BF2S Forums Finally a 7.62mm ambidextrous bullpup rifle

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

what happens when carbon builds up and the shells refuse to eject?  i dont like it.  that donnage juust falls out, it doesnt get pushed out.


then again im not a fan of bullpups

It seems that the casing eject, but are held in some chamber. When enough of them are ejected, they eventually just fall out.

Just think of it as a storage chamber for your expended round casings.

M.O.A.B wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

what happens when carbon builds up and the shells refuse to eject?  i dont like it.  that donnage juust falls out, it doesnt get pushed out.


then again im not a fan of bullpups

The guy in my book doesn't like them either because they're heavy toward the rear, and much louder for going off next to your ear, plus getting hit by flying brass.

Also I noticed tht one of the ejected rouns didn't fall out straight away.

I looked at the diagram on it.  Above the barrell, where the brass falls out at, is a tube.  When the brass is extracted from the chamber, instead of ejecting it sideways, it gets pushed into this tube.  The tube is long enough to hold five or six pieces of brass, but the force of the just shot brass is enough to push the others out the front of the tube.  My big concern would be for people having to fire up.  Is there anything to keep the brass from falling back toward the chamber and bolt?

M.O.A.B wrote:

imortal wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

The guy in my book doesn't like them either because they're heavy toward the rear, and much louder for going off next to your ear, plus getting hit by flying brass.

Also I noticed tht one of the ejected rouns didn't fall out straight away.

I looked at the diagram on it.  Above the barrell, where the brass falls out at, is a tube.  When the brass is extracted from the chamber, instead of ejecting it sideways, it gets pushed into this tube.  The tube is long enough to hold five or six pieces of brass, but the force of the just shot brass is enough to push the others out the front of the tube.  My big concern would be for people having to fire up.  Is there anything to keep the brass from falling back toward the chamber and bolt?

That's a good point, if there isn't then it could damage the bolt, also seeing as the rounds fall from the front would that not make it more difficult to clear a jam?

I don't think they are stupid enough to let it fall back into the chamber.
The tube is there to hold the expended casings, that's all.

That is a cool gun! I want one

M.O.A.B wrote:

imortal wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

The guy in my book doesn't like them either because they're heavy toward the rear, and much louder for going off next to your ear, plus getting hit by flying brass.

Also I noticed tht one of the ejected rouns didn't fall out straight away.

I looked at the diagram on it.  Above the barrell, where the brass falls out at, is a tube.  When the brass is extracted from the chamber, instead of ejecting it sideways, it gets pushed into this tube.  The tube is long enough to hold five or six pieces of brass, but the force of the just shot brass is enough to push the others out the front of the tube.  My big concern would be for people having to fire up.  Is there anything to keep the brass from falling back toward the chamber and bolt?

That's a good point, if there isn't then it could damage the bolt, also seeing as the rounds fall from the front would that not make it more difficult to clear a jam?

True.  If you go here http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/images/downl … 07_web.pdf you can see the design.  I would think it would be more reliable, since you have less chance of the shell ejecting incorrectly.

As to the jam, it depends on what kind of jam or malfunction it is.
A malfunction is a failure of the fireaem to perform one of  the eight actions of cycling; feed, chamber, lock, fire, unlock, extract, eject, and charge.  Most jams are cleared by making sure the magazine is seated, charging the weapon, and trying again to fire.  A really nasty jam usually occurs when the spent brass does not eject properly out of the firearm, and gets in the way when the bolt is chambering the next round.  That seems like it is not a problem for this weapon.  Time will tell, however.

M.O.A.B wrote:

Or a stovepipe jam, simply pull the cocking lever back to clear. As for the rifle, the F2000 ejects its rounds from the front, maybe it uses the same principle.

Yes, it uses the same principle, but it doesn't hold them in the 'storage tube'.
The casings are forced out by something in that tube, unlike the new bullpup.
The casings in the bullpup fall out because the tube is overloaded with casings.

Powerful big knockback though.

The_Guardsman wrote:

I to don't like the fact the round come  out of the front. What happens when there is a build up of carbon and the round does not eject properly how do you clear it? On the British Army rifle if the Cartridge does not eject properly from the side you have to pull the working parts to the rear to release it. Would the same work for this weapon?
The recoil for the rifle is hugh. At close range it would not make much difference, but if you fired this weapon at ranges greater than 100 meters, the accuracy of the firer would go down also you can carry more 5.56 rounds than you can 7.62.
Last but not least, can you fit a bayonet to it?

