The big issue with pitbulls isn't even any unique behavioural traits, but the fact that they don't feel pain. Have you tried getting a dog not to bite you without hurting it?
Very true. That is the main factor.Bubbalo wrote:
The big issue with pitbulls isn't even any unique behavioural traits, but the fact that they don't feel pain. Have you tried getting a dog not to bite you without hurting it?
If one does decide to attack you there's not a lot you can do about it.
Those types of dogs are also more likely to suffer from breakdowns where they attack people. A guy I know had a staf, which was extremely well trained (his mum's a dog trainer, so he knows what he's doing) and behaved perfectly all the time. Until one day it went nuts and started attacking him, completely out of the blue. He was lucky enough to manage to lock it in the bathroom until animal control could get there. He had to have it put down, which he was understandably very upset by.
Now he's got another one.
Its there owners, or lack of.ATG wrote:
Against Pit Bulls.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/regstat … 79386.html
Happened yesterday.
These animals need to be exterminated, wiped out, rounded up and put to death. Eliminated as a breed.
They are unpredictable animals that maim and kill dozen every year.
Enough.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html
All animals are animals, and you cant forget that. I know plenty of very nice putbulls, they get a bad rep because a few of them have owners who fight them and breed them for violence. Its not the dogs fault, its there owner, or lack of owner and love.
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15 more years! 15 more years!
This is true. Temperament in canines is herditary. There have been many studies on this. It is the combined inherited and acquired physical and mental traits that influence the dog's behavior.Bertster7 wrote:
Breed certainly does dictate behaviour.TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Breed doesn't dictate behaviour, you raise a dog to fight and it will fight, you raise it to be friendly it'll be friendly, exterminate the owners.
I was bitten by a Pitbull on my forearm once. I was lucky and he let go. My forearm blew up like a softball.
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Just because a history of violence is inbreed genetically into a certain breed does not warrant the need for a genocide. Man had violence genetically in him, does everyman go and kill and maim? No. sure we have higher brain functions but its the same concept. Lets kill off Lions and Tigers as well. Housecats never seem to kill people but these breeds are genetically breed to kill and maim, and when a human happens to cross their path...
The logic behind this is silly, people get injured from a breed of dog one to many times, and that requires us to slaughter thousands of innocent creatures for no reason other then one attacked a person. To think, one of those pitbull puppies I played with at the Detroit animal shelter was secretly planning to rip my hand off...
The logic behind this is silly, people get injured from a breed of dog one to many times, and that requires us to slaughter thousands of innocent creatures for no reason other then one attacked a person. To think, one of those pitbull puppies I played with at the Detroit animal shelter was secretly planning to rip my hand off...
I don't understand how this thread is still opened. ATG is advocating the killing of innocent animals. They are fucking animals. They don't have free will. They act on instinct, they don't know when they are doing wrong, because they don't have the needed intelligence, and that's why they are innocent. You wouldn't kill a mental retarded, would you? Don't answer.
my dog was attacked by a pitbull in the park once. fortunately my dog weighs 140 pounds and was bred to protect sheep from bears and wolves. was the only time my dog has ever bitten another dog (and he's had some tussels). my dog managed to grab it by the head and started shaking it around leaving a couple of nasty gashes. when we seperated them my dog sat down and started licking a wound on his leg where the pit bull had bitten him. meanwhile the pitbull just wouldn't stop barking and growling and trying to go back at my dog...he was crazy...this with blood steaming down his head and neck. was a scary sight.
the biggest problem with pitbulls isn't that they attack, its that they don't know how to stop. when we seperated them my dog (a normal well adjusted dog i guess) said "ok, that's over with now" and really didn't have much more interest in fighting. for him fighting is done out of neccessity. think about it: if a bear attacks a heard of sheep there is no dog on this planet that can kill a bear. their job is to drive the bear away and they strike and retreat until the bear leaves. if you insist on going after the bear he will tear you to shred. pitbulls on the other hand aren't necessarily the best fighting dogs in the world...there are bigger and tougher animals. what they do have is the instinct to fight to the death which is what some sick people like (see Michael Vick).
