Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
That'd be nice, but obviously, too idealistic. Humans by nature are greedy, selfish, etc, as a resultblademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
As for the the amount of evil in order to do good - We need evil to show us "the error of our ways." People generally take things for granted, and only begin to realize the importance of such things AFTER something bad happened to it. i.e. Although I don't really see GW as a huge issue as of now, I'm gonna probably slap my forehead if I find out that it's going to completely ravage our planet. The "evil" we perceive acts as a foil to the good we more often than not forget, to emphasize it and give some kind of hope that we can afterall do some good.
As seen throughout many works, you can say the human race is a virus of the sort. Human nature and Nature is just mounting an immune response to people. Strange view? Yes.
there's enough stuff on this planet for 5 billion people, and 7 billion people want stuff, so naturally, some must lose. Unfortunately, losing at the game of life means you die.
And remember this:
The good men do is oft interred with their bones.
The evil that men do lives on.
And remember this:
The good men do is oft interred with their bones.
The evil that men do lives on.
But why cant we all work as one to progress humanity? (nations should be able to maintain their cultures and religions, languages and so on.) but work as one to progress and support the HUMAN race.
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...Huh! What is it good for?
no.blademaster wrote:
But why cant we all work as one to progress humanity? (nations should be able to maintain their cultures and religions, languages and so on.) but work as one to progress and support the HUMAN race.
read my last post. if we stopped having 5 or 6 babies to a family in developing countries, the violence would end.
You don't see stable countries with sustainable birthrates having genocides and civil wars now do you?
No. As long as there are human beings on the planet there will be fighting. The most we can do is to not let the fighting destroy everything.blademaster wrote:
Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
yeah you do, U.S. had a civil war so did all the other great countries at one time or the otherS.Lythberg wrote:
no.blademaster wrote:
But why cant we all work as one to progress humanity? (nations should be able to maintain their cultures and religions, languages and so on.) but work as one to progress and support the HUMAN race.
read my last post. if we stopped having 5 or 6 babies to a family in developing countries, the violence would end.
You don't see stable countries with sustainable birthrates having genocides and civil wars now do you?
Self interest. Humans by nature will do whatever it takes to fulfill their own passions and interests before others. It really can't be helped. In small groups and affiliations, it's possible to work together and create a "utopia" of a sort. These small groups have less people to try and achieve their own selfish goals which helps them work together to achieve what they want. Expand that group to many people and you'll see that people can't work together because so many different people want so many different interests. Then you'll see factions within that group form, and a cycle continues.blademaster wrote:
But why cant we all work as one to progress humanity? (nations should be able to maintain their cultures and religions, languages and so on.) but work as one to progress and support the HUMAN race.
Different societies and economic situations don't help either.
Furthermore, the fact that nations can maintain their own cultures, religions, and languages is a reason that we has humans can't progress together. Although there will always be people willing to tolerate and/or accept differences, there will always be a very small minority unwilling to embrace foreign ideas. It also helps to have an universal language if you want to get anything done. One reason why unions in the US early on couldn't organize well against trusts wasn't only that the government would break the strikes but because the influx of various immigrants from various backgrounds prevented people from finding a common ground. It's harder to organize if you can't communicate effectively.
Absolutely nothing,Scorpion0x17 wrote:
...Huh! What is it good for?
You can kind of argue that the U.S. was not stable at the time of the Civil War, and nor were the other nations. As a general rule, when a nation is unstable, it will, like an unstable chemical compound, explode. The U.S. around the time of the US Civil War can be argued to be unstable mainly because of the debate over slavery in new territory. There was no mention of whether the Constitution allowed for slavery in new territory, nor did the Missouri Compromise state what would happen to territory beyond the Lousiana Territory. Generally, people can't be stable when the country itself is unstable and go hysterical. So when they couldn't find a law that laid out the ground rules for slavery in territories, they did what people generally do - panic.blademaster wrote:
yeah you do, U.S. had a civil war so did all the other great countries at one time or the otherS.Lythberg wrote:
no.blademaster wrote:
But why cant we all work as one to progress humanity? (nations should be able to maintain their cultures and religions, languages and so on.) but work as one to progress and support the HUMAN race.
read my last post. if we stopped having 5 or 6 babies to a family in developing countries, the violence would end.
