Ace.O.Lamb
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For those of you who have not read the book 1984 and do not understand what big brother is, here is a brief description - 1984 is a dystopian novel by the English writer George Orwell, published in 1949. The book tells the story of Winston Smith and his degradation by the totalitarian state in which he lives. The state he lives in situated in the western world (USA or UK). Basically the whole of the state is controlled by a ruthless ruler called 'Big Brother' he enforces his power by setting up these camera like screens called Telescreens and they monitor everyones moves.
Everyone is brainwashed through propaganda to support Bigbrother and eventually everyone does, those who do not are simple executed.

Now then this is how Britain is becoming like BB, firstly we have these damn CCTV cameras everywhere, they follow our every single move and stop us from commiting any offence, hell, nowaday they can even shout at us (no joke) and tell us to stop littering ect. Now this may sound like a good thing but you have to realise who wants to be watched 24/7 so that we are not doing anything wrong? Fuck that.
The thing is, is that this is all happening and only a few people care about it, it may not effect us now but it could do in a few years, im not saying that the government will ever controll us like they did in '1984' but they certainly have the power too.

They can trace DNA, follow your internet browsing habbits, tap your phones lines and you would not even have a clue its happening. The government has the power to know more about you than you even knew yourself. Its crazy

Think about the power they have. The media - People live by the media, if you see something on the news most people believe it because some guy in a suit says its real. We follow fashions, music, TV, films - The government would only have start slowly putting pro government propaganda into the films and before we know it we are walking around with T-shirts saying 'I love george Bush FOREVER'

Just another Thing i recently found from the book that applies to our nowaday countries (and no i am not saying the book is predicting the future, im merely showing similarities) The BB ruled country Oceania is kept in line by fear of war, you see BB tells the people that there is a huge world war constantly going on, people get scared and look to seek help and refuge from their leaders, in this case BB. When people get scared and want help leaders can manipulate the people. Look at modern day examples

And now another thing this I-dose, The ability to make you feel like you are on drugs through sounds?! I mean seriously wtf?! Imagine the shit they could put into our heads through sound?

Paranoid I may be, or maybe im just thinking straight who knows. Anyway i got to go, the MI5 at my door

Read 1984 people - It will change your views 100%

Last edited by Ace.O.Lamb (2007-06-08 03:06:50)

Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|6973|London (At Heart)

Yeah, I know, its terrible.

They even have, well the best way to put it is, UAVs, cameras in the skys on small planes that basically watch 24/7
SineNomine
Panzerblitz
+37|7168|SPARTA
I know this for a long time now. That's the frakkin reason because i enjoy my life as long as it goes. Till one stupid motherfrakker decides facism isnt't that bad at all.
JihaadJack
Member
+12|6736|Southampton, Hampshire
The Australian government pushed through some pretty strong anti-sedition laws not too long ago... that everyone made a huge stink about for a week or so before it faded away unnoticed, with the government rubbing their hands together gleefully no doubt. It sickens me that feckarse celebrities can be on the news for weeks yet this just slips peoples minds? Not that i can do anything to change it. But people should really wake the frak up
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6898|Cambridge, UK

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....firstly we have these damn CCTV cameras everywhere, they follow our every single move and stop us from commiting any offence
I thought they were there to catch others 'committing any offence', not stop me...
If you would have committed offences and now don't because of them - good.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... nowaday they can even shout at us (no joke) and tell us to stop littering ect.
Yup - saves them having to call the police or someone else to sort things by getting people to undo whatever they did - saves my tax dollars.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....who wants to be watched 24/7
You live on the street? I get watched for less than 1 hour a day, and when I say watched I mean possibly watched.
Its odd that people consider a probably not watched camera more intrusive than a bobby or security guard actually watching

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... im not saying that the government will ever controll us like they did in '1984' but they certainly have the power too.
Nope they have no power to at all to control us via CCTV - they don't even have the ability to view 99.9% of the stuff without a court order and not without reason.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....They can trace DNA
So? as far as I know DNA evidence is only used in very bad crimes.... raped someone recently have you?

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... follow your internet browsing habbits
only if you've done something to pull there attention.... the amount of data is so huge you only have to worry if again your seriously bad.... humm worried about cameras, DNA, governments and Internet activity.... starting to sound like a Terrorist dude!

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... tap your phones lines and you would not even have a clue its happening.
The clue would be doing something worthy of the effort and money

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... The government has the power to know more about you than you even knew yourself.
lol - just lol

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....Its crazy
your paranoia? yup defo crazy

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....The ability to make you feel like you are on drugs through sounds?!
Really? Way cool, I'll have some

Have a beer and chill out - I think you'll find no one is watching or listening at all ....unless you believe in God - then that is 'Big Brother' watching your ever sin.... now you'll never touch yourself again.  

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... who knows. Anyway i got to go, the MI5 at my door
lol - good to see you haven't lost it completely

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....Read 1984 people - It will change your views 100%
it didn't - thought it was way overrated tbh

Last edited by KylieTastic (2007-06-07 14:24:41)

Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|6973|London (At Heart)

Kylie, you are thinking of the now, he is saying the possibility that the governments can do.

