BF2S Forums Why Having Gays in the Military is no longer an Issue

Jibbles wrote:

I am joining the military next year, and personally, I don't want gays anywhere near me.

Lol. What, are you worried the 'gay' might rub off on you?

Stingray24 wrote:

I’ll clarify regarding my earlier post, HunterofSkulls.  My question stemmed focused mostly on DADT and partly extended to civilian life.  I don’t understand why DADT was even needed.  Were people getting freaked out that gays were serving so Clinton told them to shut up?

It was Clinton playing pretend progressive.

This was his pathetic attempt to make it look like he was actually working towards some greater societal acceptance of homosexuals but it was a miserable failure, completely toothless and easily circumvented. The burden was on the soldier not to speak of their orientation; there was really no such burden on their fellow soldiers to not dig around in their personal lives. But of course it was used as one more piece of "evidence" that William Jefferson Clinton was a screaming wild-eyed leftist and not just another out-for-himself politician.

Stingray24 wrote:

Everyone knows that not every gay guy is Jack from Will and Grace.  Gimme a break.

You may know that. Not everybody does. Take a good look around you at the popular representation of homosexual men or ask someone what they think a homosexual man acts like. I'd bet it isn't going to be "big ol' strong manly men".

Stingray24 wrote:

The man I consider to be the best boss I ever had was gay, but didn’t feel the need to parade his sexual choices in front of everyone.  I respected him and accepted him for who he was because of that.

Well, now you're gonna have to define "parade". It's vague. Some people might consider him having a picture of his SO on his desk as flaunting his lifestyle in everyone's face.

Stingray24 wrote:

Sure every gay soldier doesn’t look around and think about boning the guy next to them.  Most straight guys look around and at one time or another (at least weekly, perhaps daily) think about a female coworker that way.  The chat around the water cooler is proof.  In light of that, you can’t tell me that the thought process isn’t going on in a gay man.

True, perhaps. But just like women probably end up with guys eyeballing them that they don't find attractive, same goes here. Also, the vast majority (but by no means all) of those men have the self-control required to keep themselves from forcing unwanted attentions on whoever they may find attractive. Either way, there's really not a damn thing you can do about the thoughts in someone else's head unless they try to act on them, so who cares?

Stingray24 wrote:

Second-class citizens?   In the US you can screw around with anyone you want as much as you want as long as they’re over 18.  We downright celebrate “alternative lifestyles” in western society and nobody is arresting gay folks or shutting down gay bars.

No, gay people aren't (mostly) being arrested just for being gay and gay bars aren't being shut down (at least not using any of the old reasons). Those battles were won after many bitter clashes with police and others intent on keeping them in the closet. They fought, bled and died in some cases to stop it from happening. Their fellow citizens didn't seem terribly interested in helping. Probably because it wasn't happening to them.

And of course there's still that whole pesky problem of occasionally being ganged up on by knuckle-dragging troglodytes for having the audacity to hold hands or kiss in public.

Stingray24 wrote:

Don’t give me this infringing on people’s liberty and happiness bs.  I support the right for anyone to have their sex the way they like it.  Just don’t require me to endorse it and don’t be having it with kids.

Well let's see. Can't get legally married except in one state. Limited partner status in other states with only a handful of the legal protections and rights straight couples are entitled to (special rights, anyone?). Prevented by law from both marriage or even limited partner status in many other states. Also prevented from adopting children by law in other states. Sounds pretty fucking infringed to me.

Trust me, homosexuals neither require nor desire your endorsement, nor mine either. What they want's a fair shake from their elected representatives, not religious dogma codified in secular law no matter how it's disguised or justified.