Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7065|London, England

Braddock wrote:

It would seem, according to the latest reports on the story, that the game in question contains footage (or footage reminiscent of) the abduction of Jamie Bolger, who was brutally murdered by two young children a number of years back.

Mmmmm ...I'm all for freedom of choice for adults but that's a pretty sick attempt to court controversy by Rockstar games if it's true.
That's a different game. Forgot the name of it though.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-06-20 15:32:46)

Braddock
Agitator
+916|6734|Éire

Mekstizzle wrote:

Braddock wrote:

It would seem, according to the latest reports on the story, that the game in question contains footage (or footage reminiscent of) the abduction of Jamie Bolger, who was brutally murdered by two young children a number of years back.

Mmmmm ...I'm all for freedom of choice for adults but that's a pretty sick attempt to court controversy by Rockstar games if it's true.
That's a different game. Forgot the name of it though.
You're right. It never rains but it pours ...no games banned for years and two get banned in one day! Actually I think it's more of a de facto ban than an official one.

http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/stor … 62,00.html
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

Braddock wrote:

It would seem, according to the latest reports on the story, that the game in question contains footage (or footage reminiscent of) the abduction of Jamie Bolger, who was brutally murdered by two young children a number of years back.

Mmmmm ...I'm all for freedom of choice for adults but that's a pretty sick attempt to court controversy by Rockstar games if it's true.
Yeah...  I'm totally against censorship, but I have to admit...  Rockstar is beginning to look like the Jerry Springer of videogame producers.
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7098|Teesside, UK

Turquoise wrote:

Yeah...  I'm totally against censorship, but I have to admit...  Rockstar is beginning to look like the Jerry Springer of videogame producers.
They made a great move with bully and made everyone opposing it look stupid when it turned out to be more or less a kids game.  Unfortunately their next adult game gets banned.  Seems almost like someone has had their revenge.
iamangry
Member
+59|7090|The United States of America
LOL!!! ROFLROFLROFLROFL!!!

you brits and irish get all up in us american's faces about how were against personal freedoms, gitmo, abu ghraib, other bullshit.... and then you all ban a sodding video game!!!?!??!??!  LOL!! 

Your ability to get after us for "personal freedoms violations" has been revoked until you can beat the fascism out of your own country.  Come back to flame us when you get your own liberties back.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

iamangry wrote:

LOL!!! ROFLROFLROFLROFL!!!

you brits and irish get all up in us american's faces about how were against personal freedoms, gitmo, abu ghraib, other bullshit.... and then you all ban a sodding video game!!!?!??!??!  LOL!! 

Your ability to get after us for "personal freedoms violations" has been revoked until you can beat the fascism out of your own country.  Come back to flame us when you get your own liberties back.
Well, Canada has both America and Europe beat when it comes to most forms of freedom.  I'm not aware of any recent videogame bannings there, and they are much more loose in their media content.  Granted, they are restrictive when it comes to letting in "foreign" media.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

crimson_grunt wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Yeah...  I'm totally against censorship, but I have to admit...  Rockstar is beginning to look like the Jerry Springer of videogame producers.
They made a great move with bully and made everyone opposing it look stupid when it turned out to be more or less a kids game.  Unfortunately their next adult game gets banned.  Seems almost like someone has had their revenge.
Sounds like it...  I'm guessing your equivalent of the FCC doesn't fine the "Fuck" or "Shit" out of you if you say those words on TV, do they?
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7098|Teesside, UK

iamangry wrote:

LOL!!! ROFLROFLROFLROFL!!!

you brits and irish get all up in us american's faces about how were against personal freedoms, gitmo, abu ghraib, other bullshit.... and then you all ban a sodding video game!!!?!??!??!  LOL!! 

Your ability to get after us for "personal freedoms violations" has been revoked until you can beat the fascism out of your own country.  Come back to flame us when you get your own liberties back.
Of course an agency banning a video game which means we'll have to go to the hassle of having it shipped from abroad is the same as the government detaining people and then releasing them without charge after they have lost up to 4 years of their lives.  Great comparison.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina

crimson_grunt wrote:

iamangry wrote:

LOL!!! ROFLROFLROFLROFL!!!

you brits and irish get all up in us american's faces about how were against personal freedoms, gitmo, abu ghraib, other bullshit.... and then you all ban a sodding video game!!!?!??!??!  LOL!! 

Your ability to get after us for "personal freedoms violations" has been revoked until you can beat the fascism out of your own country.  Come back to flame us when you get your own liberties back.
Of course an agency banning a video game which means we'll have to go to the hassle of having it shipped from abroad is the same as the government detaining people and then releasing them without charge after they have lost up to 4 years of their lives.  Great comparison.
Ouch...  yeah...  America really can't say shit about "restrictions" in that respect.
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6981|Chicago

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Until there is definitive evidence that violent video games don't cause people to be violent, this type of situation will continue.
You're totally right. This goes along with the standard motto of the United States... Wait, how did that go, again? "Guilty until proven innocent"?
irishtop
Hopscotch Champion
+11|6607|Houston, Texas

crimson_grunt wrote:

Of course an agency banning a video game which means we'll have to go to the hassle of having it shipped from abroad is the same as the government detaining people and then releasing them without charge after they have lost up to 4 years of their lives.  Great comparison.
The gov't can detain ppl based on how they classify them. A citizen must be given a charge of course. An enemy combatant must follow the Geneva Convention but if they arent either and are still shooting at you its just a gray area and the US military has defined that area as a detainee (sp?). I dont want to go into too much detail seeing as this is a video game thread but thats your explanation of that.

