That's an argument you'd very quickly lose. The amount of water and land it takes to raise enough cattle to feed a city is insurmountably large compared to the minuscule (by comparison) resources you'd need to farm enough beans to provide the same nutrients (protiens).S.Lythberg wrote:
If you've got a better way to feed 300 million people, I'd like to see it.
War is man's own fault. Did the cows shoot the farmers, maybe?Tshadow wrote:
I watched the video..and i like animals and i kinda feel for them too. They are tortured really bad, but dun you think u shoudl worry about the people who die of war..i think thats meaningless killing, people who are tortured and killed. Atleast these animals have some kinda of meaningful death ( i am not saying i support their torture) but i think freezer you should think about people first, people who get their limps torn from a misfired shell and then they lie on the ground and bleed to death.
QFEFenris_GreyClaw wrote:
No offence, but you do realise that anyone who watches that movie will probably not be swayed to stop eating meat. They like meat and have been eating it for years; unless you come up with proof that meat is poison, just about any argument is useless/pointless.
you seem to be far too susceptible to well advertised videos claiming to be what happens all the time when it isntFreezer7Pro wrote:
You seem to ahve no respect for the animals suffering. That's what happens every day. Yet again, how would you like it if some guy comes and burns you with a rod and rips your balls out?
i agree completelyFreezer7Pro wrote:
Even if theese are the worst case scenarios, it's horrible that it happens at all.
IF war is man's own fault..then whose fault is it for mistreating animals? ANIMALS????Freezer7Pro wrote:
War is man's own fault. Did the cows shoot the farmers, maybe?Tshadow wrote:
I watched the video..and i like animals and i kinda feel for them too. They are tortured really bad, but dun you think u shoudl worry about the people who die of war..i think thats meaningless killing, people who are tortured and killed. Atleast these animals have some kinda of meaningful death ( i am not saying i support their torture) but i think freezer you should think about people first, people who get their limps torn from a misfired shell and then they lie on the ground and bleed to death.
/agreesexecuti0ner wrote:
Listen, if you think this is wrong, then the enemy is not the farmers or the people that eat meat, its the HUGE manufacturers of meat products. Just like a Wal-mart, they only look at efficiency and run the small, family-owned farms out of business by producing meat in extreme quantities and charging so little for it that no one can compete. The only reason that I want this to change is for the thousands (probably more) of people that made an honest living producing food for the rest of the nation that don't have jobs anymore because of these ridiculous corporations that can manufacture it and sell it for a lower price. Call me crazy, but I tend to care about the people effected by this more than the animals.
they do, they get shut down pretty fast around hereFreezer7Pro wrote:
No matter if this is very common or not, it's still horrible that it happens. I'm no vegetarian, and I don't say everyone should be, but the way theese animals are treated is horrifying. The (few?) places that treat their animals like this should get a makeover.
No human is completely innocent. Those cows hasn't even got teh space to commit any sins, that they'd not do anyhow.Tshadow wrote:
IF war is man's own fault..then whose fault is it for mistreating animals? ANIMALS????Freezer7Pro wrote:
War is man's own fault. Did the cows shoot the farmers, maybe?Tshadow wrote:
I watched the video..and i like animals and i kinda feel for them too. They are tortured really bad, but dun you think u shoudl worry about the people who die of war..i think thats meaningless killing, people who are tortured and killed. Atleast these animals have some kinda of meaningful death ( i am not saying i support their torture) but i think freezer you should think about people first, people who get their limps torn from a misfired shell and then they lie on the ground and bleed to death.
What kinda ignorant reponse was that? All the bad things in the world happens because of us, and so is human torture and war and killings of innocent people. And i personallly think that we should try and fix that first before we move on to the animal issues
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NO human is completely innocent..THATS THE ONLY THING U PICKED UP FROM MY POST???Freezer7Pro wrote:
No human is completely innocent. Those cows hasn't even got teh space to commit any sins, that they'd not do anyhow.Tshadow wrote:
IF war is man's own fault..then whose fault is it for mistreating animals? ANIMALS????Freezer7Pro wrote:
War is man's own fault. Did the cows shoot the farmers, maybe?