the biggest problem with pitbulls isn't that they attack, its that they don't know how to stop. when we seperated them my dog (a normal well adjusted dog i guess) said "ok, that's over with now" and really didn't have much more interest in fighting. for him fighting is done out of neccessity. think about it: if a bear attacks a heard of sheep there is no dog on this planet that can kill a bear. their job is to drive the bear away and they strike and retreat until the bear leaves. if you insist on going after the bear he will tear you to shred. pitbulls on the other hand aren't necessarily the best fighting dogs in the world...there are bigger and tougher animals. what they do have is the instinct to fight to the death which is what some sick people like (see Michael Vick).
This old lady who lives down the street from me owns a pit bull, but he's old and about to die, so he won't be attacking anyone. Me and my friends and siblings would always laugh at the dog though because it had the biggest nuts we've ever seen. I imagine he isn't able to sit down very well.
And that instinct, combined with the fact that they are potentially lethal, is exactly why they are unsuitable for a domestic environment.sergeriver wrote:
They act on instinct, they don't know when they are doing wrong, because they don't have the needed intelligence, and that's why they are innocent.
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So your one story in a rural situation is supposed to change our opinion?Cougar wrote:
By far the most idiotic, uneducated, ignorant and hateful thing I have ever seen you post.ATG wrote:
Against Pit Bulls.
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/regstat … 79386.html
Happened yesterday.
These animals need to be exterminated, wiped out, rounded up and put to death. Eliminated as a breed.
They are unpredictable animals that maim and kill dozen every year.
Enough.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/9_2_scared_of_pit.html
Pitbulls catch a bad rap for all the evil shit their masters do to them and make them do. I love pitbulls, out of all the animals I have ever owned, the pitbull is by far the best, gentlest, smartest, most loyal and by FAR the most loving. It's is the fuck head animal breeders who raise them to fight, or mistreat them that are responsible for these events, not the dog. Remember the dog from The Little Rascals? Pitbull. What a fucking devil he was, to bad no one exterminated him huh?
I raised my dog the right way, the loving way, and she turned out to be the best pet I ever had. I had her trained to herd cattle and even get the newspaper OUT OF THE MAILBOX. She played with nearly all the children in my family from ages 3 to 15 without a single incident. On the other hand if someone she didn't know pulled up in the yard she would stand at their door and growl at them until I said "friend" then she would roll over and turn into putty. That dog kept pests, rodents and other animals off our property and guarded our livestock at night from Coyotes and stray dogs.
Then one day she decided to go to the neighbor down the roads house to "see her boyfriend" and he shot her. It was an ignorant asshole like yourself, that didn't know any better than what the media told him about the breed, that shot my dog for no reason. In turn, I split his dogs head open with a hatchet, threatened to kill him and then over the course of the next 3 months shot all of his dogs that meandered onto my property since we no longer had a dog of our own to defend it. Later that month one of our horses was run into a fence and had to be put down, rodents over ran our yard and after a year we had at least 30 stray cats living in our barn, who I later had to exterminate. All because some asshole saw pitbull and thought "bad".
So maybe you and the rest of the goddamned world should do a little research before you go around calling for their genocide and blaming every dog mauling on their so called "desperate, hateful, pre-programmed genetic inclination" to be baby killers.
Is there some reason your neighbor didn't know it was your dog? A pit bull shows up on my property, I might take the same action. You already said she's defensive until you say something, so im sorry. It just seems you were irresponsible. But hey, it was your choice to let the pit have free reign, even though it seems you understand the dubious reputation they have. Did ya make a point to let people know she wasn't dangerous?
BTW, the media doesn't have shite to do with this. I comes from experience of seeing amped up pit's attack other dogs / people.
Way to respond btw, kinda makes the point about owners of pit bulls.
That and killing their whole race are two different things.Bertster7 wrote:
And that instinct, combined with the fact that they are potentially lethal, is exactly why they are unsuitable for a domestic environment.sergeriver wrote:
They act on instinct, they don't know when they are doing wrong, because they don't have the needed intelligence, and that's why they are innocent.