If you want a rifle with stopping power, but greater accuracy and the ability to carry the same amount of rounds if slightly less than 5.56, then rifle is for you. Granted its not bull-pop, but these type of rifles have had no end of problems. The SA80 had to be given to H&K to improve.

The rifle fires 6.8mm rounds those having greater stopping power and able to carry a 30 round mag.

Spiffing_rifle

Ah, yes, the new barrett?  I would love it.  And the recoil would only affect your aim in rapid or automatic fire.  Firing on semi, recoil would only prevent you from re-aquiring your target.

There has been lots of talk about carbon buildup lately.  I can forgive the military personell, especially those who have done a lot of training.  You see, the blanks we use to train with are a very dirty powder, and the powder is directed back into the bolt and chamber area by the blank adapter to give it enough energy to cycle the gas mechanism.  Real rounds, on the other hand, have nearly all of its powder expelled out the bore behind the bullet.  I do not think carbon buildup is the issue some here are worrying about.  And I say this after more than a dozen years in the army, more than a year working at shooting ranges, and being a gun owner for the last 17 years.

Oh, and you CAN fit a bayonett to it.  In fact, Kel Tec makes a folding bayonett.  You can also have different barrell lengths.
There is a charging handle on the weapon, of course, but how to clear unusual malfunctions is something we do not yet know.  Give it time.

The_Guardsman wrote:

imortal wrote:

Ah, yes, the new barrett?  I would love it.  And the recoil would only affect your aim in rapid or automatic fire.  Firing on semi, recoil would only prevent you from re-aquiring your target.

There has been lots of talk about carbon buildup lately.  I can forgive the military personell, especially those who have done a lot of training.  You see, the blanks we use to train with are a very dirty powder, and the powder is directed back into the bolt and chamber area by the blank adapter to give it enough energy to cycle the gas mechanism.  Real rounds, on the other hand, have nearly all of its powder expelled out the bore behind the bullet.  I do not think carbon buildup is the issue some here are worrying about.  And I say this after more than a dozen years in the army, more than a year working at shooting ranges, and being a gun owner for the last 17 years.

Oh, and you CAN fit a bayonett to it.  In fact, Kel Tec makes a folding bayonett.  You can also have different barrell lengths.
There is a charging handle on the weapon, of course, but how to clear unusual malfunctions is something we do not yet know.  Give it time.

Yep true, very true... However even if you fire alot of live rounds through a rifle you still get carbon build up and still get stoppages due to it. The British LSW was a bitch for this. Some big fire fights going on at the moment in Afganistan and the such, so it would have an affect. The kick still looks like it could be to much for alot of people though.


Glad you can fit a bayonet to it, but still l think its abit small for that sort of thing, don't you?

Okay, the recoil may be a bit much, granted.  Not for me, but I understand your point.  Please recall I am in America, and I want one for me at home!  And yes, the bayonett is a bit tiny, but how often in the last 35 years has anyone had to actually USE their bayonett on their rifle?

And if they offered the thing in 6.8mm, I would be all over it.

the casing ejection is pretty interesting....but will it give rise to jams?

You know if they made the case ejection fast enough. You could effectively have a sort of 2 at a time volley rifle...thing.

The bullet softens 'em up, the case finishes them off with it's incendiary powers

M.O.A.B wrote:

I thought someone did a bayonet charge a few years ago in Iraq or Afghanistan? Anyway I've wondered what the new Chinese rifle is like to use, never seen any videos of it being fired in rl. The QBZ-95 and QBZ-97/ARC-95 uses 5.8mm, although the QBZ-95 can be converted to 5.56mm to use STANAG magazines. I wonder what the recoil is like on the 5.8mm.

Click the Tally Ho link in my post above... That mentions the Bayonet charge old boy.

Mekstizzle wrote:

David.Podedworny wrote:

Wow but only 20 rounds? The ak has more then that and from the look of it less recoil. Btw 39 or 51 mm?

Looking back. All 7.62x51mm weapons can only have a maximum of 20 rounds or the magazine would be really big. The AK can do 30 rounds because the round is shorter or something. The Bren gun was a gun that had a 30 round magazine with 7.62x51mm (but really .303) but that's why the magazine was on the top because it was huge.

http://www.quarterbore.com/weapons/imag … ipod_2.jpg

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And as a left handed person, i welcome anything that doesn't burn my arm off.

I thought the magizine was ontop because it FED better. after all gravity PULLS it down.