ATG
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https://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/dayofislam.jpg


I keep warning everybody, but you're not listening...

Among the explosive revelations in "The Day of Islam":

    * In 1996, al-Qaida's "paymaster" and a top lieutenant for bin Laden walked into a U.S. embassy in Africa and spilled the beans on the terror group's activities — including that al-Qaida had purchased nuclear material in the Sudan
    * The incredible story of a Brooklyn, N.Y., mosque that was receiving "stipends" from Uncle Sam for more than $2 million a year up until 1993 — when it was discovered the mosque was the nerve center for the first attack on the World Trade Center
    * The fact that despite the hoopla about the war on terror, only one member of bin Laden's shura — or high command — has been killed
    * The case of a Chicago charity that raised millions for bin Laden and even paid for one of his operatives whose sole job was to acquire nuclear weapons
    * Evidence the Saudi intelligence service claims bin Laden has an arsenal of between 40 and 70 tactical nuclear weapons
    * Russian sources that claim bin Laden bought 12 to 15 fully assembled nuclear weapons
    * Ties between al-Qaida and the Chechen rebels who allegedly acquired nuclear suitcase devices
    * Bin Laden's claim to a Pakistani journalist two months before 9/11 that acquiring nuclear was "not difficult" — claiming they were available from Russia for between $10 million and $20 million
    * Author Tom Clancy's revelations he was "first bemused, then stunned" to find how easy it is for a wealthy person to develop a nuclear device equal to that dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    * How atomic blueprints are available from Amazon.com!
    * Evidence bin Laden spent between $60 and $100 million to build nuclear devices with the help of scientists from Pakistan, Russia, and China
    * The damage even a low yield "junk" nuclear device would do to New York — with an estimated 250,000 dead in several days
    * The remarkable story of two British secret agents who penetrated al-Qaida's camps in Afghanistan — and reported to Britain that the terror group was finishing work on radiological weapons
    * The stunning admission of the head of Britain's MI5 who confirmed that "renegade" scientists had provided al-Qaida with the knowledge they needed to build a nuclear device
    * New Jersey: the strange case of a Pakistani who died of radiological poisoning soon after 9/11, a man who had apparently served as a "mule" to transport the deadly material into the U.S.
    * Axis of Evil: the secret alliance between al-Qaida and Iran that brings together two religious groups with one common goal: destroying the U.S.

http://w3.newsmax.com/a/dayofislam/?PROMO_CODE=34BE-1
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7067|London, England
Wow. I always had the thought that AQ will get nukes when:

- Pakistan is taken over by Jihad Joe
- Iran makes its own nukes

Dunno whether to believe those bulletpoints, they might be true or they might be there for scaremongering. If it's true then they're publishing it in the wrong way with comments like "one every American must read" and titles like "The Day of Islam: The Annihilation of America and the Western World" - shit, i hope it's not true but if it is. I'm gonna blame stupid scaremongering style publishing if nobody listens to it, if it's right.
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|7002
Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-02 13:47:30)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
I got nothing.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7067|London, England

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
I've always wondered this. In the UK, it would be hard as we're an island and they wouldn't exactly be able to smuggle one through the channel tunnel or by sea. So the only real way would be to make one, but that's also quite hard.

For America, however. It's a different story. I'm sure they could easily get one to S.America/Mexico where - looking at how many people get through the Mexican-American border - they could easily smuggle it to the U.S mainland through that. Maybe their little lack of border control will hurt them more than they think. Just maybe.

Edit: About physically taking the nuke, when places are unguarded i'm sure it's easy. Especially on land.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-06-02 13:58:12)

golgoj4
Member
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good post atg. which make me wonder WTF we are in iraq for?!?!?!?! GJ Bush in catching osama dead or alive. really. good job.
CameronPoe
Member
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Mekstizzle wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
I've always wondered this. In the UK, it would be hard as we're an island and they wouldn't exactly be able to smuggle one through the channel tunnel or by sea. So the only real way would be to make one, but that's also quite hard.

For America, however. It's a different story. I'm sure they could easily get one to S.America/Mexico where - looking at how many people get through the Mexican-American border - they could easily smuggle it to the U.S mainland through that. Maybe their little lack of border control will hurt them more than they think. Just maybe.

