BF2S Forums Ok guys, time to stop slamming EA/Dice

pirana6 wrote:

Yes, it's annoying when servers stop updating but I think everybody is being quite naive about the subject.

When a problem like stats not updating arises, the company knows full well and they probably knew long before most of the people playing knew. I'm sure they are doing everything they can to fix this as soon as possible. Don't say that the company doesn't care about the people because they know that if they just gave up on this game, people would stop buying from them and they would be out of business. EA probably knows exactly what the problem is and probably how to fix it; it's just not a 1 step, 3 minute process. There's nothing they like less than having a bad rap about their company so this probably really is their biggest concern right now.  Give them some time.

EVERY GAME WILL HAVE BUGS!  When a small game that not a lot of people play is released there are bugs, but due to the lack of people playing, there is less of a chance that anyone will notice them and not be reported. When you make a game (i.e. BF2) where hundreds of thousands of people all over the world play, there is an extremely good chance that bugs will be noticed and they are often taken care of in the form of patches. As time goes on, more and more patches are released at the notice of more and more bugs in the games and there will almost never be a time when a large game (i.e. BF2) will be bug-less, they will get the biggest ones first and move along getting the smaller ones. The bugs left after a few years will be very small and only very anal people or those that play the game a LOT will ever notice them. MOVE ON.

I have no involvement with EA or DICE but everyone was stating that they were and awful company and they did not care about the consumers. If you disagree with the game or it makes you mad, stop playing. While the companies like your involvement (money) they aren't going to change anything over your protest.
I personally love BF2 and I don't plan to stop playing anytime soon (granted I've only been playing for about a year). There are a few bugs and a few things I don't like but the good FAR outweighs the bad.

pirana6 wrote:

Don't say that the company doesn't care about the people because they know that if they just gave up on this game, people would stop buying from them and they would be out of business.

As time goes on, more and more patches are released at the notice of more and more bugs in the games and there will almost never be a time when a large game (i.e. BF2) will be bug-less, they will get the biggest ones first and move along getting the smaller ones. The bugs left after a few years will be very small and only very anal people or those that play the game a LOT will ever notice them. MOVE ON.

When hundreds of thousands of people play an online, multiplayer game, there will be disagreement about EVERYTHING. There will be disagreement about which guns are the best, which maps are the best, which characters are the best, etc. and not everyone will get along. EA/Dice has to try to make everything as equal as possible and they have to change stuff around from the original game released (again, this comes by way of patches). This may involve making some guns worse or making some better. Getting mad because your favorite gun was enfeebled is understandable but there was a reason it was your favorite - it was really strong and unfair compared to the rest of the guns.

If you disagree with the game or it makes you mad, stop playing.

Snipingruven wrote:

Renegade wrote:

How much did EA pay you?

Ea paid me with an awesome game, with support and an active interest in fixing problems (ie:all the updates) with it, all for a decent price. If I were doing other hobbies for the same periods of time I played BF2, it would cost me much more.

iPoon.be wrote:

There are still arguments against EA. Of course managing an online game with a huge community and attention from hackers is tough, but all the more reason to make sure you deliver quality games.
EA is always pushing its developers to bring something out sooner than later, in order to make more and faster money. "A few leftover bugs? Well, it may cost us a bit of the game's presentation, but we'll make more money sooner, and we can patch that up later anyway!"

The result is that their games are usually buggy, and run pretty bad for no reason. This is largely in contrast to companies such as Valve (HL2 had the best graphics of its time, but also ran smoothly on every system) and Blizzard (actually canceled an entire game (Starcraft: Ghost) because it didnt meet their quality requirements.

EA does bring out good games, but they havent quite learned that their focus should be on gamers, not the gamers money.

bokomu wrote:

Inbelivable, How can you think such good about EA after seeing the result. IF it were their "biggest consern right now", Don't you think it would be fixed in matters of hours?, Didn't you read the response one user got from EA many days after it happend?, They kind of wanted help confirming the problem from more users. EA have already made it's money from bf, and the only reason they attend to it at all is to prevent MANY users from stop playing at all.

bokomu wrote:

(and if userbase is very low = no more chance of milking for ex. expansion updates). And about EAs rep. going down, it's already very low by the few who cares. I think many people just buy games after reading about how good the game is in a magazine, or by the recommendation from a friend. not careing about how the distributer take care of the market after 1-2 years..

