So if anything this helps to illustrate that.Varegg wrote:
@Kmarion again: I have no problem believing some people want to harm America, what i question is their ability to do so effectively after 9/11.
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Good point and it might be just so but i`m not surpriced if it isn`t - guess we`ll never know for sure, but that`s the way they want it, like magicians ....Kmarion wrote:
So if anything this helps to illustrate that.Varegg wrote:
@Kmarion again: I have no problem believing some people want to harm America, what i question is their ability to do so effectively after 9/11.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
And now Dick Cheney will pull a rabbit from his hat.Varegg wrote:
Good point and it might be just so but i`m not surpriced if it isn`t - guess we`ll never know for sure, but that`s the way they want it, like magicians ....Kmarion wrote:
So if anything this helps to illustrate that.Varegg wrote:
@Kmarion again: I have no problem believing some people want to harm America, what i question is their ability to do so effectively after 9/11.
Why?iamangry wrote:
And now Dick Cheney will pull a rabbit from his hat.Varegg wrote:
Good point and it might be just so but i`m not surpriced if it isn`t - guess we`ll never know for sure, but that`s the way they want it, like magicians ....Kmarion wrote:
So if anything this helps to illustrate that.
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Annihilating the entire Earth could take some time.Dezerteagal5 wrote:
Ehem... Total Annihalation of all countries that disagree with the work of the USA would sorta solve that problem... But then again some people call me crazy...
Must have been Bushes fault. Oh wait, the attack didn't happen? nvm then
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It's Bush's fault that these guys were arrested.
It's Bush's fault that these guys were arrested.
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It's primarily the work of the intelligence agencies and of other levels of law enforcement that keep us safe from terror. However, I will say that some of the reforms put forth by the Bush administration and by the Democratic Congress have helped make us safer.Kmarion wrote:
Will the media be able to continue to ignore the work the administration has done to defeat these plots on our own soil?
Not at all, although I'm constantly being reminded by people on here how being in Iraq is protecting my freedom. Or something...Kmarion wrote:
Do you think invasions are the only responsibilities of the Presidents administration?ghettoperson wrote:
Are you suggesting that invading Iraq helped this in some way?Will the media be able to continue to ignore the work the administration has done to defeat these plots on our own soil?
All the intelligence agencies were there long before Bush came along, I'm sure they've benefited from his excessive spending and other things he's done, but I'd say for the most part when you think you're at 'war' those are to be expected to happen.
+1 For the Po-Po!
I disagree. There is not an endless supply. Not to mention, by treating terrorists like run of the mill criminals, you remove the glamour and glory of what they do.san4 wrote:
Yet another example of how collecting intelligence stops attacks.Ryan wrote:
At least these terrorists are getting arrested before they attack.
Good work police, keep it up.
Killing terrorists is not an effective way to stop attacks because there is an endless supply of terrorists.
Apples and oranges. By killing terrorists in Iraq, we are making it harder for them to make it out of Iraq and kill people in the rest of the world.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Buddy, there IS a real threat. I don't know what planet you're living on, but there are indeed those who wish to destroy you and your way of life.Varegg wrote:
I call this for what it is, a new part of maintaining the illusion. It`s purpose to keep ensnaring the people to believe there is a real threat.
Not necessarily. But (and this will shock you) the Bush administration DOES do things that have nothing to do with Iraq. Domestic life does go on. This would be an example. And by ignoring the administration's role, his position is weakened and seen as ineffective.ghettoperson wrote:
Are you suggesting that invading Iraq helped this in some way?Will the media be able to continue to ignore the work the administration has done to defeat these plots on our own soil?
Remember, the best terror plots that are broken up are the ones we never hear about. Those who are captured are rendered and interrogated, and new cells and people are put under surveillance. Right or wrong, it works. You can't argue with the results.
Because so many Iraqis get on flights to America every day to come and blow the place up.... one of these shitheads was from Brooklyn for crying out loud.blisteringsilence wrote:
Apples and oranges. By killing terrorists in Iraq, we are making it harder for them to make it out of Iraq and kill people in the rest of the world.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Very true, they know where and how to hit us, They have shown that.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Yet they have not mounted another successful attack on US soil.
Perhaps when sensitive Intel can be released in 20 plus years our kids will realize we hit all the right places.
no one here really knows for sure. That you can count on.
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a) The Iraqis didn't mount an attack on US soil.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Very true, they know where and how to hit us, They have shown that.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Yet they have not mounted another successful attack on US soil.
Perhaps when sensitive Intel can be released in 20 plus years our kids will realize we hit all the right places.
