The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7172|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark
Whilst looking through another web site of mine l found this topic of conversation. Basicly it says that 84-year old Tul Bahadur Pun can not come into this country because he does'nt have strong ties with the UK, eithen though he holds the Victory Cross!

DailyMail

The old soldier was told: "You have failed to demonstrate that you have strong ties with the UK." He served this country for 18 years and he's been fucked over!

Heres the bloke citation.
No. 10119 Rifleman Tullbahadur Pun, 6th Gurkha Rifles, Indian Army.

In Burma on June 23rd, 1944, a Battalion of the 6th Gurkha Rifles was ordered to attack the Railway Bridge at Mogaung. Immediately the attack developed the enemy opened concentrated and sustained cross fire at close range from a position known as the Red House and from a strong bunker position two hundred yards to the left of it.

So intense was this cross fire that both the leading platoons of 'B' Company, one of which was Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun's, were pinned to the ground and the whole of his Section was wiped out with the exception of himself, the Section commander and one other man. The Section commander immediately led the remaining two men in a charge on the Red House but was at once badly wounded. Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun and his remaining companion continued the charge, but the latter too was immediately wounded.

Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun then seized the Bren Gun, and firing from the hip as he went, continued the charge on this heavily bunkered position alone, in the face of the most shattering concentration of automatic fire, directed straight at him. With the dawn coming up behind him, he presented a perfect target to the Japanese. He had to move for thirty yards over open ground, ankle deep in mud, through shell holes and over fallen trees.

Despite these overwhelming odds, he reached the Red House and closed with the Japanese occupations. He killed three and put five more to flight and captured two light machine guns and much ammunition. He then gave accurate supporting fire from the bunker to the remainder of his platoon which enabled them to reach their objective.

His outstanding courage and superb gallantry in the face of odds which meant almost certain death were most inspiring to all ranks and beyond praise.

A true Hero thats been left in the cold, by the country that he served. I'm shocked and appalled by this decesion and hope the bloke who made gets thrashed! Anyone else think this is shocking, or is it just me?
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7076

Surely the Daily Mail would want him out of the country as he's too brown for them? If it's true, I'd like to see that from some other sauce. Sounds rather odd, considering that we kick no one out of the country these days anyway.
maffiaw
ph33r me 傻逼
+40|6847|Melbourne, AUS
hear hear,
this man obviously braved all odds in service to his country of allegiance. Any accusations of no 'strong ties' is absurd.

talk about total pwnage irl battle
MrE`158
Member
+103|7050
How can someone who served in the Gurkhas, never mind been awarded a VC, not be considered to have ties to Britain?

He was in the British army!  He fought for the damn country, surely he should be allowed stay there if he wants?

That's imbecilic, and I hope that the decision gets enough publicity that someone higher up reverses it.
joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|7025|Cheshire. UK
Now if you came across via the channel tunnel and screamed asylum you would have a 4 bedroomed house all your medical needs fulfilled and the state would pay for everything for you..

But if you win a VC for your country your not allowed anything... no justice

This country has its priorites all wrong...

Rant over sorry !
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7048|London, England
That's right. Allow Chavs to live free and do whatever they want. Allow homegrown terrorists do whatever they want and preach whatever they want. Allow anyone to come here from abroad, legally or illegally and let them do whatever they want. Allow people that can't even speak english live in this country, even if they're dumb as fuck and have no skills and don't do anything but leech off society (applies to Chavs too). But disallow a man who's done the best of the best in the worst war in history for this very country to live in the country that he put his life on the line for.

Britain. You stupid. Fucking. Nation.
The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7172|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark
What has been done from the site l look at is some people have written a letter to there MP to high light this Heros plite. Can l ask the people who are from Blighty to do the same?
If you can please click the link below to find your local MP.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

This is the email l've sent (which l pinched off someone else )
Reference: Tul Bahadur Pun VC

I would be grateful if you'd ask a question of the Home Secretary regarding the reported refusal of the government to grant Mr. Pun permission to live in Britain because he has "failed to demonstrate that [you] have strong ties with the UK" and because 'he had "not produced satisfactory evidence" that he had a "chronic or long term medical condition" and that treatment here would significantly improve his quality of life', despite having heart condition, poor eyesight, asthma, diabetes and high blood pressure which require daily medication.
(Source www.dailymail.co.uk/pa..._id=1811).

I'm aware that the Daily Mail isn't the most solid of sources and perhaps there is more to this story than meets the eye, but with many 'dubious' immigration requests being granted, it seems grotesquely unfair that a VC winner has been refused a home by the country he defended with his life.

As Mr. Pun's life potentially hangs in the balance due to his ill-health, I would request that this question be raised without delay and the decision to refuse permission to allow this hero entry to the UK be reversed.

