if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
i would move away..
A person from Palestine, an administrative region of the old Ottoman empire, stretching from the Egyptian border to the Jordan river. Not that hard, eh?theelviscerator wrote:
Define Palestinian first.
I dare you.
That's the good old defeatist attitude. Suffering an horrific injustice? Give up!tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
Wow.
Hey it's what built America!CameronPoe wrote:
That's the good old defeatist attitude. Suffering an horrific injustice? Give up!tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
Wow.
and see members of your family/ loved ones suffer everyday?CameronPoe wrote:
That's the good old defeatist attitude. Suffering an horrific injustice? Give up!tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
Wow.
live in a place where your children have little to no hope of living a 'normal' life?
its not defeatist, its wanting the the best for my family and myself. i want them to live and not get caught up in the corrupt and vicious in-fighting thats going on between hamas and fatah.
let them sort out their agenda and shit out first.
locking horns with israel is bad enough without being handicapped by petty jealousy and senseless violence. how does one fight a 'horrific injustice' when half the time its being heaped on by your own people?
edit: you want to stay and see your sons and daughters die, its your choice.
Last edited by tthf (2007-06-13 02:12:20)
Exactly, and it's not like Europe. All the neighbors speak the same language and have the same religion. It's practically the same thing except in a better place without all that shit hitting the fan.
They lose when the state of Israel was created, they should've done more then. Get over it you can't do anything now as much as you try, just like the Natives should've done more when the Europeans came to the Americas. Tough shit. Best thing to do is move and give everyone a better life.
They lose when the state of Israel was created, they should've done more then. Get over it you can't do anything now as much as you try, just like the Natives should've done more when the Europeans came to the Americas. Tough shit. Best thing to do is move and give everyone a better life.
Sorry buddy, I don't just roll over for some tyrant. When the people of a region or country roll over for some tyrant then they deserve not one iota of respect. 'Are you gonna keeping running all of your life or are you gonna stand up and be a man?' is the question I would be asking myself.tthf wrote:
and see members of your family/ loved ones suffer everyday?
live in a place where your children have little to no hope of living a 'normal' life?
its not defeatist, its wanting the the best for my family and myself. i want them to live and not get caught up in the corrupt and vicious in-fighting thats going on between hamas and fatah.
let them sort out their agenda and shit out first.
locking horns with israel is bad enough without being handicapped by petty jealousy and senseless violence. how does one fight a 'horrific injustice' when half the time its being heaped on by your own people?
edit: you want to stay and see your sons and daughters die, its your choice.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-13 02:22:22)
So what. leave the land that you legally own. Land your father and grandfather and great grandfather farmed and lived off all their lives and go were? A tent city or chantey town in a refugee camp, were you own nothing and the country harbouring your affords you no rights and is hostile to your presence? Listen to yourself................tthf wrote:
and see members of your family/ loved ones suffer everyday?CameronPoe wrote:
That's the good old defeatist attitude. Suffering an horrific injustice? Give up!tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
Wow.
live in a place where your children have little to no hope of living a 'normal' life?
its not defeatist, its wanting the the best for my family and myself. i want them to live and not get caught up in the corrupt and vicious in-fighting that's going on between hamas and fatah.
let them sort out their agenda and shit out first.
locking horns with israel is bad enough without being handicapped by petty jealousy and senseless violence. how does one fight a 'horrific injustice' when half the time its being heaped on by your own people?
edit: you want to stay and see your sons and daughters die, its your choice.
thats your right to choose.
however, its easy to talk when one is far away and living in a safe and peaceful environment. how 'manly' would it be of you to let your 12yr old son/daughter become a suicide bomber for the cause? i wanna see you walk around with your head held high after that happens.
and how would you fight the israeli army? even if by some miracle you win and roll over israel, you know what would happen? the last standing israeli would just detonate their nukes (yes they have nukes, if the israeli nation is defeated, so will their enemies follow not far behind). so victory for what? to see my land my people and my family turn to squish?
however, its easy to talk when one is far away and living in a safe and peaceful environment. how 'manly' would it be of you to let your 12yr old son/daughter become a suicide bomber for the cause? i wanna see you walk around with your head held high after that happens.
and how would you fight the israeli army? even if by some miracle you win and roll over israel, you know what would happen? the last standing israeli would just detonate their nukes (yes they have nukes, if the israeli nation is defeated, so will their enemies follow not far behind). so victory for what? to see my land my people and my family turn to squish?
