sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7203|Argentina
Several times I've been labeled as anti-American just for criticizing US foreign policies, mainly the ones held by GWB administration.
Many people confuse critics to a government with feelings against the country of that government.  In a recent thread most foreigners were called Nationalists.  Let's check the meaning of this word.

Nationalism Encyclopaedia Britannica definition : ideology based on the premise that the individual's loyalty and devotion to the nation-state surpass other individual or group interests.

How can anyone be Nationalist, according to the above definition, just by criticizing the GWB administration?

What has Nationalism to do with criticizing the policies of a government, not a country?

Why do many Americans think that hate has anything to do with this?

The same happens with the Israel-Palestine issue.  If you criticize Israel government, then you are anti-Semite.  The fact is most of the Middle East has a Semite heritage.  The fact is Israel is a state, not a Religion, not an ethnicity, so if you criticize the government of Israel, it doesn't mean you are anti-Semite or you hate Jews.  I've been labeled as anti-Semite, being myself half Jew.  People should understand that you can be against Israel's policies without being extremist or anti-Semite.  If you support the struggle of Palestine, then you are an extremist.

Then, we have other people generalizing about Muslims and labeling them as extremists for the actions of a few radicals, and that falls into Islamophobia.  Gladly, they are the less.

Most Americans are good people.  Most Israelis are good people.  Most Muslims are good people.
The thing is most people here are not anti-American.  Most people are not anti-Semite.  Most people are not Islmophobe.

As long as we don't learn the difference between criticism and hate, we won't be able to debate anything at all.
Marinejuana
local
+415|7031|Seattle
The US has very poor public education. Some of the worst in the "developed" world.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6988|Texas - Bigger than France
is daily multi-posting of criticism stalking or antiamericanism?
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6965|Πάϊ
is apathy criminal?
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7203|Argentina

Pug wrote:

is daily multi-posting of criticism stalking or antiamericanism?
Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7130|United States of America
Bah, you're not anti-American. I could, however, suggest some other people who may be {secret FBI recording commence}

All Americans can still be nationalistic and still criticize the president. He is an elected official, and not the country. He's a small bump in a line of leaders who haven't been less-than-popular during their tenure in the White House. I hope to God that people who suggest that all Palestine supporters are are anti-Semitic or all Muslims are terrorists do not believe what they say, because it is unbelievable. You have to be half-kidding to suggest such a thing.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6988|Texas - Bigger than France

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

is daily multi-posting of criticism stalking or antiamericanism?
Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7078|949

A quote from Propaghandi sums it up for me -

Fuck zionism.
Fuck militarism.
Fuck americanism.
Fuck nationalism.
Fuck religion. (x8)

From Haile Selassie Up Your Ass
Fen321
Member
+54|6943|Singularity

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

is daily multi-posting of criticism stalking or antiamericanism?
Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
I support America's right to self destruction.

Don't know if this is a secret or not, but in umm debate sections you don't type praises about other countries, well some do, but then it comes down to the fact that you can't debate a praise..get it?
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,993|7078|949

Fen321 wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
I support America's right to self destruction.

Don't know if this is a secret or not, but in umm debate sections you don't type praises about other countries, well some do, but then it comes down to the fact that you can't debate a praise..get it?
Haha.  This is the Debate and Serious Talk subforum in name only.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7207

Fen321 wrote:

I support America's right to self destruction.
And we support your right to sit on a double headed spiked dildo.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6988|Texas - Bigger than France

Fen321 wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
I support America's right to self destruction.

Don't know if this is a secret or not, but in umm debate sections you don't type praises about other countries, well some do, but then it comes down to the fact that you can't debate a praise..get it?
You missed the point. It's an unwinnable argument.

Being vigilant will result in a stereotype. 

Serge wants me to rehash his past posts, of points already made.  I choose to debate within those threads.  So the open question was answered with an open question, which basically outlines an alternative view to make him understand why people have thrown the label his way.

He's not an America-hater.  I understand where Serge is coming from, he wants America to change.

And yes, you can debate praise - there's one about the death penalty right now...
golgoj4
Member
+51|7220|North Hollywood

Fen321 wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
I support America's right to self destruction.