I strongly disagree with banning of arts like this b/c its very close to very strong rights infringement. I know i dont have a literal person/gov't to fear from taking this away but the only thing i could compare it to would kinda be like the movie V for Vendetta-gov't takeovers start out small. And i dont want to get off topic but this is the reason the 2nd ammendment is included in the Constitution, to keep the govt from taking over.
iamangry
Member
+59|7090|The United States of America
I think they should put the two border security guards in that so called hell hole called gitmo.  They'd get treated better.  Something wrong with that?  I think so!  Don't talk to me about gitmo, its paradise compared to real prison.  You have something much worse than the detention of a bunch of crazy jihadists on an island, you have censorship.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7216|PNW

...because Manhunt is the most violent piece of media to ever hit Ireland. Wonder what CPoe thinks...
agent146
Member
+127|6831|Jesus Land aka Canada

jsnipy wrote:

They don't ban porn, they don't ban gorey and violent movies, they don;t ban snuff films, why ban this? Adults watch movies, kids watch movies, adults play games, kids play games.
i hate it when some people try to ban  smoking because they believe that is a catayst to "decay of society" (yes i have heard someone said this) but yet they do not want to ban the violent movies, the illegal drugs, etc.
btw for every single person i meet in my life who did believe that video games such as counter strike or any fps makes people violent; when asked by me they actually do not know that a gun/pistol/rifle has a thing called a safety on it, showing their ignorance. i mean jeez the angle of the rifles held in cs source is impossible to be held in Rl unless you want your aim to be shitty.
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|7021|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
This is getting more and more ridiculous each day...If you cant make the difference between a game and real life...your mentally ill!

Like if i was going to go outside and chop some 1 head off just because i saw it beeing done in a game...

Oh also...Nice! Manhunt 2!
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7098|Teesside, UK

iamangry wrote:

You have something much worse than the detention of a bunch of crazy jihadists on an island, you have censorship.
Seems manhunt 2 isn't going to be released on certain formats in your country.

"Sony and Nintendo have confirmed that Manhunt 2 will not be appearing on consoles in the US following the ESRB's decision to give the game an Adults Only rating.

As reported by GameSpot, both platform holders have corporate policies which forbid the release of AO-rated games for their systems.
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A Sony spokesperson has since confirmed to GamesIndustry.biz that Take-Two will not be allowed to publish Manhunt 2 for PSP or PS2.

Nintendo's official comment is as follows: "As stated on Nintendo.com, Nintendo does not allow any AO-rated content on its systems."

In addition, major US retailers such as Wal-Mart have a policy of not selling AO-rated games.

Take-Two's only options now are to appeal the rating with the ESRB or to rework the game and resubmit it for a new rating. The publisher has yet to release a statement regarding the final decision.

Manhunt 2 was originally scheduled for a July 10 release. As reported earlier, it has been banned by ratings authorities in the UK and Ireland."


http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=78204

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-06-21 02:12:24)

Braddock
Agitator
+916|6734|Éire

iamangry wrote:

You have something much worse than the detention of a bunch of crazy jihadists on an island, you have censorship.
I disagree with the idea that the state film censor has the power to ban any form of media (I do believe classification is a good idea for obvious reasons) but it hasn't been an issue since John Kelleher took over as he has always been very lenient. This has put the issue back on the table and has got people talking again.

...However, as annoyed as I am about this little infringement of our rights it is nowhere near the outrage that was present in Ireland when Catholics and Republicans in Northern Ireland were locked up without trial in prisons in the North as part of the British policy of internment (a situation similar to Gitmo). Your assertion that banning a video game is worse than locking people up without trial and torturing them (even waterboarding counts as torture so let's not derail the thread with an argument about what constitutes torture) is simply delusional.
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7134|Tampa Bay Florida
Use your heads, people.... they're outlawing it so dumbshit parents don't have a chance to let their kids play it.  I was at Bestbuy a few years ago, and in the line in front of me a woman was asking her 5 year old son whether GTA San Andreas was the game he wanted for christmas.  The truth is, parents don't give a shit nowadays.  I'll be willing to bet that kid will be FUBAR by the time hes 15.

You can go on and on about how you should have the right to play games like Manhunt 2... but the fact is, sick shit like that shouldn't even be available for kids to play.  I mean, they shouldn't even be within 5 miles of where a kid is.  Why?  Because kids can literally have their lives ruined by even the tiniest amount of shit that goes on when they're young.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6734|Éire

Spearhead wrote:

Use your heads, people.... they're outlawing it so dumbshit parents don't have a chance to let their kids play it.  I was at Bestbuy a few years ago, and in the line in front of me a woman was asking her 5 year old son whether GTA San Andreas was the game he wanted for christmas.  The truth is, parents don't give a shit nowadays.  I'll be willing to bet that kid will be FUBAR by the time hes 15.