Yeah, & the reason why we are living in a safe and peaceful environment is because we never gave up & ran away..tthf wrote:
thats your right to choose.
however, its easy to talk when one is far away and living in a safe and peaceful environment. how 'manly' would it be of you to let your 12yr old son/daughter become a suicide bomber for the cause? i wanna see you walk around with your head held high after that happens.
and how would you fight the israeli army? even if by some miracle you win and roll over israel, you know what would happen? the last standing israeli would just detonate their nukes (yes they have nukes, if the israeli nation is defeated, so will their enemies follow not far behind). so victory for what? to see my land my people and my family turn to squish?
circumstances are different.
you drove the english back.
where as a palestinian would i drive the israelis to?
if the english had no england to go back to would they have left ireland? would there be peace in ireland now?
you drove the english back.
where as a palestinian would i drive the israelis to?
if the english had no england to go back to would they have left ireland? would there be peace in ireland now?
The internationally recognised Israel along 1948 borders perhaps?tthf wrote:
circumstances are different.
you drove the english back.
where as a palestinian would i drive the israelis to?
if the english had no england to go back to would they have left ireland? would there be peace in ireland now?
I spent the first 27 years of my life living in a war zone bordering on civil war. It was far from a "safe and peaceful environment" Ive seen people blown to bits, you are the one with no experience in the matter.tthf wrote:
thats your right to choose.
however, its easy to talk when one is far away and living in a safe and peaceful environment.
Show me these many parents who you use to generalize a whole nations population, who send their 12yearolds out to kill themselves? The 12 year old you are talking about had a bomb planted on them by terrorists, not the child's father, get your facts right and stop sensationalising.tthf wrote:
how 'manly' would it be of you to let your 12yr old son/daughter become a suicide bomber for the cause? i wanna see you walk around with your head held high after that happens.
You seam to blindly believe that this Palestinian situation can only be won by one side wiping out the other. They can live together, but first the hard liners have to be removed and talks need to begin. It can be sorted out around the table with some compromise from both sides.tthf wrote:
and how would you fight the Israeli army? even if by some miracle you win and roll over israel, you know what would happen? the last standing israeli would just detonate their nukes (yes they have nukes, if the israeli nation is defeated, so will their enemies follow not far behind). so victory for what? to see my land my people and my family turn to squish?
do you think both sides would EVER agree to that? whichever palestinian/ israeli leader agrees to that must be prepared for the fact that he will be assasinated/ lynched. its beyond political sucide.CameronPoe wrote:
The internationally recognised Israel along 1948 borders perhaps?tthf wrote:
circumstances are different.
you drove the english back.
where as a palestinian would i drive the israelis to?
if the english had no england to go back to would they have left ireland? would there be peace in ireland now?
such a conclusion, ironically will be deemed as a failure and deep humiliation by both sides.
Fact of the matter is that is what is demanded by international law and is the only thing that would be morally acceptable. People would probably have baulked at the idea of Israel giving up the Sinai to Egypt in return for anything but give it up they did: for peace. People would never have imagined that Israel would evacuate the Gaza Strip: but they did. An open mind is what is required here. It's what Saudi Arabia wants from Israel in return for normalised relations with all Arab countries.tthf wrote:
do you think both sides would EVER agree to that? whichever palestinian/ israeli leader agrees to that must be prepared for the fact that he will be assasinated/ lynched. its beyond political sucide.CameronPoe wrote:
The internationally recognised Israel along 1948 borders perhaps?tthf wrote:
circumstances are different.
you drove the english back.
where as a palestinian would i drive the israelis to?
if the english had no england to go back to would they have left ireland? would there be peace in ireland now?
such a conclusion, ironically will be deemed as a failure and deep humiliation by both sides.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-06-13 02:53:27)
you'd be surprised..tthf wrote:
do you think both sides would EVER agree to that? whichever palestinian/ israeli leader agrees to that must be prepared for the fact that he will be assasinated/ lynched. its beyond political sucide.CameronPoe wrote:
The internationally recognised Israel along 1948 borders perhaps?tthf wrote:
circumstances are different.
you drove the english back.
where as a palestinian would i drive the israelis to?
if the english had no england to go back to would they have left ireland? would there be peace in ireland now?
such a conclusion, ironically will be deemed as a failure and deep humiliation by both sides.
1. i admire that you stayed in such an environment and kudos to you for staying alive. yes, i have live in peace all my life but we are talking about if i was a palestinian. not american, not irish, not singaporean etc etc. its my choice of opinion.JahManRed wrote:
I spent the first 27 years of my life living in a war zone bordering on civil war. It was far from a "safe and peaceful environment" Ive seen people blown to bits, you are the one with no experience in the matter.tthf wrote:
thats your right to choose.
however, its easy to talk when one is far away and living in a safe and peaceful environment.Show me these many parents who you use to generalize a whole nations population, who send their 12yearolds out to kill themselves? The 12 year old you are talking about had a bomb planted on them by terrorists, not the child's father, get your facts right and stop sensationalising.tthf wrote:
how 'manly' would it be of you to let your 12yr old son/daughter become a suicide bomber for the cause? i wanna see you walk around with your head held high after that happens.You seam to blindly believe that this Palestinian situation can only be won by one side wiping out the other. They can live together, but first the hard liners have to be removed and talks need to begin. It can be sorted out around the table with some compromise from both sides.tthf wrote:
and how would you fight the Israeli army? even if by some miracle you win and roll over israel, you know what would happen? the last standing israeli would just detonate their nukes (yes they have nukes, if the israeli nation is defeated, so will their enemies follow not far behind). so victory for what? to see my land my people and my family turn to squish?
