Kmar
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CARACAS (Reuters) - Hours after President Hugo Chavez shut down Venezuela's main opposition broadcaster, his government demanded an investigation of news network Globovision on Monday for allegedly inciting an assassination attempt on the leftist leader.

Chavez took Radio Caracas Television, or RCTV, off the air at midnight on Sunday and replaced it with a state-run channel to promote his socialist programs. The move sparked international condemnation and accusations from the opposition that he was undermining democracy in the
OPEC nation.

Protests over the closure of RCTV, Venezuela's oldest private channel, simmered in several Venezuelan cities on Monday. In some locations, the police used tear gas to disperse the crowds.

Seizing on the momentum of RCTV's closure, Communications Minister Willian Lara presented a case to the state prosecutor's office saying experts hired by the ministry had found that opposition broadcaster Globovision was inciting assassination attempts on Chavez.




Just sad. Feel fortunate.
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iamangry
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Its good to see the Venezuelan people aren't like so many others, and make a stand when they realize they are being oppressed.  I think this is refreshing news.  +1 to the people of Venezuela for standing up for their rights!
T.Pike
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iamangry wrote:

Its good to see the Venezuelan people aren't like so many others, and make a stand when they realize they are being oppressed.  I think this is refreshing news.  +1 to the people of Venezuela for standing up for their rights!
I'd read more carefully or check other sources.

Although there were a lot of protestors the accounts I've read stated more people "celebrated" the new TV station.

Apparently in some square or something hude screens were set up so people could watch the change over.
unnamednewbie13
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That's all well and fine, but he's still no Idi Amin.
Kmar
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T.Pike wrote:

iamangry wrote:

Its good to see the Venezuelan people aren't like so many others, and make a stand when they realize they are being oppressed.  I think this is refreshing news.  +1 to the people of Venezuela for standing up for their rights!
I'd read more carefully or check other sources.

Although there were a lot of protestors the accounts I've read stated more people "celebrated" the new TV station.

Apparently in some square or something hude screens were set up so people could watch the change over.
lol.. more like celebrate or get gassed. Maybe Bush should shut down every media outlet and just leave Fox news up.

Want more sources?
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/new … LCFQAAAA@@
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Yaocelotl
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I dunno why the Venezuelans are complaining, they fucking reelected him!!!
KEN-JENNINGS
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Kmarion wrote:

Inciting an assassination attempt.. pfft f#*kng Chavez.

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CARACAS (Reuters) - Hours after President Hugo Chavez shut down Venezuela's main opposition broadcaster, his government demanded an investigation of news network Globovision on Monday for allegedly inciting an assassination attempt on the leftist leader.

Chavez took Radio Caracas Television, or RCTV, off the air at midnight on Sunday and replaced it with a state-run channel to promote his socialist programs. The move sparked international condemnation and accusations from the opposition that he was undermining democracy in the
OPEC nation.

Protests over the closure of RCTV, Venezuela's oldest private channel, simmered in several Venezuelan cities on Monday. In some locations, the police used tear gas to disperse the crowds.

Seizing on the momentum of RCTV's closure, Communications Minister Willian Lara presented a case to the state prosecutor's office saying experts hired by the ministry had found that opposition broadcaster Globovision was inciting assassination attempts on Chavez.




Just sad. Feel fortunate.
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Now for the real story

The Venezuelan equivalent of the FCC refused to renew the license for this station because of it's support for an illegal coup attempt.  It's not like he (Chavez) just decided to take away their ability to operate; this has been playing out in various levels of the Venezuelan Judicial System for months.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3107

"The story is framed in U.S. news media as a simple matter of censorship: Prominent Venezuelan TV station RCTV is being silenced by the authoritarian government of President Hugo Chávez, who is punishing the station for its political criticism of his government."

"In keeping with the media script that has bad guy Chávez brutishly silencing good guys in the democratic opposition, all these articles skimmed lightly over RCTV's history, the Venezuelan government's explanation for the license denial and the process that led to it."

"Were a similar event to happen in the U.S., and TV journalists and executives were caught conspiring with coup plotters, it’s doubtful they would stay out of jail, let alone be allowed to continue to run television stations, as they have in Venezuela"

There is that biased liberal media again!

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

There is that biased liberal media again!
uhhhh no. We are not just talking about a single TV station.

Liberals are on the verge of condemning this as well. So I don't really know what you are trying to get at.
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The video I posted was not of US origin anyways. Did you not have audio?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

"The story is framed in U.S. news media as a simple matter of censorship.
Allow me to post a BBC story since it is so prized in these forums.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6697575.stm

Hundreds of thousands of people took to the streets in Caracas on Sunday, some to celebrate, others to protest that the country's oldest TV network was being stopped from broadcasting on its public channel.