Edit: About physically taking the nuke, when places are unguarded i'm sure it's easy. Especially on land.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't muslims stick out like a rather sore thumb in Mexico? Don't get me wrong - US border security is the weakest chink in the US armour but the chances of a plot like that succeeding are pretty slim. I don't see any real threat because nothing they could muster would realistically be deployable against a meaningful target if the cops and border agents do their jobs correctly.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-02 14:05:52)

golgoj4
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
normally I agree with you cam. But the difference between SHOULD and IS are pretty wide at the moment. Much less al queda isn't a state, but a terrorist group. And I don't know of you've looked at the border lately, but mexico is a joke and diseased people on watch list apparently can pass through a checkpoint from Canada no problem. Even with instructions to detain. So, how is he sounding crazy?

So your post is somewhat pointless no?
golgoj4
Member
+51|7220|North Hollywood

CameronPoe wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
I've always wondered this. In the UK, it would be hard as we're an island and they wouldn't exactly be able to smuggle one through the channel tunnel or by sea. So the only real way would be to make one, but that's also quite hard.

For America, however. It's a different story. I'm sure they could easily get one to S.America/Mexico where - looking at how many people get through the Mexican-American border - they could easily smuggle it to the U.S mainland through that. Maybe their little lack of border control will hurt them more than they think. Just maybe.

Edit: About physically taking the nuke, when places are unguarded i'm sure it's easy. Especially on land.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't muslims stick out like a rather sore thumb in Mexico? Don't get me wrong - US border security is the weakest chink in the US armour but the chances of a plot like that succeeding are pretty slim. I don't see any real threat because nothing they could muster would realistically be deployable against a meaningful target if the cops and border agents do their jobs correctly.
mexicans can also be bought off Very easily. shit, look @ the shithole now. corrupt up the wazoo. I dont know how you determine the plot's chances of success are pretty slim, care to explain other than Muslims stick out in mexico? There have been numerous tunnels discovered into the use. Some even had cement floors, lighting and ventilation. Trust me, making or acquisition of th nuke is the hard part. Transport in the US would be cake.

not a flame. i just think your wrong on this one.

Last edited by golgoj4 (2007-06-02 14:10:41)

CameronPoe
Member
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golgoj4 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
normally I agree with you cam. But the difference between SHOULD and IS are pretty wide at the moment. Much less al queda isn't a state, but a terrorist group. And I don't know of you've looked at the border lately, but mexico is a joke and diseased people on watch list apparently can pass through a checkpoint from Canada no problem. Even with instructions to detain. So, how is he sounding crazy?

So your post is somewhat pointless no?
US border security is frankly pathetic true. I just think ATG is exaggerating somewhat. Islamic extremists don't have the wherewithall to carry out something as audacious as described within the United States. Always be vigilant yes but this domesday scenario seems more than a little scaremongery, and to what end?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-02 14:09:10)

imortal
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
No, actually, they really, really do think they should and can destroy the US.  After all, they destroyed the Soviets, right?  And they hav Allah on their side.

Not saying ALL muslims believe this.  Just some of them.

Also, not all christians thnk abortion is wrong.  But the real wackos that blow up the clinics do sure do make up for the rest of them, no?
Varegg
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Paranoia 101
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
golgoj4
Member
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CameronPoe wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
normally I agree with you cam. But the difference between SHOULD and IS are pretty wide at the moment. Much less al queda isn't a state, but a terrorist group. And I don't know of you've looked at the border lately, but mexico is a joke and diseased people on watch list apparently can pass through a checkpoint from Canada no problem. Even with instructions to detain. So, how is he sounding crazy?

So your post is somewhat pointless no?
US border security is frankly pathetic true. I just think ATG is exaggerating somewhat. Islamic extremists don't have the wherewithall to carry out something as audacious as described within the United States. Always be vigilant yes but this domesday scenario seems more than a little scaremongery, and to what end?
Well, it just proves we should have been going after Al Queda the whole time. I dont think he's fear mongering though because this is a real concern of mine long before he mentioned it. Maybe I just read too much Tom Clancy, but even in High School when I read 'The Sum of All Fears' I knew  it wasnt implausible. Sadly, only lip service is given to security in this country as of late. That vigilance was missing when the TB guy passed through the NORTHERN border after being flagged. God only knows wtf we can expect from the Southern border.
golgoj4
Member
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Varegg wrote:

Paranoia 101
care to explain?
CameronPoe
Member
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imortal wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
No, actually, they really, really do think they should and can destroy the US.  After all, they destroyed the Soviets, right?  And they hav Allah on their side.