2. you miss my point. would you want to be in an environment where your child is recruited/ abducted to become a suicide bomber?
3. are you that naive? remove the hardliners? see saddam/ iraq. do you see any peace in sight between the sunnis and shia people?
international law? morally acceptable? like what bush thought was right for iraq?CameronPoe wrote:
Fact of the matter is that is what is demanded by international law and is the only thing that would be morally acceptable. People would probably have baulked at the idea of Israel giving up the Sinai to Egypt in return for anything but give it up they did: for peace. People would never have imagined that Israel would evacuate the Gaza Strip: but they did. An open mind is what is required here. It's what Saudi Arabia wants from Israel in return for normalised relations with all Arab countries.tthf wrote:
do you think both sides would EVER agree to that? whichever palestinian/ israeli leader agrees to that must be prepared for the fact that he will be assasinated/ lynched. its beyond political sucide.CameronPoe wrote:
The internationally recognised Israel along 1948 borders perhaps?
such a conclusion, ironically will be deemed as a failure and deep humiliation by both sides.
try telling the would be affected israelis to give up their homes.
ideally one would give it up for peace. but how many people there are idealists? especially if it affects their home and liveihood.
Erm. What Bush thought was right for Iraq? Gimme a break.tthf wrote:
international law? morally acceptable? like what bush thought was right for iraq?
try telling the would be affected israelis to give up their homes.
ideally one would give it up for peace. but how many people there are idealists? especially if it affects their home and liveihood.
IT WAS NOT RIGHT OF ISRAELI SETTLERS TO OCCUPY THE WEST BANK. It never will be right. They have masses of unused space inside 1948 Israel to build on but they chose to try and annex land that WAS NOT THEIRS. How about the people whose land they STOLE? Are you telling me now that stealing is morally acceptable? Sheesh. Those settlers should go back to Israel proper. Just like the settlers in the Sinai who had to go back home and just like the settlers in Gaza. Is that too hard to understand? It has been done, can be done and should be done.
and what can you or i do about it? can we sway israeli policy?CameronPoe wrote:
Erm. What Bush thought was right for Iraq? Gimme a break.tthf wrote:
international law? morally acceptable? like what bush thought was right for iraq?
try telling the would be affected israelis to give up their homes.
ideally one would give it up for peace. but how many people there are idealists? especially if it affects their home and liveihood.
IT WAS NOT RIGHT OF ISRAELI SETTLERS TO OCCUPY THE WEST BANK. It never will be right. They have masses of unused space inside 1948 Israel to build on but they chose to try and annex land that WAS NOT THEIRS. How about the people whose land they STOLE? Are you telling me now that stealing is morally acceptable? Sheesh. Those settlers should go back to Israel proper. Just like the settlers in the Sinai who had to go back home and just like the settlers in Gaza. Is that too hard to understand? It has been done, can be done and should be done.
the question was if i was a palestinian.
i'm not. so lay off.
Don't take offence. You're entitled to your opinion. This a forum however and on the forum we respond to each others opinions, that's what it's all about.tthf wrote:
and what can you or i do about it? can we sway israeli policy?
the question was if i was a palestinian.
i'm not. so lay off.
no offense taken. although a bit miffed by jahmanred.CameronPoe wrote:
Don't take offence. You're entitled to your opinion. This a forum however and on the forum we respond to each others opinions, that's what it's all about.tthf wrote:
and what can you or i do about it? can we sway israeli policy?
the question was if i was a palestinian.
i'm not. so lay off.
If you were you, would you move away in the same conditions in your home land?tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
if where i am now is in a situation like palestine?sergeriver wrote:
If you were you, would you move away in the same conditions in your home land?tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
yes, without a doubt.
Where would you move to? It's highly unlikely that you'd be granted citizenship in any foreign country. You'd be stuck in equally bad conditions in a refugee camp in a neighbouring country. Do have any idea how long people have been living in the refugee camps around Palestine?tthf wrote:
if where i am now is in a situation like palestine?sergeriver wrote:
If you were you, would you move away in the same conditions in your home land?tthf wrote:
if i were a palestinian.....
i would move away..
yes, without a doubt.
So you plan on living in equally squalid and unsafe conditions (especially with situations like in Lebanon recently with Fatah al Islam), allowing your homeland to be stolen from you so you have nowhere to return to and are at the mercy of the international asylum system?
Great plan. I can really see you've thought this one through.