texas

jonsimon wrote:
Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
The UN has too many irrational nations for it to actually be effective.
What makes a nation irrational?

gotta go with jonsimon on this...what DOES make a nation irrational?

2007-05-15 19:38:08

#6

Eagle: Togs8896 is my evil alter ego; +567|7078|New Hampshire, USA

The reason the League of Nations failed was because the country that started it, the U.S., never joined.

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2007-05-15 20:25:44

#7

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7161|US

The UN is still doing a lot of successful humanitarian stuff. Unfortunately, they seem to lack the ability to deal with strong willed nations that have not made territorial grabs.

(voted "leaning towards yes")

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2007-05-15 20:34:54

#8

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6894|Chicago, IL

The UN is a joke.......

France and Germany refuse to act on anything.

Russia (USSR v2.0) sides with our enemies.

India and China (#2 and #3 world powers) dont even bother going to meetings.

UN peacekeeping forces are composed almost entirely of soldiers from the UK and the US.

Each country recieves only one vote, regardless of size and influence.

OPEC nations do not attend.

I can continue if you want more........

2007-05-15 20:43:28

#9

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,073|7219|PNW

Yellowman03 wrote:
jonsimon wrote:
Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
The UN has too many irrational nations for it to actually be effective.
What makes a nation irrational?
gotta go with jonsimon on this...what DOES make a nation irrational?

Soil pollutants.

2007-05-15 23:28:40

#10

herrr_smity: Member; +156|7075|space command ur anus

S.Lythberg wrote:
The UN is a joke.......

France and Germany refuse to act on anything.

Russia (USSR v2.0) sides with our enemies.

India and China (#2 and #3 world powers) dont even bother going to meetings.

UN peacekeeping forces are composed almost entirely of soldiers from the UK and the US.

Each country recieves only one vote, regardless of size and influence.

OPEC nations do not attend.

I can continue if you want more........

1.the us is good at vetoing any thing they don't like
2.and you side withe their enemies
3. yea sure
4.based on what
5.its called democracy, living in the land of freedom and the cradle of democracy you don't seem to know the concept

2007-05-15 23:34:23

#11

maffiaw: ph33r me 傻逼; +40|6868|Melbourne, AUS

From a historical perspective the UN has not been able to mediate any large scale conflicts that even remotely involved influential nations. Even for the most recent Iraq war the UN was completely ignored by all those who participated- directly similar to the League of Nations before World War 2. Japan invades its neighbours, other countries say 'omfg don't do that' but do not act. Same thing, different era.

2007-05-16 00:04:28

#12

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7118|UK

Security council veto vote needed to be scrapped or better yet the permanent members of the security council need to be shown the door.

Not that it will ever happen...so it will plod on until ww3 with its wings clipped because of the selfishness of those 5 members.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2007-05-16 01:36:28

#13

BVC: Member; +325|7142

One word.

Veto.

2007-05-16 04:25:48

#14

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|7122|Canberra, AUS

Pubic wrote:
One word.

Veto.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-05-16 04:27:20

#15

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|7163

UN is the new league of nations... It's original intention was to be like the league of nations.

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2007-05-16 05:23:13

#16

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7154|67.222.138.85

Though the. U.N. is slightly more effective through its organizations such as N.A.T.O and W.H.O., any organization of a global magnitude that does not have at least minimal direct control of its members will be highly ineffective, at most a common ground where nations could discuss tactics and treaties that they could have come up with on their own.

The nations of the world are not willing to give up their power to a global order anytime in the near future.

2007-05-16 05:26:42

#17

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7028|SE London

S.Lythberg wrote:
The UN is a joke.......

France and Germany refuse to act on anything.

Russia (USSR v2.0) sides with our enemies.

India and China (#2 and #3 world powers) dont even bother going to meetings.

UN peacekeeping forces are composed almost entirely of soldiers from the UK and the US.

Each country recieves only one vote, regardless of size and influence.

OPEC nations do not attend.

I can continue if you want more........

That's bullshit.

France and Germany refuse to act on anything? Germany have very little say, since they are not a member of the security council. France have used their veto less than any other nation, I believe. It is the US who blocks the majority of resolutions, it used to be the USSR who blocked everything.

UN peacekeeping forces are NOT composed almost entirely of US and UK forces. France play a major peacekeeping role in the Middle East and Africa. As do a number of other nations.

Nations with more power and influence are members of the security council who have considerably more power at the UN.

India and China DO attend.

OPEC nations DO attend.

You can continue more if you want, it doesn't make what you are saying true.

2007-05-16 05:29:57

#18

|BFC|Icenflame: Member; +11|6923|Cape Town - South Africa

m3thod wrote:
Security council veto vote needed to be scrapped or better yet the permanent members of the security council need to be shown the door.

Not that it will ever happen...so it will plod on until ww3 with its wings clipped because of the selfishness of those 5 members.

*clap* *clap*

The fact that no action was taken against the USA for breaking international laws regarding military actions shows that the UN is not effective enough. To much power is given to the security council to make decisions when all member states should have a say.

But alas the US maintains its power of VETO its a case of the "big kid in the playground with all the small kids power will be abused!"

2007-05-16 05:32:07

#19

Vernedead: Cossack; +21|6680|Albion

the UN was not intended to be a pancea for all the worlds ills. its intention was to stop small brushfire war's starting conflicts between the great powers of the world, ie the veto members. in this it has largely been a sucess. Iran and North Korea, despite the dangers they pose to everyone have little chance of kicking off world war 3. Bejing is not going to commit suicide for Pyongyang and Iran doesn't have a friend in the world.

2007-05-16 05:39:34

#20

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7002

No point having a UN until hypocrisy is banished from the surface of the earth, vetoes are removed and the organisation is given a lot LESS power.

2007-05-16 05:41:44

#21

|BFC|Icenflame: Member; +11|6923|Cape Town - South Africa

CameronPoe wrote:
No point having a UN until hypocrisy is banished from the surface of the earth, vetoes are removed and the organisation is given a lot LESS power.

by organization are you referring to the US of A? hehehe :p sorry couldn't resist.

2007-05-16 05:41:55

#22

JahManRed: wank; +646|7075|IRELAND

We don't need to be looking at controlling countries.
We have to look at why these countries do what they do. Stop those reasons and you nip these 'situations' in the bud.

Stop the interfering in other sovereign nations business.
Stop labeling countries with tags like 'Axis of Evil'.
Stop pushing foreign polices on nations who don't want them.
Stop being aggressive and interfering.
Stop the threats.

If their wasn't a power struggle for influence and control of the middle east, then surrounding countries or members of the Axis of Evil wouldn't be clambering to arm and defend themselves.

2007-05-16 05:43:54

#23

Vernedead: Cossack; +21|6680|Albion

"tis better in the mind to suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, or to take arms against a sea of troubles and by opposing end them … But you don't do either. Neither suffer nor oppose. You just dream you can abolish the slings and arrows. It's too easy."

Last edited by Vernedead (2007-05-16 05:44:21)

2007-05-16 05:43:55

#24

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7002

|BFC|Icenflame wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
No point having a UN until hypocrisy is banished from the surface of the earth, vetoes are removed and the organisation is given a lot LESS power.
by organization are you referring to the US of A? hehehe :p sorry couldn't resist.

lol. No I mean the entire organisation as a whole.

2007-05-16 21:23:48

#25

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7048|132 and Bush

Yellowman03 wrote:
jonsimon wrote:
Cerpin_Taxt wrote:
The UN has too many irrational nations for it to actually be effective.
What makes a nation irrational?
gotta go with jonsimon on this...what DOES make a nation irrational?

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