"No to the closure," they shouted. "Freedom," they chanted.

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Opponents denounced what they called
an attack on freedom of speech


"Everyone has the right to watch what they want. He can't take away this channel," Emilio Berraterom said.

"Chavez thinks he owns the country. Well, he doesn't."




Reina Martinez waved her Venezuelan flag in my face. "We were born with RCTV," she said. "We don't agree with this president. He's not our president."

As the afternoon drew on, the protests got louder.


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Venezualan Bloggers: http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/  http://blogs.salon.com/0001330/ 


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Chavez warned (via BBC): "Venezuelan armed forces are ready.
Anyone generating violence will regret it."

/la libertad de expresion
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CameronPoe
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Disgraceful. Up until now I have supported Hugo Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venezuela. This is where that ends. But we all must remember that this is a problem that Venezuelans must solve, not anyone else.
Kmar
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CameronPoe wrote:

This is where that ends. But we all must remember that this is a problem that Venezuelans must solve, not anyone else.
I agree whole heartedly.
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HunterOfSkulls
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What I'm wondering is, say ABC advocated the violent overthrow of the US government, ran stories supporting an active coup against the US government and then ran the movie "Pretty Woman" instead of covering the failure of the coup and the re-establishment of the US government. Do you think the US government would allow them to keep broadcasting for five years until their broadcast contract came up for renewal?

Somehow I doubt it.

This smacks of the sensationalism surrounding the "Chavez is trying to make himself President for Life!!1!oneeleventy1!1" story that turned out to be nothing more than extensions of term limits for anyone voted in as president. My only other wonder in this case is how much of my tax dollars is my government spending trying to make Chavez look like Hitler in the international media.

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Reciprocity
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he's not the worst dictator I can think of but a .308 through his head may solve more problems than it creates.  or not.
CameronPoe
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He ain't a dictator yet.
Reciprocity
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CameronPoe wrote:

He ain't a dictator yet.
yet
JahManRed
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RCTV and other commercial TV stations were key players in the April 2002 coup that briefly ousted Chávez's democratically elected government. During the short-lived insurrection, coup leaders took to commercial TV airwaves to thank the networks. "I must thank Venevisión and RCTV," one grateful leader remarked in an appearance captured in the Irish film The Revolution Will Not Be Televised. The film documents the networks’ participation in the short-lived coup, in which stations put themselves to service as bulletin boards for the coup—hosting coup leaders, silencing government voices and rallying the opposition to a march on the Presidential Palace that was part of the coup plotters strategy.
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=3107
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The polarisation in evidence today, according to Mr Petkoff, was created by a government that reacted
against its adversaries in "a very brutal, aggressive and intolerant way".

"The first criticisms were received with a very tough and even insulting language which started to generate answers in the same tone," he says.

It was also caused, Mr Petkoff says, by the fact that some sectors did not accept that Mr Chavez had won an election in 1998 and designed undemocratic strategies to get rid of him.

"This, fed by an aggressive president, created a terrifying split.

"This is a country in which the opposition and the government do not speak to each other at all. That is very dangerous," he says.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6179612.stm

Total over reaction by Chavez. Though you would be paranoid with the most powerful clandestine operation on earth already attempting to over throw you and half your own population spoiling to do it again.
Bubbalo
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CameronPoe wrote:

Up until now I have supported Hugo Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venezuela. This is where that ends.
You did read the part about them participating in a coup?
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Bubbalo wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Up until now I have supported Hugo Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venezuela. This is where that ends.
You did read the part about them participating in a coup?
I realise that - what I don't like is him moving onto another station straight away. It looks ominous.
ATG
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He's a mental dwarf who likely tortured animals as a boy.
Bubbalo
The Lizzard
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Yes, as compared to the pacifism of Americans .

CamPoe: Fair enough, I was curious on your take on that.
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Kmarion - from the BBC -

"President Hugo Chavez told his supporters to party and that is exactly what they did. But with opponents holding a rival rally not far away, the day ended with scenes of violence and disorder."

""The beautiful revolution," they sang while people dressed in red T-shirts carrying socialist messages, danced away below them.

"This station should be closed," Doris Ramirez told me.

"RCTV does no good for the country. It doesn't represent the people and it disrespects the government."

"I'm from the middle classes but I still vote for him because he's making such a difference. This TV station doesn't tell the truth."

Are you censoring this story too?