The government does indeed have alot of power over us, whether it chooses so show us or not.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6898|Cambridge, UK

or you could go with the other future books that would have the government with no power and the corps running it all and controlling us.

I personally believe in people, and the fact if they every tried anything really serious there would be whistle blowers and then a major revolt....

The only way 'they' could do anything would be in such secret it would cost more than any gov would ever have.
Ace.O.Lamb
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KylieTastic wrote:

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....firstly we have these damn CCTV cameras everywhere, they follow our every single move and stop us from commiting any offence
I thought they were there to catch others 'committing any offence', not stop me...
If you would have committed offences and now don't because of them - good.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... nowaday they can even shout at us (no joke) and tell us to stop littering ect.
Yup - saves them having to call the police or someone else to sort things by getting people to undo whatever they did - saves my tax dollars.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....who wants to be watched 24/7
You live on the street? I get watched for less than 1 hour a day, and when I say watched I mean possibly watched.
Its odd that people consider a probably not watched camera more intrusive than a bobby or security guard actually watching

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... im not saying that the government will ever controll us like they did in '1984' but they certainly have the power too.
Nope they have no power to at all to control us via CCTV - they don't even have the ability to view 99.9% of the stuff without a court order and not without reason.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....They can trace DNA
So? as far as I know DNA evidence is only used in very bad crimes.... raped someone recently have you?

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... follow your internet browsing habbits
only if you've done something to pull there attention.... the amount of data is so huge you only have to worry if again your seriously bad.... humm worried about cameras, DNA, governments and Internet activity.... starting to sound like a Terrorist dude!

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... tap your phones lines and you would not even have a clue its happening.
The clue would be doing something worthy of the effort and money

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... The government has the power to know more about you than you even knew yourself.
lol - just lol

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....Its crazy
your paranoia? yup defo crazy

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....The ability to make you feel like you are on drugs through sounds?!
Really? Way cool, I'll have some

Have a beer and chill out - I think you'll find no one is watching or listening at all ....unless you believe in God - then that is 'Big Brother' watching your ever sin.... now you'll never touch yourself again.  

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

.... who knows. Anyway i got to go, the MI5 at my door
lol - good to see you haven't lost it completely

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

....Read 1984 people - It will change your views 100%
it didn't - thought it was way overrated tbh
Fool im saying what the government has the power to do in the future, if they wanted to. You a cambridge Uni student by any chance?
Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|6973|London (At Heart)

KylieTastic wrote:

or you could go with the other future books that would have the government with no power and the corps running it all and controlling us.

I personally believe in people, and the fact if they every tried anything really serious there would be whistle blowers and then a major revolt....

The only way 'they' could do anything would be in such secret it would cost more than any gov would ever have.
Granted.

However, we can't predict the future, it is paranoia, however fascist governments rise and fall throughout the world all of the time, why should we see ourselves as smarter than falling into the trap of one
Ace.O.Lamb
Got Lamb?
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Shem wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

or you could go with the other future books that would have the government with no power and the corps running it all and controlling us.

I personally believe in people, and the fact if they every tried anything really serious there would be whistle blowers and then a major revolt....

The only way 'they' could do anything would be in such secret it would cost more than any gov would ever have.
Granted.

However, we can't predict the future, it is paranoia, however fascist governments rise and fall throughout the world all of the time, why should we see ourselves as smarter than falling into the trap of one
You would like to hope there would be a major revolt but its not that easy, look at hitler and what he did im sure people tried to revolt but he crushed them.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6898|Cambridge, UK

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Fool im saying what the government has the power to do in the future, if they wanted to.
and I'm saying that people over state things: most of your point where not about the future but what you say they can do now.
Your not viewed, traced, tracked 24/7 - and even if they can do thing it takes, and will always (imho), take more money and effort than worth it for Mr average.

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

You a Cambridge Uni student by any chance?
Nope just a local lad (not Cambridge Uni level by a mile!), went  to Sheffield Uni (Engineering) many many many years ago
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6898|Cambridge, UK

Ace.O.Lamb wrote:

Shem wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

or you could go with the other future books that would have the government with no power and the corps running it all and controlling us.

I personally believe in people, and the fact if they every tried anything really serious there would be whistle blowers and then a major revolt....

The only way 'they' could do anything would be in such secret it would cost more than any gov would ever have.
Granted.

