BF2S Forums Which was the most futile US-fought war?

Turquoise wrote:

The Republicans were the main force keeping FDR from getting the U.S. into WW2.  So, if you wanna blame anyone for our late start, blame the Republicans.p

Ah, so now we're changing tactics, we weren't talking about the Republicans, sweetheart, we were talking about how FDR failed to intervene in the war. Nice try though. 

Speaking of incompetence, Hoover was the reason why we were so weak by the time FDR entered office.  He didn't do jack shit about the Great Depression.

Hey, Hoover was a great guy, the French loved him even, but yes, what he did was inexcusable...remind me what that has to do with FDR's failure to intervene in the war and the chance to take advantage of Hitler's weakness, please.

MacArthur was a loose cannon who had proven that he was not totally compliant to his commander's wishes.  That makes a general far less useful than one who does comply.  Insubordination is the most important reason to fire a general, because the military is supposed to follow whatever the government tells it to do.  This isn't about prestige, it's about following orders.

Truman was hindering MacAruthur more than MacArthur was hindering his. MacArthur was the real anticommunist fighter, Truman was a flake.

Another thing...  the general public did like MacArthur a lot.  The people who had to deal with him on a personal basis tended not to, though, because of his arrogance.  He was good at what he did, and honestly, I think he may have had the right idea with Korea.  What isn't debatable, however, is that when an active general uses the media to undermine a president's plan for action, he will rightfully be forced out of office.

MacArthur was an asshole. A lot of brilliant generals are, that's just how it is. Please tell me how MacArthur was using the media, which is ironic because the majority of the media liked Truman alot, and though MacArthur was just as much of an asshole as you do.

I can assure you that if any active generals spoke out strongly against the Iraq occupation or the Afghanistan War, Bush would force them to resign.  It's only the retired generals who say things against our presence in Iraq, because they are no longer on active duty.

Active generals are speaking out against Bush right now, I just read about it in the Marine Gazette. They're not against the war, they're against how it's managed. Military haters are delightedly calling it the Military Civil War. It isn't really, but there's the media for you.

That being said, Truman did what any president would do.

Blow his chance for reuniting a country and weakening communism even more only for gaining a political advantage? Maybe. Depends on what president.

Last edited by The_Mac (2007-06-25 06:40:24)

WWII...  we saved all of europe only to have them hating us completely 60 years later

Vietnam...  all those people killed and yet we still didn't do what was needed to win and ended up pulling out, allowing North vietnam to take over the south

PureFodder wrote:

Blehm98 wrote:

WWII...  we saved all of europe only to have them hating us completely 60 years later

Yes, you saved all of Europe all on your own, and certainly not with the help of Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, China, Costa Rica, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Egypt, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Fiji, France, Greece, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Hong Kong, India, Northern Ireland, Liberia, Malaya, Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Nepal, Netherlands, Netherlands East Indies, Newfoundland, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Oman, Panama, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Portuguese Timor, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Soviet Union, Tonga, Transjordan, United Kingdom, Venezuela and Yugoslavia, to name a few.

Takes a breath.......and totally agrees.

Klinka-Klinko wrote:

Vernedead wrote:

the civil war! nothing more futile than killing your own.

I agree!

That kind of depends on what your own are doing. The evil bad guys have to come from some country, if it happens to be your country then by all means have a civil war if that's what's required to stop them. Usually it's best to sort out your own problems before helping with the problems of others.