For your information, please find below the citation for Tul Bahadur Pun's VC:

No. 10119 Rifleman Tullbahadur Pun, 6th Gurkha Rifles, Indian Army.

“In Burma on June 23rd, 1944, a Battalion of the 6th Gurkha Rifles was ordered to attack the Railway Bridge at Mogaung. Immediately the attack developed the enemy opened concentrated and sustained cross fire at close range from a position known as the Red House and from a strong bunker position two hundred yards to the left of it.

So intense was this cross fire that both the leading platoons of 'B' Company, one of which was Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun's, were pinned to the ground and the whole of his Section was wiped out with the exception of himself, the Section commander and one other man. The Section commander immediately led the remaining two men in a charge on the Red House but was at once badly wounded. Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun and his remaining companion continued the charge, but the latter too was immediately wounded.

Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun then seized the Bren Gun, and firing from the hip as he went, continued the charge on this heavily bunkered position alone, in the face of the most shattering concentration of automatic fire, directed straight at him. With the dawn coming up behind him, he presented a perfect target to the Japanese. He had to move for thirty yards over open ground, ankle deep in mud, through shell holes and over fallen trees.

Despite these overwhelming odds, he reached the Red House and closed with the Japanese occupations. He killed three and put five more to flight and captured two light machine guns and much ammunition. He then gave accurate supporting fire from the bunker to the remainder of his platoon which enabled them to reach their objective.

His outstanding courage and superb gallantry in the face of odds which meant almost certain death were most inspiring to all ranks and beyond praise.”

Yours sincerely,
Conker Bollocks

My MP Fiona Mactaggart has alreday got one from me. Thanks to you all!
joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|7025|Cheshire. UK

The_Guardsman wrote:

What has been done from the site l look at is some people have written a letter to there MP to high light this Heros plite. Can l ask the people who are from Blighty to do the same?
If you can please click the link below to find your local MP.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

This is the email l've sent (which l pinched off someone else )
Reference: Tul Bahadur Pun VC

I would be grateful if you'd ask a question of the Home Secretary regarding the reported refusal of the government to grant Mr. Pun permission to live in Britain because he has "failed to demonstrate that [you] have strong ties with the UK" and because 'he had "not produced satisfactory evidence" that he had a "chronic or long term medical condition" and that treatment here would significantly improve his quality of life', despite having heart condition, poor eyesight, asthma, diabetes and high blood pressure which require daily medication.
(Source www.dailymail.co.uk/pa..._id=1811).

I'm aware that the Daily Mail isn't the most solid of sources and perhaps there is more to this story than meets the eye, but with many 'dubious' immigration requests being granted, it seems grotesquely unfair that a VC winner has been refused a home by the country he defended with his life.

As Mr. Pun's life potentially hangs in the balance due to his ill-health, I would request that this question be raised without delay and the decision to refuse permission to allow this hero entry to the UK be reversed.

For your information, please find below the citation for Tul Bahadur Pun's VC:

No. 10119 Rifleman Tullbahadur Pun, 6th Gurkha Rifles, Indian Army.

“In Burma on June 23rd, 1944, a Battalion of the 6th Gurkha Rifles was ordered to attack the Railway Bridge at Mogaung. Immediately the attack developed the enemy opened concentrated and sustained cross fire at close range from a position known as the Red House and from a strong bunker position two hundred yards to the left of it.

So intense was this cross fire that both the leading platoons of 'B' Company, one of which was Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun's, were pinned to the ground and the whole of his Section was wiped out with the exception of himself, the Section commander and one other man. The Section commander immediately led the remaining two men in a charge on the Red House but was at once badly wounded. Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun and his remaining companion continued the charge, but the latter too was immediately wounded.

Rifleman Tulbahadur Pun then seized the Bren Gun, and firing from the hip as he went, continued the charge on this heavily bunkered position alone, in the face of the most shattering concentration of automatic fire, directed straight at him. With the dawn coming up behind him, he presented a perfect target to the Japanese. He had to move for thirty yards over open ground, ankle deep in mud, through shell holes and over fallen trees.

Despite these overwhelming odds, he reached the Red House and closed with the Japanese occupations. He killed three and put five more to flight and captured two light machine guns and much ammunition. He then gave accurate supporting fire from the bunker to the remainder of his platoon which enabled them to reach their objective.

His outstanding courage and superb gallantry in the face of odds which meant almost certain death were most inspiring to all ranks and beyond praise.”

Yours sincerely,
Conker Bollocks

My MP Fiona Mactaggart has alreday got one from me. Thanks to you all!
Hope you dont mind if I dont sign mine as Conker Bollocks!!
The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7172|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark
Not at all dear boy
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988

MrE`158 wrote:

He was in the British army!
No, he was in the Indian army.
joker3327
=IBF2=
+305|7025|Cheshire. UK
Done posted to my MP ..