Not saying ALL muslims believe this.  Just some of them.

Also, not all christians thnk abortion is wrong.  But the real wackos that blow up the clinics do sure do make up for the rest of them, no?
Some facts:

- Iran doesn't want to destroy the US, they just want the US to stop trying to fuck them over and to stop fucking around their patch/neighbourhood. They respond rather than aggress.

- Saudi Arabia doesn't want to destroy the US, they are content selling shitloads of oil to the US and investing heavily in US business.

- Iraq is currently incapacitated as a nation, puppet government in place.

- Syria doesn't want to destroy the US, they just want the US to stop siding with Israel all the time - a country currently illegally occupying part of Syria, the Golan Heights.

- Lebanon has enough problems of its own.

- Libya is all buddy-buddy with the US now since the US allowed them back in from the cold after their announcement concerning abandoned weapons-programs.

- Jordan practically sucks US cock.

- Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan is a US stooge, ready to do whatever the US says.

- Afghanistan is currently incapacitated as a nation, puppet government in place.

- Somalia is the only nation on earth without a government.

- Sudan has enough problems of its own.

- Egypt can't get enough of that lovely US aid.

- The UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Kuwait and Qatar all love US capital and are fashioning themselves into middle eastern business hubs for the west.

- Yemen is militarily capable of approximately nothing.

The bases are covered, by and large, in terms of a large scale organised enemy. Al Qaeda can merely bite at the heels of the US homeland at best: especially if border security is addressed properly.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-02 14:21:30)

golgoj4
Member
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lol cam, I don't think it was ever stated that a state would be a primary in this type of attack. They may or may not sponsor it, but they have to know it would bring about the end of their country. Or maybe not with how bad the intelligence has been in the past few years/ This is about Al Queda primarily though, not the states of the middle east. I suppose you could say Al Queda is the rabid dog of the middle east neighborhood? No home but wanders around mucking shite up. And needs to be put down.

bad analogy i know. my specialty
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6975|Global Command

CameronPoe wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Wow. You're beginning to sound like one of those 9/11 conspiracists ATG. Time for a reality check - no offence. No middle eastern state wants to destroy America and they all realise that they couldn't even if they did want to. You need to apply logic and reason here. It should be unbelievably easy to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack on the US anyway. What are they gonna do? Carry it into the country in leaden overalls?
I've always wondered this. In the UK, it would be hard as we're an island and they wouldn't exactly be able to smuggle one through the channel tunnel or by sea. So the only real way would be to make one, but that's also quite hard.

For America, however. It's a different story. I'm sure they could easily get one to S.America/Mexico where - looking at how many people get through the Mexican-American border - they could easily smuggle it to the U.S mainland through that. Maybe their little lack of border control will hurt them more than they think. Just maybe.

Edit: About physically taking the nuke, when places are unguarded i'm sure it's easy. Especially on land.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't muslims stick out like a rather sore thumb in Mexico? Don't get me wrong - US border security is the weakest chink in the US armour but the chances of a plot like that succeeding are pretty slim. I don't see any real threat because nothing they could muster would realistically be deployable against a meaningful target if the cops and border agents do their jobs correctly.
No, they look almost exactly the same as Mexicans
CameronPoe
Member
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golgoj4 wrote:

lol cam, I don't think it was ever stated that a state would be a primary in this type of attack. They may or may not sponsor it, but they have to know it would bring about the end of their country. Or maybe not with how bad the intelligence has been in the past few years/ This is about Al Queda primarily though, not the states of the middle east. I suppose you could say Al Queda is the rabid dog of the middle east neighborhood? No home but wanders around mucking shite up. And needs to be put down.

bad analogy i know. my specialty
Well the final point of the OP suggests some kind of *yawn* 'axis of evil' between Iran (a state) and Al Qaeda. Iran knows it would be suicide to ally themselves with Al Qaeda. Iran are completely correct in defending their own rights in the face of western suppression and adversity but to 'shake hands with the devil' would nullify those rights.
Greenspan
Fed. Chairman (Ret.)
+12|6933
Nice little advertisment for that book, ATG. Didn't know the debate and serious talk section was tuning into a marketplace.