Aww, the poor poodles...
Who gives a shit? Keep your dog out of the pit bull's way.
Who gives a shit? Keep your dog out of the pit bull's way.
I really don't give a shit about your opinion. Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.golgoj4 wrote:
So your one story in a rural situation is supposed to change our opinion?
1. Yes, he knew she was and he knew she wasn't dangerous.golgoj4 wrote:
Is there some reason your neighbor didn't know it was your dog? A pit bull shows up on my property, I might take the same action. You already said she's defensive until you say something, so im sorry. It just seems you were irresponsible. But hey, it was your choice to let the pit have free reign, even though it seems you understand the dubious reputation they have. Did ya make a point to let people know she wasn't dangerous?
2. That makes you worse than the dog.
3. If the dog is meant to guard the house, livestock and property, it's kind of stupid to keep it on a leash. Especially when you have one neighbor within a 4 mile radius. I guess I'm an irresponsible person because my dog was in heat. Shut up with that piece of shit of an arguement.
Of course it does. When was the last time you heard a report about a Rotweiler? Coyote? Wolf? Bear? Lion? You don't and people don't have negative views of them. But take sharks and pitbulls where the media reports it every chance they get. Perhaps we should just genocide sharks as well?golgoj4 wrote:
BTW, the media doesn't have shite to do with this. I comes from experience of seeing amped up pit's attack other dogs / people.
What? That they value the life of their pets and don't want to see an entire breed of dog be genocided because a dozen people a year get mauled. That ludicrous at best, considering there are tens of thousands of pitbulls in the world.golgoj4 wrote:
Way to respond btw, kinda makes the point about owners of pit bulls.
OK. What do you do with them all then, if they were banned as pets?sergeriver wrote:
That and killing their whole race are two different things.Bertster7 wrote:
And that instinct, combined with the fact that they are potentially lethal, is exactly why they are unsuitable for a domestic environment.sergeriver wrote:
They act on instinct, they don't know when they are doing wrong, because they don't have the needed intelligence, and that's why they are innocent.
I think my earlier suggestion is probably the best idea
That would be retarded.JahManRed wrote:
Thankfully this isn't thread about eradicating all Muslims, as I first suspected.
I knew the title would get your notice...
Sorry, but it's how I feel. You can't please everybody all the time.Cougar wrote:
By far the most idiotic, uneducated, ignorant and hateful thing I have ever seen you post.
Relax though, it ain't likely to happen. There are too many people willing to sacrifice the occasional baby to these hounds of hell to ever let that happen.
Freedom, right?
It's open because a debate rages.sergeriver wrote:
I don't understand how this thread is still opened. ATG is advocating the killing of innocent animals. They are fucking animals. They don't have free will. They act on instinct, they don't know when they are doing wrong, because they don't have the needed intelligence, and that's why they are innocent. You wouldn't kill a mental retarded, would you? Don't answer.
If I wasn't serious I would have put it in the JD.
It's about cost/benefit.
Reasonable people can agree that a ordinary citizen should perhaps not be allowed an automatic weapon, as well as reasonable people can see that these dogs serve no good purpose, are mindless killing machine, and are responcible for dozens of deaths and maimings every year.
Guess I will lose this months popularity contests. That is a fair price for being honest.
Kill them. Kill them all.
So, a pitbull killed a poodle, big deal. They are animals. Don't let your dog play with them.Bertster7 wrote:
OK. What do you do with them all then, if they were banned as pets?sergeriver wrote:
That and killing their whole race are two different things.Bertster7 wrote:
And that instinct, combined with the fact that they are potentially lethal, is exactly why they are unsuitable for a domestic environment.
I think my earlier suggestion is probably the best idea
You always generalize. You should consult a shrink about anger management coz sometimes you are so full of hatred. Most Muslims are extremists, all pitbulls are useless, etc. Kill 'em All. Great Metallica album btw.ATG wrote:
That would be retarded.JahManRed wrote:
Thankfully this isn't thread about eradicating all Muslims, as I first suspected.