I have also started an online Petition at http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/

Confirm your new petition to the Prime Minister - 'Grant VC Gurkha Hero Tul Bahadur Pun British Citizenship'

  Your petition reads:

    We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to Grant VC
    Gurkha Hero Tul Bahadur Pun British Citizenship

    As Mr. Pun's life potentially hangs in the balance due to his
    ill-health, I would request that this question be raised
    without delay and the decision to refuse permission to allow
    this hero entry to the UK be reversed.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a … ge_id=1811

    Cut and Paste for the full story

    Thank you for submitting your petition.

    [ This email has been automatically sent by the Number 10
    petitions system ]

The system says it will take upto 5 days for the petition to become live...I will post the link when it does


In the meantime

Why not email The PM

http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Email_The_PM_Form.asp

Last edited by joker3327 (2007-05-25 06:55:34)

The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7172|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark

ghettoperson wrote:

If it's true, I'd like to see that from some other sauce. .
Here you go old boy!
Dailyindia


Gleaming Joker, good effort... Hopefully it will do some good!
The_Guardsman
Tally Ho!!
+81|7172|I'm not sure.... Buts its dark
Just found a petition on this heros problems and a large number of other Gurkhas that servered this country.
If you chaps can sign then that would be rather spiffing!
petition

And heres a Wiki entry on the Hero in question
wikientry

Last edited by The_Guardsman (2007-05-25 11:28:33)

MrE`158
Member
+103|7050

Bubbalo wrote:

MrE`158 wrote:

He was in the British army!
No, he was in the Indian army.
In 1944 the 6th Gurkha Rifles were a part of the British Indian Army.  Yes, this army was raised from the Indian populace, but it was an army in the service of the British Empire, and considered part of the British Army.

When India gained independence, the 6th Gurkha Rifles were one of the four Gurkha regiments which were assigned to the British Army, rather than the newly formed Indian Army.

When he was awarded the VC he was certainly part of the Army of the British Empire, and even after India gained its independence, his particular regiment was moved to the British Army.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6879|Cambridge, UK

A full UK passport/citizenship should have come with the VC (or any serious awards)
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988

MrE`158 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

MrE`158 wrote:

He was in the British army!
No, he was in the Indian army.
In 1944 the 6th Gurkha Rifles were a part of the British Indian Army.  Yes, this army was raised from the Indian populace, but it was an army in the service of the British Empire, and considered part of the British Army.

When India gained independence, the 6th Gurkha Rifles were one of the four Gurkha regiments which were assigned to the British Army, rather than the newly formed Indian Army.

When he was awarded the VC he was certainly part of the Army of the British Empire, and even after India gained its independence, his particular regiment was moved to the British Army.
The army of the British Empire is not the British army.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7198|PNW

Wait...I thought only Americans did stuff like that.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
+541|6988

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Wait...I thought only Americans did stuff like that.
I'm so sick of people posting this shit.  Who has ever said that?
PureFodder
Member
+225|6712
The Daily Mail demand someone is allowed immigration.....

[Checks out of the window for the other three hoursemen]

Nope, false alarm.
BVC
Member
+325|7122
A punch in the face for whoever made that decision!
{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy
Member
+69|7135|th3 unkn0wn
And the shame continues a year on

http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/liv … rtComments
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6927|so randum

PureFodder wrote:

The Daily Mail demand someone is allowed immigration.....

[Checks out of the window for the other three hoursemen]

Nope, false alarm.
Lol, but yeh.

This is pretty old i think, if it's the story i think i've read.

Watched a program a while ago about ex-gurkhas, sad how some of them are treated now-a-days, considering the contribution they made for this country.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7048|London, England
I don't know why this place seems to shit on deserving people and then give everything to people who don't. If I remember correctly, Harry (Prince) served with the Gurkhas in Afghanistan, I wonder what he has to say on this. I think someone of that stature is what they need to be finally not treated like shit from the government.

I know Bubbles has gone AWOL but

Bubbalo wrote:

MrE`158 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:


No, he was in the Indian army.
In 1944 the 6th Gurkha Rifles were a part of the British Indian Army.  Yes, this army was raised from the Indian populace, but it was an army in the service of the British Empire, and considered part of the British Army.

When India gained independence, the 6th Gurkha Rifles were one of the four Gurkha regiments which were assigned to the British Army, rather than the newly formed Indian Army.

When he was awarded the VC he was certainly part of the Army of the British Empire, and even after India gained its independence, his particular regiment was moved to the British Army.
The army of the British Empire is not the British army.
Back then it was all the same. And even today the Gurkhas are recruited into the British and Indian armies respectively.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6992|England

Disgusted when I heard it on the news the other day. There is not a single post on that dailymail link that supports this "government".
cablecopulate
Member
+449|7164|Massachusetts.
I thought Gurkha was an offensive term?

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