The problem with nuclear weapons is the same as it was 50 years ago. Yes, they probably could nuke a few of our cities. BUT, it would make the entire US go APE, and we'd turn the middle east into a glass plain. Right now there's not a whole lot of political support for Iraq and Afganistan, but if they nuked a city there would be INSANE political support for ANYTHING as long as it entailed killing these bastards. They blew up 2 buildings on 9/11 and the US took over 2 entire countries to hunt them down, what do you think will happen if they blow up an entire city?

It's really not in their best intrest to be blowing up cities right now.

Last edited by Greenspan (2007-06-02 14:26:29)

golgoj4
Member
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Greenspan wrote:

Nice little advertisment for that book, ATG. Didn't know the debate and serious talk section was tuning into a marketplace.

The problem with nuclear weapons is the same as it was 50 years ago. Yes, they probably could nuke a few of our cities. BUT, it would make the entire US go APE, and we'd turn the middle east into a glass plain. Right now there's not a whole lot of political support for Iraq and Afganistan, but if they nuked a city there would be INSANE political support for ANYTHING as long as it entailed killing these bastards. They blew up 2 buildings on 9/11 and the US took over 2 entire countries to hunt them down, what do you think will happen if they blow up an entire city?

It's really not in their best intrest to be blowing up cities right now.
Define take over? We left Afghanistan before the job was done and iraq is a clusterfuck. They attacked us and instead all we have done is increase recruitment. God knows the problem is nowhere near solved. And we are talking about an independent group here people, not a state in the middle east.
Varegg
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golgoj4 wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Paranoia 101
care to explain?
You dont know what paranoia means ?

This has gotten so far to the point where you guys want to be scared of everything, want to believe everybody want your blood and do you harm.

Al-Qaida can possibly have plans to nuke America but how likely is it ?

Where do Osama if he`s still alive have 100 million dollars ? ... in his madrass ?
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
CameronPoe
Member
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Time for some pints anyway. I'll see ye at Ron Black's on Dawson St. in 20...
golgoj4
Member
+51|7220|North Hollywood

CameronPoe wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

lol cam, I don't think it was ever stated that a state would be a primary in this type of attack. They may or may not sponsor it, but they have to know it would bring about the end of their country. Or maybe not with how bad the intelligence has been in the past few years/ This is about Al Queda primarily though, not the states of the middle east. I suppose you could say Al Queda is the rabid dog of the middle east neighborhood? No home but wanders around mucking shite up. And needs to be put down.

bad analogy i know. my specialty
Well the final point of the OP suggests some kind of *yawn* 'axis of evil' between Iran (a state) and Al Qaeda. Iran knows it would be suicide to ally themselves with Al Qaeda. Iran are completely correct in defending their own rights in the face of western suppression and adversity but to 'shake hands with the devil' would nullify those rights.
lol i got nothing on the secret partnership...the whole axis of evil thing doesn't really click for me. I agree that Iran wouldn't want to give up whatever validity they may have in the international community. My concern here is that a non state sponsored group could infiltrate and detonate. I just don't see our defenses up to par.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
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^ CamPoe
Will do

Last edited by M.O.A.B (2007-06-02 14:36:39)

golgoj4
Member
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Varegg wrote:

golgoj4 wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Paranoia 101
care to explain?
You dont know what paranoia means ?

This has gotten so far to the point where you guys want to be scared of everything, want to believe everybody want your blood and do you harm.

Al-Qaida can possibly have plans to nuke America but how likely is it ?

Where do Osama if he`s still alive have 100 million dollars ? ... in his madrass ?
Actually I do,

But annoying ignorant 1 liners are what make you appear to be uninformed. Im guessing English isn't your native tongue  from how you type, so I wont be spelling nazi. A few years ago nobody expected a bunch of planes to fly into buildings EVEN though it had been proposed at the HIGHEST LEVELS of government. So why is it so unbelievable that a well financed terrorist group could get into the country and detonate a nuclear weapon? Maybe you should inform yourself of the realities before delivering silly comments followed by 'you dont know what paranoia means' I also know what 'clueless' means.

Btw
Its a Madrassa
Its not 'where do osama', its 'Where IS osama'

/Lesson over

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