I knew the title would get your notice...Sorry, but it's how I feel. You can't please everybody all the time.Cougar wrote:
By far the most idiotic, uneducated, ignorant and hateful thing I have ever seen you post.
Relax though, it ain't likely to happen. There are too many people willing to sacrifice the occasional baby to these hounds of hell to ever let that happen.
Freedom, right?It's open because a debate rages.sergeriver wrote:
I don't understand how this thread is still opened. ATG is advocating the killing of innocent animals. They are fucking animals. They don't have free will. They act on instinct, they don't know when they are doing wrong, because they don't have the needed intelligence, and that's why they are innocent. You wouldn't kill a mental retarded, would you? Don't answer.
If I wasn't serious I would have put it in the JD.
It's about cost/benefit.
Reasonable people can agree that a ordinary citizen should perhaps not be allowed an automatic weapon, as well as reasonable people can see that these dogs serve no good purpose, are mindless killing machine, and are responcible for dozens of deaths and maimings every year.
Guess I will lose this months popularity contests. That is a fair price for being honest.
Kill them. Kill them all.
They kill a lot of people too.sergeriver wrote:
So, a pitbull killed a poodle, big deal. They are animals. Don't let your dog play with them.Bertster7 wrote:
OK. What do you do with them all then, if they were banned as pets?sergeriver wrote:
That and killing their whole race are two different things.
I think my earlier suggestion is probably the best idea
Stats? Number of pitbulls and number of people killed by those.Bertster7 wrote:
They kill a lot of people too.sergeriver wrote:
So, a pitbull killed a poodle, big deal. They are animals. Don't let your dog play with them.Bertster7 wrote:
OK. What do you do with them all then, if they were banned as pets?
I think my earlier suggestion is probably the best idea
I was getting there.. . Oh well, it saves me from having to post a ridiculous amount links in which they have killed people.Bertster7 wrote:
They kill a lot of people too.sergeriver wrote:
So, a pitbull killed a poodle, big deal. They are animals. Don't let your dog play with them.Bertster7 wrote:
OK. What do you do with them all then, if they were banned as pets?
I think my earlier suggestion is probably the best idea
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Ooh I dunno, only give them to responsibe owners? I agree in the wrong hands a Bull terrier is very dangerous, but, that does not under any circumstances make that the fault of the dog or the breed, I mean Ive have some fucking nasty bites from Poodles for fuck sake. Sorry but this is 100% the fault of the owners, violent behaviour is not in built at birth, and even if it is, it's perfectly easy to raise a dog (any dog) to control that behaviour, And even then if it's actually not possible (even though it's been proven by every decent Terrier owner in the world) it's still the responsibility of the owner to keep the dog out of a situation where it could do harm, leashes and muzzles were invented for a good reason.Bertster7 wrote:
OK. What do you do with them all then, if they were banned as pets?sergeriver wrote:
That and killing their whole race are two different things.Bertster7 wrote:
And that instinct, combined with the fact that they are potentially lethal, is exactly why they are unsuitable for a domestic environment.
I think my earlier suggestion is probably the best idea
BTW: This is Monty, my dad's Staff Bull Terrier.
To give you some scale, his jaw from side to side it 10 inches, an average Pit Bull comes up to his chin. he can knock down my 18 stone brother like he wasn't there (and does frequently so he can lick him to death lol).
Heh, he seems like a nice pup.
Nicer than any person I've known. Unconditional love 24/7, unless someone gives him a steak, then he's theirs til hes eaten it but, he always comes back to my dad
Just give them all to Mike Vick.
Should be fun for you guys in the states. Just walk around with yo' gat out, wait for some bitch ass (literally) to come and try to bite you, then all you do is pop the gun out and BAM. Who needs to hunt when there are perfectly normal animals willing to kill you, so you can kill them in self defence. That's two birds with one stone, or one dog with one .22, take it either way.