Don't know if this is a secret or not, but in umm debate sections you don't type praises about other countries, well some do, but then it comes down to the fact that you can't debate a praise..get it?
I dont know. I have to debate the praise that people give the the ultimate fake, Rudy G about 9/11. You can debate praise I think.
Fen321
Member
+54|6943|Singularity
Let me clarify -- praise is given out by those that actually mean it. So to counter a praise one obviously doesn't follow suite with a similar praise, but typically a rebuttal of sorts that may be misconstrued by the person whom is giving out the praise. Hence the OMGAWDZ you hate America because i said nice things and now you say bad things. That's all i was trying to get across.
XanKrieger
iLurk
+60|7104|South West England
I wouldnt worry, most of the civilised world save the few americans and the GWB admin think the Foreign Policy is crap

Last edited by XanKrieger (2007-06-11 12:59:17)

Janysc
Member
+59|7129|Norway
I'm a random lurker, and I approve of OP. +1.

I choked on my breakfast that morning when I read, "Nationalists fuck off" in a thread about anti-Americanism. Nationalism? That certain someone obviously don't know what on earth they're talking about.

"Ah, so you don't like McDonald's, eh? Fuck off, you rotten Burger King cunt."

Last edited by Janysc (2007-06-11 13:38:31)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7203|Argentina

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

is daily multi-posting of criticism stalking or antiamericanism?
Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
Since I criticize in all of them, it'll be easy to give examples for you.
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6800|West NY

Marinejuana wrote:

The US has very poor public education. Some of the worst in the "developed" world.
Not my town. Some of the best scores, all teachers are awesome and help with everything...webpages and crap...oh yeah and our principal says gay...roflcopterz
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6914

Marinejuana wrote:

The US has very poor public education. Some of the worst in the "developed" world.
Therein lies the problem. Ignorance breeds hate.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7207

Marinejuana wrote:

The US has very poor public education. Some of the worst in the "developed" world.
Oh bullshit excuses.  Blame blame blame.

School is the best early equalizer.  It determines who will be the ditch diggers and who will run the ditch digging company.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6988|Texas - Bigger than France

sergeriver wrote:

Pug wrote:

sergeriver wrote:


Which daily posting are you talking about?  Give examples.
Give examples of the ones where you aren't criticizing, and in fact give praise...
Since I criticize in all of them, it'll be easy to give examples for you.
Exactly, takes too long.  You get my point right?  You're going to be misunderstood.  It's part of being devil's advocate...unless you're stalking...
aj0404
It'll just be our little secret
+298|6795|Iowa...
i don't care if our government is criticized.hell,i hate our government.i just don't like it when people that have never lived here make stupid generalizations.i'm sick of hearing "Americans are fat lazy bastards that think they're better than everyone else." coupled along with "we aren't jealous of you.why the hell would we be jealous of you?Americans are so fucking arrogant." it just gets old.yes,some of us are over-patriotic.a lot of us are fat and lazy.point is,i'm glad i'm not one of them and i hate it when an entire country's people are judged by the actions of certain people. *coughBUSHcough*
not all of us agree with him you know.

Last edited by aj0404 (2007-06-11 19:24:03)

fadedsteve
GOP Sympathizer
+266|6936|Menlo Park, CA

usmarine2005 wrote:

Fen321 wrote:

I support America's right to self destruction.
And we support your right to sit on a double headed spiked dildo.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7095

usmarine2005 wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

The US has very poor public education. Some of the worst in the "developed" world.
Oh bullshit excuses.  Blame blame blame.

School is the best early equalizer.  It determines who will be the ditch diggers and who will run the ditch digging company.
Neither sound too appealing to me...
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7203|Argentina

aj0404 wrote:

i don't care if our government is criticized.hell,i hate our government.i just don't like it when people that have never lived here make stupid generalizations.i'm sick of hearing "Americans are fat lazy bastards that think they're better than everyone else." coupled along with "we aren't jealous of you.why the hell would we be jealous of you?Americans are so fucking arrogant." it just gets old.yes,some of us are over-patriotic.a lot of us are fat and lazy.point is,i'm glad i'm not one of them and i hate it when an entire country's people are judged by the actions of certain people. *coughBUSHcough*
not all of us agree with him you know.
That's anti-Americanism and prejudice, do u see the difference?

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-06-12 05:40:26)

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