What kinda ignorant reponse was that? All the bad things in the world happens because of us, and so is human torture and war and killings of innocent people. And i personallly think that we should try and fix that first before we move on to the animal issues
Yes, babies might be innocent, but almost anyone over 5 has commited a sin... large or small.Tshadow wrote:
NO human is completely innocent..THATS THE ONLY THING U PICKED UP FROM MY POST???Freezer7Pro wrote:
No human is completely innocent. Those cows hasn't even got teh space to commit any sins, that they'd not do anyhow.Tshadow wrote:
IF war is man's own fault..then whose fault is it for mistreating animals? ANIMALS????
What kinda ignorant reponse was that? All the bad things in the world happens because of us, and so is human torture and war and killings of innocent people. And i personallly think that we should try and fix that first before we move on to the animal issues
I think little toddlers who die because of war are INNOCENT. Don't you?? Cuz if you Don't, Then YOU ARE DEMENTED my friend.
And to address you claims about sins..I Don't Think Animals can commit sins..its not possible for any animal to commit a Sin. Cuz the only thing they might do is kill another animal, but thats because they have to eat..and i dun think thats a Sin
So this is about religion now?Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yes, babies might be innocent, but almost anyone over 5 has commited a sin... large or small.Tshadow wrote:
NO human is completely innocent..THATS THE ONLY THING U PICKED UP FROM MY POST???Freezer7Pro wrote:
No human is completely innocent. Those cows hasn't even got teh space to commit any sins, that they'd not do anyhow.
I think little toddlers who die because of war are INNOCENT. Don't you?? Cuz if you Don't, Then YOU ARE DEMENTED my friend.
And to address you claims about sins..I Don't Think Animals can commit sins..its not possible for any animal to commit a Sin. Cuz the only thing they might do is kill another animal, but thats because they have to eat..and i dun think thats a Sin
Hot damn, ya beat me to it.Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:
So this is about religion now?Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yes, babies might be innocent, but almost anyone over 5 has commited a sin... large or small.Tshadow wrote:
NO human is completely innocent..THATS THE ONLY THING U PICKED UP FROM MY POST???
I think little toddlers who die because of war are INNOCENT. Don't you?? Cuz if you Don't, Then YOU ARE DEMENTED my friend.
And to address you claims about sins..I Don't Think Animals can commit sins..its not possible for any animal to commit a Sin. Cuz the only thing they might do is kill another animal, but thats because they have to eat..and i dun think thats a Sin
Now then, how did humans get big brains.... Hmm...Freezer7Pro wrote:
Eating animals that have strafed around on fields, not stood in small boxes all their life to get to a slow, painful death, is OK. I agree that "the aussie way" to shove an electric rod up their neck is good, atleast better than the treatment showed in the movie. And yes, meat is an important part of our diet, but the ammounts we consume (Yes, me too) is way too large! Instead of the recommended scale of 60-40, we eat about 80-20 meat-vegetables. And we still have much meat over.
What do I win?cowami wrote:
Hot damn, ya beat me to it.Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:
So this is about religion now?Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yes, babies might be innocent, but almost anyone over 5 has commited a sin... large or small.
Ehm... No. I haven't mentioned anything about any religion. With sin I refer to breaking any rule. E.G taking some candy from the table or going to sleep w/o brushing your teeth. Just couldn't find any better word for it.Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:
So this is about religion now?Freezer7Pro wrote:
Yes, babies might be innocent, but almost anyone over 5 has commited a sin... large or small.Tshadow wrote:
NO human is completely innocent..THATS THE ONLY THING U PICKED UP FROM MY POST???
I think little toddlers who die because of war are INNOCENT. Don't you?? Cuz if you Don't, Then YOU ARE DEMENTED my friend.
And to address you claims about sins..I Don't Think Animals can commit sins..its not possible for any animal to commit a Sin. Cuz the only thing they might do is kill another animal, but thats because they have to eat..and i dun think thats a Sin
Teh intranatz.Fenris_GreyClaw wrote:
What do I win?cowami wrote:
Hot damn, ya beat me to it.