Bottom line is this - The station supported an illegal coup (allegedly with the help of US proxies).  The Venezuelan equivalent of the FCC denied the license renewal.  Not Chavez.  This played out in the Judicial System in Venezuela for months, going to different courts.  THE COURTS ruled that the denial of the license renewal was lawful and valid.  If you have a problem with their legal system, fine.  Don't follow the sensationalism and censorship of the media and blame this on Chavez.
Kmar
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Kmarion - from the BBC -

"President Hugo Chavez told his supporters to party and that is exactly what they did. But with opponents holding a rival rally not far away, the day ended with scenes of violence and disorder."

""The beautiful revolution," they sang while people dressed in red T-shirts carrying socialist messages, danced away below them.

"This station should be closed," Doris Ramirez told me.

"RCTV does no good for the country. It doesn't represent the people and it disrespects the government."

"I'm from the middle classes but I still vote for him because he's making such a difference. This TV station doesn't tell the truth."

Are you censoring this story too?

Bottom line is this - The station supported an illegal coup (allegedly with the help of US proxies).  The Venezuelan equivalent of the FCC denied the license renewal.  Not Chavez.  This played out in the Judicial System in Venezuela for months, going to different courts.  THE COURTS ruled that the denial of the license renewal was lawful and valid.  If you have a problem with their legal system, fine.  Don't follow the sensationalism and censorship of the media and blame this on Chavez.
If I were censoring it I wouldn't provided the link for you to read it in it's entirety. Is CNN also responsible for the coup attempt? We are talking about two TV stations now. You have still have not provided any evidence of the stations involvement in the coup. Are we going to allow Nazi era tactics of simply using accusations as evidence. The station is critical of the government, so they must have had a direct role in it . Being "involved" in and assassination attempt now includes accusations of subliminal messages.



Reporters Without Borders continued: “The grounds given for not renewing RCTV’s licence, including its support, along with other media, for the April 2002 coup attempt, are just pretexts. Other privately-owned TV stations that supported the coup attempt have not suffered the same fate because they subsequently adopted a subservient attitude towards the regime.”

Directly or indirectly, President Chávez now controls almost all the broadcast media. RCTV’s closures is not, as he would have people believe, a mere administrative measure. It is a political move designed to reinforce his hegemony over the news media.

This attack on media pluralism is just the latest in a long series of press freedom violations in Venezuela that have included attacks on hundreds of journalists in recent years, a “media social responsibility” law that restricts their programming, criminal code amendments increasing the penalties for press offences, publication of a list of journalists who allegedly “sold out to US interests,” and verbal threats by Chávez against foreign journalists.

“We appeal to the international community to actively condemn this use of force and to defend what remains of the independent media in Venezuela,” Reporters Without Borders added.


Human Rights Watch :“President Hugo Chávez is misusing the state’s regulatory authority to punish a media outlet for its criticism of the government,” said José Miguel Vivanco, Americas director at Human Rights Watch. “The move to shut down RCTV is a serious blow to freedom of expression in Venezuela.”

The White Book accuses RCTV of “inciting rebellion,” showing “lack of respect for authorities and institutions,” breaking the laws protecting minors, engaging in monopolistic practices, and failing to pay taxes. However, it does not cite a single final judicial or administrative ruling establishing that the channel had in fact committed any of these alleged offenses during its 20–year contract. No one from the channel has been convicted for their alleged complicity in the attempted coup.



The "bottom line" is this is what happens when you do not have a separation of power.
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unnamednewbie13
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Yaocelotl wrote:

I dunno why the Venezuelans are complaining, they fucking reelected him!!!
We reelected Bush.
B.Schuss
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Yaocelotl wrote:

I dunno why the Venezuelans are complaining, they fucking reelected him!!!
We reelected Bush.
people get what/who they vote for. If you don't like the way your elected officials behave, elect someone else. After all, it isn't as if Chavez just jumped out of the jungle. Everyone knows what he is about, and they elected him none the less.

I do hope the US will let the Venezuelans decide their own fate. Or is Bush buying Venezuelan oil, too ?

Apart from that, if the courts in Venezuela saw nothing wrong, who are you to judge ? I find your lack of faith in democracy disturbing....
Kmar
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unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Yaocelotl wrote:

I dunno why the Venezuelans are complaining, they fucking reelected him!!!
We reelected Bush.
The National Assembly was elected with less than 15% of the votes cast. I hope to hell it's better next time.
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Sorcerer0513
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Kmarion wrote:

The move sparked international condemnation and accusations from the opposition that he was undermining democracy in the OPEC nation.
Pot. Kettle. Black.

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