Know one here really knows for sure. That you can count on.
b) Another attack on US soil is INEVITABLE. It doesn't matter what you do in the middle east the US will be bombed/attacked again at some point in the future. It would be pretty moronic to think that it isn't inevitable, especially given the status of your southern border.
It is me or is it just the b-squad that gets picked up? I would be impressed if we nabbed someone who didn't go to the FBI like a moron. Real terrorists have networks setup, they generally don't need outside help. So while these guys, those idiots from florida and jose padilla were busted, the serious ones like 9/11 get through. Interesting. I will buy that Bush's administration is working when we nab osama. no more, no less.
No, I think it just goes to show the rise in Anti-Americanism. Something tells me these guys would have been nabbed pre-9/11. But how can you know right?Kmarion wrote:
So if anything this helps to illustrate that.Varegg wrote:
@Kmarion again: I have no problem believing some people want to harm America, what i question is their ability to do so effectively after 9/11.
I need a multi-dimensional looking glass.
Who is the 'they ' you speak of? You know what I know for sure? That Iraq had jack shit to do with 9/11 and the 'war on terror' and that Bush didnt catch the man responsible for the worst attack on an American city. THATS what I know for sure.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Very true, they know where and how to hit us, They have shown that.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Yet they have not mounted another successful attack on US soil.
Perhaps when sensitive Intel can be released in 20 plus years our kids will realize we hit all the right places.
Know one here really knows for sure. That you can count on.
But its wise for us to sit on our ass's like we did pre-9/11. . . .CameronPoe wrote:
a) The Iraqis didn't mount an attack on US soil.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Very true, they know where and how to hit us, They have shown that.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Yet they have not mounted another successful attack on US soil.
Perhaps when sensitive Intel can be released in 20 plus years our kids will realize we hit all the right places.
Know one here really knows for sure. That you can count on.
b) Another attack on US soil is INEVITABLE. It doesn't matter what you do in the middle east the US will be bombed/attacked again at some point in the future. It would be pretty moronic to think that it isn't inevitable, especially given the status of your southern border.
Simply wait for us to be attacked again?? Is that what you are suggesting???
Thats a failed policy. . . . . I understand Iraq is a ? in regards to the fight on terror, but Afghanistan was a legit target as it housed the worlds worst terrorist organization. . . . I personally think Iraq WAS legit cause Saddam is the definition of what a terrorist is. . . .but thats besides the point.
Terrorism isnt a "police" matter. . . .its a military one!! We as allies need to find and kill these people wherever they plot/train/get their weapons money. . . .Sitting idle waiting for the next attack because its "inevitable" is foolish and unfair to innocent people!!
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They is the people that want to kill us. sorry I lost yougolgoj4 wrote:
Who is the 'they ' you speak of? You know what I know for sure? That Iraq had jack shit to do with 9/11 and the 'war on terror' and that Bush didnt catch the man responsible for the worst attack on an American city. THATS what I know for sure.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
Very true, they know where and how to hit us, They have shown that.CameronPoe wrote:
It's just as well the US are fighting terror in Iraq, otherwise you would never have caught these guys...
Yet they have not mounted another successful attack on US soil.
Perhaps when sensitive Intel can be released in 20 plus years our kids will realize we hit all the right places.
Know one here really knows for sure. That you can count on.
Oh ? Just how do you know this. Remember right up until the 1960s we thoughtgolgoj4 wrote:
You know what I know for sure? That Iraq had jack shit to do with 9/11 and the 'war on terror' and that Bush didnt catch the man responsible for the worst attack on an American city. THATS what I know for sure.
a PBY just stumbled across the Bismarck. what luck !
I knew a guy who was a total scam artist. He told me
“The people who think they know it all are the easiest ones to rip off
and that’s who I go looking for“.
For what its worth.
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I'm sure a lot of people would like to see Osama dead but to put an entire judgment of success on a a single person is silly. Especially considering it is unlikely he is involved in operations.golgoj4 wrote:
It is me or is it just the b-squad that gets picked up? I would be impressed if we nabbed someone who didn't go to the FBI like a moron. Real terrorists have networks setup, they generally don't need outside help. So while these guys, those idiots from florida and jose padilla were busted, the serious ones like 9/11 get through. Interesting. I will buy that Bush's administration is working when we nab osama. no more, no less.
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi
Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
Mullah Dadullah
Abdul Hadi al-Iraqi
Five get life over UK bomb plot
Abu Mustafa al-Sheibani
Masterminded London bombings
Abdul Hadi al Iraqi
Muhammed Abdullah Abbas al-Issawi
Muharib Abdul-Latif al-Jubouri
Abu Sulaiman
Yes all "B Plots".