You can go on and on about how you should have the right to play games like Manhunt 2... but the fact is, sick shit like that shouldn't even be available for kids to play.  I mean, they shouldn't even be within 5 miles of where a kid is.  Why?  Because kids can literally have their lives ruined by even the tiniest amount of shit that goes on when they're young.
So you advocate the banning of all violent movies, all forms of pornographic adult entertainment and all forms of violent or adult themed video games because they could be potentially obtained by children?
crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7098|Teesside, UK

Spearhead wrote:

Use your heads, people.... they're outlawing it so dumbshit parents don't have a chance to let their kids play it.  I was at Bestbuy a few years ago, and in the line in front of me a woman was asking her 5 year old son whether GTA San Andreas was the game he wanted for christmas.  The truth is, parents don't give a shit nowadays.  I'll be willing to bet that kid will be FUBAR by the time hes 15.

You can go on and on about how you should have the right to play games like Manhunt 2... but the fact is, sick shit like that shouldn't even be available for kids to play.  I mean, they shouldn't even be within 5 miles of where a kid is.  Why?  Because kids can literally have their lives ruined by even the tiniest amount of shit that goes on when they're young.
Still sounds like the parents fault.  Why should millions of responsible adults suffer cause some give their games to kids who shouldn't be playing it?
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7134|Tampa Bay Florida
I think people should have the right to play whatever they want, I'm just pointing out the reason for why they're banning a game like this.

iamangry wrote :
'LOL!!! ROFLROFLROFLROFL!!!

you brits and irish get all up in us american's faces about how were against personal freedoms, gitmo, abu ghraib, other bullshit.... and then you all ban a sodding video game!!!?!??!??!  LOL!! 

Your ability to get after us for "personal freedoms violations" has been revoked until you can beat the fascism out of your own country.  Come back to flame us when you get your own liberties back.'

Okay dude, now thats just desperate.  Whats funny is that you think youre being smart by comparing a banned video game to US civil rights.  You think you actually know shit.  I'll admit, I'm not very informed either, but at least I admit it.

Last edited by Spearhead (2007-06-21 03:16:22)

crimson_grunt
Shitty Disposition (apparently)
+214|7098|Teesside, UK

Spearhead wrote:

I think people should have the right to play whatever they want, I'm just pointing out the reason for why they're banning a game like this.
Actually I thinki read somewhere that the BBFC (the guys who banned it) felt it could corrupt adults as well.  I'll see if i can find the link.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=77988

"Although the difference should not be exaggerated the fact of the game's unrelenting focus on stalking and brutal slaying and the sheer lack of alternative pleasures on offer to the gamer, together with the different overall narrative context, contribute towards differentiating this submission from the original Manhunt game," added Cooke.

"Against this background, the Board's carefully considered view is that to issue a certificate to Manhunt 2, on either platform, would involve a range of unjustifiable harm risks, to both adults and minors, within the terms of the Video Recordings Act, and accordingly that its availability, even if statutorily confined to adults, would be unacceptable to the public."

Last edited by crimson_grunt (2007-06-21 03:14:13)

Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7134|Tampa Bay Florida
I wouldnt want to hang around anyone who plays a game like Manhunt, personally.
velocitychaos
Member
+26|6940|Brisbane Australia
I'm all for freedom of choice for consenting adults and being a parent I am  concerned about children playing games like Manhunt.
I have the game manhunt and have played it quite a number of times and personally i thought it didn't add up to all the hype i'd heard,
but i could clearly see how a child could be easily influenced by the violence, that's not to say a child would immediatley go out and start killing people if ever,  but as the old saying goes " violence begets violence".
And this is coming from someone who's been exposed to quite an aggressive upbringing. I ended up joining the army and was trained to kill GOOKS, trained to hate and despise asians as they were considered our biggest threat ( Australia ) yet i'm not racist now or never have been and i don't feel i have abnormally aggressive tendencies and i carry a gun for my work.
I just think parents need to be held more accountable for what their children are exposed to right up to the age of about 16-18 depending on the child.
Also banning a game like this i believe will only increase the attractivness of the game to those who find this kind of thing ( problem solving via violence, murder, aggression) thrilling .
some_random_panda
Flamesuit essential
+454|6835

Meh, I'd never buy Manhunt 2 anyway.

The most violent game I've played is Call Of Duty 2, and I call that violent because it's the only game I've seen where the bots, when close enough, hit the corpses of the other bots when they fall after being shot.  They also spray the corpses a fair bit after it's clear that the guy is dead.

And above, I'm glad to know that you're not racist - it seems after incidents like Cronulla things are moving forwards.  (not that cronulla is a common occurance, but you get the idea)

Come to think of it, COD 2 really brings out the brutal side of war and shoves it in your face, as if the makers really wanted to show just how catastrophic and bloody war is.  I was rather taken aback at first, especially after COD 1.

Last edited by some_random_panda (2007-06-21 03:29:49)

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