BOURBON-USMC- wrote:

What are you saying with this post? People aren't allowed to bitch about things? Well, call me stupid, because thats exactly what this thread is....a bitch fest. Sure, while i can see your side of the argument on the grounds that yeah, its getting old already, and they do try their hardest...you just cant expect people to just stop expressing their displeasure in something. People can bitch about people who bitch moan and complain about stuff all they want, in turn they are only but doing the same thing. Bitching is the starting point upon where a solution comes next. What would be the point of trying to improve on something if you never get any negative feedback? Im sure that there are people of the EA/DiCE team who read these forums everyday just to get an idea of what people want from their products (Battlefield series in particular) and if how you suggested nobody say anything, they would be completely clueless about where to start.

Sure it might be out of all of our hands as far as making the changes, but we the gamers bring those ideas to light.

Sgt.Gene wrote:

Didnt play from day 1 did u?

xintegrityx wrote:

I won't be buying any more EA or DICE products, but that's only because I'm an adult who understands how economics work, and that the best way to protest against their buggy products is by not purchasing any more of them. I'd say a large percentage of the people who play this game are children or teenagers who don't know better and will continue buying EA/DICE products. So "giving up on the game" wouldn't lead them to go out of business. I'd say they've already "given up" on it in some ways - the length of time it took them to address a fundamental issue like the CTDs of patch 1.3 shows that they obviously don't care much about keeping their customers, and the fact that Highway Tampa is plastered with Intel ads doesn't give me much faith in their generosity. In truth, they don't really need to care about what we think. We already bought the game and it's not like we can cancel our accounts if we're unhappy - this isn't an MMORPG and EA doesn't pay for bandwidth, aside from hosting a few official EA servers. The customers pay for the majority of the bandwidth by purchasing servers themselves. It's an excellent business model: your customers don't like your product, it's no skin off your back - you already have their money, and most of them don't realize what's wrong with it in the first place.

EA has the exclusive rights to produce football games with the NFL license. They can afford to lose a few customers.

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

I think many of you fail the realize that it is GameSpy that owns the master-stats server and is more their fault than EA's for this problem.

iPoon.be wrote:

pirana6 wrote:

iPoon.be wrote:

There are still arguments against EA. Of course managing an online game with a huge community and attention from hackers is tough, but all the more reason to make sure you deliver quality games.
EA is always pushing its developers to bring something out sooner than later, in order to make more and faster money. "A few leftover bugs? Well, it may cost us a bit of the game's presentation, but we'll make more money sooner, and we can patch that up later anyway!"

The result is that their games are usually buggy, and run pretty bad for no reason. This is largely in contrast to companies such as Valve (HL2 had the best graphics of its time, but also ran smoothly on every system) and Blizzard (actually canceled an entire game (Starcraft: Ghost) because it didnt meet their quality requirements.

EA does bring out good games, but they havent quite learned that their focus should be on gamers, not the gamers money.

Your 100% correct but look at this from their level, if they can make that much more money buy putting the game out a little sooner then why not? As long as they fix it later (for the most part) they can do it no problem. Look how much bigger EA is than Blizzard (of course this isn't from this reason alone but I'm sure it helps).

You bet its good for EA, but how do YOU feel about it? How do YOU like buying games you know are going to be buggy, and then get shit customer service in return? Two years after they released BF2 there are still issues that could have been solved by listening to their customers. Heck, the patches they did bring out were enormous, like they dont give a shit.

What im trying to say: EA may be bigger than Blizzard, but name me 5 LEGENDARY EA games. I cant even think of ONE. Not even BF2. Now name me 5 legendary Blizzard games. Wait, name me one NON-legendary Blizzard game. Theyre all classics.

BF2 is loads of fun, but you have to swallow alot of shit that goes with it. I happened to get hooked up on it, something that wont probably happen again with an EA game, so i keep on playing it. I just wish another publisher would have brought out BF2, a publisher that took its customers more seriously.