You don't see stable countries with sustainable birthrates having genocides and civil wars now do you?
You would have millions of solders unemployed and needing somehow to vent the kind of pent up testosterone that only military life can release. Half of California and other hardware manufacturing areas would be out of work. The Israelis would get really board really quickly....................blademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
Naïveté...blademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
I mean, surely. Self interest, yes?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
...Huh! What is it good for?
First thing I thought of when I saw the title
Say it again, y'all.apollo_fi wrote:
Absolutely nothing,
That would be wonderful, but you need to wake up and notice the world. My one friend suggested banning war. How the fuck are you gonna keep that enforced? Its impossible, war is always gonna be here.blademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
WAR!HunterOfSkulls wrote:
Say it again, y'all.apollo_fi wrote:
Absolutely nothing,
Huh, good God Y'all.
I love the "Too idealistic" response. Someone suggests peace? Too idealistic. Someone suggests cutting military budget? Too idealistic. Where is the proof that humans are by nature greedy and selfish? Just because some ratty old enlightenment thinker mistakenly thought that humanity would fall into chaos if it were not governed sternly does not make the notion true. Quite the opposite, if man were inherently prone to destruction, how could any society exist? Man is prone to moderation between all extremes, and as such, is wholly capable of choosing peace over violence.Smithereener wrote:
That'd be nice, but obviously, too idealistic. Humans by nature are greedy, selfish, etc, as a resultblademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
Everyone in power that is able to start wars is already a sick and greedy person. Normal people are what this world is about. but normal people dont own a bunch of stuff.
Sounds like a quote from Miss America Pagentblademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
agreedSEREMAKER wrote:
Sounds like a quote from Miss America Pagentblademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
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Suggesting peace isn't idealistic. Suggesting peace throughout the world and ending all conflict like the OP is idealistic and naive. Where is the proof? All around us. People will always do things to preserve themselves and their interests. And just because something is by nature greedy and selfish does not mean that they cannot do the other because humans have a conscience. I agree, man is capable of choosing peace over violence, but we often choose the latter, often times because we want to spread our individual ideals to others.jonsimon wrote:
I love the "Too idealistic" response. Someone suggests peace? Too idealistic. Someone suggests cutting military budget? Too idealistic. Where is the proof that humans are by nature greedy and selfish? Just because some ratty old enlightenment thinker mistakenly thought that humanity would fall into chaos if it were not governed sternly does not make the notion true. Quite the opposite, if man were inherently prone to destruction, how could any society exist? Man is prone to moderation between all extremes, and as such, is wholly capable of choosing peace over violence.Smithereener wrote:
That'd be nice, but obviously, too idealistic. Humans by nature are greedy, selfish, etc, as a resultblademaster wrote:
Do you think we as human beings need to think about killing?How much much EVIL must we do in order to do good?Cant we just all get along as one race HUMAN race?
Man may be prone to destruction, but are capable of limiting that leaning. I would much rather be at home all day or go out with good friends than go to school. I'd think it'd be hard to find someone who would honestly like to work hard than play. And we know, that ultimately, playing all day and working none will result in my destruction as a person who can contribute the the good of the world. But how come I still go to school? Because I don't want cause my own downfall. I'm still, by nature, lazy and unwilling to work, but my conscience tells me that I have to keep working.
Furthermore, the capacity to choose between good and evil means nothing. It's like saying a person with a backwards life had the potential to be something better. And? Potential and the capacity to choose mean nothing if nothing is ever realized. Sure, man may be able to choose from good and evil, but more often than not, the way that is the shortest and easiest is chosen, most often being the "bad" path. It's in nature all around us. The path of least resistance. Just because a person could help up a person who got knocked down by another doesn't mean he will. And most people won't. They'll walk by because it's easier. People often begin wars to spread their doctrine or beliefs. The War in Iraq - a war to spread democracy to Iraq. Manifest Destiny in the US caused the deaths of numerous Native Americans, because we thought we were destined to reach across the Americas. Thus, humans by nature are selfish.
Society continues to exist because there are enough people to curb their own self interests long enough for it to thrive. That is one of the redeeming qualties of humanity. We have a choice, and although we choose the worse path more often than not, we still choose the "righteous" way.
Violence is the supreme authority, for which all other authorities branch.