December 2001: Richard Reid, a British citizen and self-described follower of Osama bin Laden, foiled an attempt to blow up a Paris-to-Miami flight with explosives hidden in his shoes. He pleaded guilty in 2002.
May 2002: Jose Padilla is arrested in Chicago on a return trip from Pakistan. Initially held as an enemy combatant and accused of planning to build a “dirty bomb,” he was formally charged with aiding foreign jihadists in a Miami court in 2005. His trial began May 14.
September 2002: The “Lackawanna Six,” American citizens of Yemeni descent living near Buffalo, N.Y., are arrested for allegedly having attended an al-Qaida camp in Afghanistan in the months before the Sept. 11 attacks. The six pleaded guilty in 2003 to providing material support to a terrorist organization.
May 2003: Iyman Faris of Columbus, Ohio, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Kashmir, pleads guilty to supporting al-Qaida. He was accused of planning to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge. He is sentenced to 20 years.
June 2003: In Virginia, the FBI charges a group of men with being part of a conspiracy to support holy war overseas. In all, 11 men eventually were convicted in what the government described as a “Virginia jihad network” that used paintball games as a form of training.
August 2004: U.S. authorities issue alert, announce evidence of a years-long plot to attack the New York Stock Exchange and other financial institutions in New York, Washington and Newark, N.J. They later accuse plotters of also planning attacks in England. Eventually, five men pleaded guilty in London, where alleged ringleader Dhiren Barot was convicted. At least one other man is awaiting trial.
August 2004: Two men are arrested on the eve of the Republican Convention in New York for allegedly plotting to blow up a busy subway station. James Elshafay, a U.S. citizen, eventually pleaded guilty and testified against the other man, Shahawar Matin Siraj, a Pakistani. Siraj was sentenced to 30 years in prison; Elshavy to five.
August 2004: Authorities arrest two leaders of a mosque in Albany, N.Y., and charge them with aiding in a purported plot to buy a shoulder-fired grenade launcher to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat. The former imam of the Masjid As-Salam mosque, Kurdish refugee Yassin Aref, and Mohammed Hossain, a mosque founder, were later found guilty to counts relating to money laundering and conspiracy.
June 2005: A Pakistani immigrant and his American-born son in Lodi, Calif., are arrested for allegedly lying to the FBI about the younger man’s training at a jihadist camp in Pakistan. Hamid Hayat, the son, was found guilty of supporting terrorism and lying to the FBI. He is seeking a new trial. The case against Umer Hayat, the father, ended in a mistrial; he later pleaded guilty to lying to a customs agent about trying to carry $28,000 into Pakistan.
August 2005: Four California men, one the founder of a radical Islamic prison group, are indicted for allegedly conspiring to attack Los Angeles-area military bases, synagogues and other targets. The men have pleaded not guilty and await trial.
February 2006: Three men are arrested in Toledo, Ohio, for allegedly providing material support to terrorists. One of the men is accused of downloading videos on the use of suicide-bomb vests.
April 2006: Two Georgia men are charged with material support of terrorism after allegedly videotaping buildings in the Washington area, including the Capitol and the World Bank, and sending the video to a London extremist active on jihadist Web sites.
June 2006: The FBI announces the arrests of seven men in Miami and Atlanta in what officials called the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, and destroy FBI offices and other buildings. All pleaded not guilty and are awaiting trial.
July 2006: U.S. authorities announce the arrest of Assem Hammoud, a Lebanese man they claim was plotting to bomb New York City train tunnels to flood the financial district.
March 2007: A Pentagon transcript is released indicating that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, confessed to that attack and a string of other terror plots, including that of Reid, during a military hearing at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
May 2007: Six men were arrested in an alleged plot to unleash a bloody rampage on Fort Dix in New Jersey. Five are charged with conspiring to kill military personnel and could face life in prison if convicted. The sixth faces up to 10 years in prison if he is convicted of weapons charges.
June 2007: Four Muslim men planned to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through residential neighborhoods. Three men were arrested and one was being sought in Trinidad.
All of these cases deserve due process of course.
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I am beggining to think these little self starting cells are all they got left, otherwise what else is stopping them ? We are wide open here. Homeland security is non existant. I brought .223 about ammo ( about 6 rounds ) on a plane NYC to Fla. by accident in my GFs carry on purse.golgoj4 wrote:
It is me or is it just the b-squad that gets picked up? I would be impressed if we nabbed someone who didn't go to the FBI like a moron. Real terrorists have networks setup, they generally don't need outside help. So while these guys, those idiots from florida and jose padilla were busted, the serious ones like 9/11 get through. Interesting. I will buy that Bush's administration is working when we nab osama. no more, no less.
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