However, we can't predict the future, it is paranoia, however fascist governments rise and fall throughout the world all of the time, why should we see ourselves as smarter than falling into the trap of one
You would like to hope there would be a major revolt but its not that easy, look at hitler and what he did im sure people tried to revolt but he crushed them.
A govenment taking over people by pushing an ideal like Hitler I agree could defo happen again
but I think its very different to the subtle (and costly) controls of a 'Big Brother'

Last edited by KylieTastic (2007-06-07 14:41:35)

JihaadJack
Member
+12|6736|Southampton, Hampshire
Well to me i think its all just rubbish, if they really really wanted a facist dictatorship, they wouldn't arse about with phone taps and cctv, they'd send in the Kings Royal Hussars and squash the populace flat with legions of challengers. After they had everyone subjugated is when the monitoring and assorted espionage would be put in place. Its not as if we (the English public) have much except for air rifles and trap + skeet shotguns to fight back with anyhow. We would be crushed like bugs if/when the government truly turned on us
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7210|Dallas
Haha Britain sucks.
JihaadJack
Member
+12|6736|Southampton, Hampshire
Im gonna assume youre american, in which case, you wouldnt last very long against your government even with your guns. Unless armour peircing rockets are on sale at moes gunz n ammoes... Not that it would surprise me much, but pants to you, somebodys gotta have some fun with them
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6893|Boulder, CO

Cougar wrote:

Haha Britain sucks.
i thought this was meant to be debate and serious talks?

honestly the only thing that i know that the government is doing that could posssibly infringe civil liberties at the moment is they scan all emails and any that have certain words in them such as jihad are checked to make sure your not planning blowing up westminster abbey.  in hte future i'm sorry to say that if they made it a slow and subtle transition then they could easily create a fascist dictatorate. the most likely way would be to claim its to stop terrorism whilst emplying people to do minor terrorist acts that panic the general population even if there are no real terrorist agenda's at that time.

by the way, you'll find that MI5 are the US's main providers of internet security things especially the email scanning which i've read somewhere takes place somewhere down south or possibly in scotland it was one of them. so whatever internet security things we have here you probably have too in the us as we're doing it. just thought it'd say that.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6898|Cambridge, UK

I think the americans monitor us brits (and europe) more than our own govenment....
....you know from that base we dont know about
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7067|London, England
If i see some Chavs banged up/executed i wouldn't mind joining this "Controlling Government" either. Where do i sign up?

j/k (maybe..), but i don't have anything to hide. Let's hope that the Chavs get their commupence, I'm not Muslim either and....well, if they want peace let them convert to Buddhism or no-religion or fuck off for all i care. Islam isn't a religion of peace.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-06-07 15:27:12)

aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7238

KylieTastic wrote:

I think the americans monitor us brits (and europe) more than our own govenment....
....you know from that base we dont know about
It seems Fadedsteve monitors us more than our own government - he's always writing about how Islam is taking over Britain.

As for secret bases, they've got a lot of public ones so I doubt they really need any more.  RAF Menwith Hill springs to mind for "intelligence gathering"
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6893|Boulder, CO
that might of been the one i was thinking of i just don't know. i'm tired but i can't be arsed to get up from this chair and go to bed...
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6898|Cambridge, UK

aardfrith wrote:

KylieTastic wrote:

I think the americans monitor us brits (and europe) more than our own govenment....
....you know from that base we dont know about
It seems Fadedsteve monitors us more than our own government - he's always writing about how Islam is taking over Britain.

As for secret bases, they've got a lot of public ones so I doubt they really need any more.  RAF Menwith Hill springs to mind for "intelligence gathering"
That was the one I was thinking about... the one everyone does know about but last I heard they still denied it even existed (thinking of the 'Mark Thomas Product' program)

Last edited by KylieTastic (2007-06-07 15:53:33)

_j5689_
Dreads & Bergers
+364|7163|Riva, MD
The beginning paragraph sounds like Half-Life 2 and the way Dr. Breen and the Combine run things in City 17.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7136|Tampa Bay Florida
Great book, Im reading it now and I'm about half-way through.  I want to know whats going on with O'Brien......

There comes a point where theres just too much potential control by the gov't.  Heck, theres not just 1984, the UK has lots of other fictional fascist governments taking over... V for Vendetta, Children of Men.  It only takes one worldwide pandemic to make people huddle together like cattle and follow a leader, without question.  And because UK is on an island, it just makes things that much worse.  I'm glad I dont live there, personally.  That and Blair is Bush's hand-puppet..
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7147|Little Rock, Arkansas

Spearhead wrote:

Great book, Im reading it now and I'm about half-way through.  I want to know whats going on with O'Brien......

There comes a point where theres just too much potential control by the gov't.  Heck, theres not just 1984, the UK has lots of other fictional fascist governments taking over... V for Vendetta, Children of Men.  It only takes one worldwide pandemic to make people huddle together like cattle and follow a leader, without question.  And because UK is on an island, it just makes things that much worse.  I'm glad I dont live there, personally.  That and Blair is Bush's hand-puppet..
I prefered 28 Days Later, and 28 Weeks Later, personally.

Nothing like a nation killing pandemic to bring that arrogance down a notch or two....
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7111|NT, like Mick Dundee

JihaadJack wrote:

The Australian government pushed through some pretty strong anti-sedition laws not too long ago... that everyone made a huge stink about for a week or so before it faded away unnoticed, with the government rubbing their hands together gleefully no doubt. It sickens me that feckarse celebrities can be on the news for weeks yet this just slips peoples minds? Not that i can do anything to change it. But people should really wake the frak up
Sunset provision in that act means it comes up for review and will probably be scrapped in 2011 or 2012 I believe.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

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