Proof that math are false !

2007-06-26 23:59:55

#1

Andoura: Got loooollllll ?; +853|7083|Montreal, Qc, Canada

Here the proof math are false:

3 guys go to a hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...

Wheres the last dollar?

theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!

Last edited by Andoura (2007-06-29 11:12:45)

2007-06-27 00:05:08

#2

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6846|dm_maidenhead

The total they had to pay was $25.
$9 each makes $27 minus the $2 the manager stole makes it $25

You have to minus it as the total is now $25 not $30

2007-06-27 00:07:13

#3

Andoura: Got loooollllll ?; +853|7083|Montreal, Qc, Canada

petermassingale wrote:
The total they had to pay was $25.
$9 each makes $27 minus the $2 the manager stole makes it $25

You have to minus it as the total is now $25 not $30

yes but its all about the 30$, because the 5$ that the manager took it included in the 30$... theirs a dollar mising somewhere

2007-06-27 00:08:03

#4

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

Andoura wrote:
Here the proof math are false:

3 guys goes to an hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...

Wheres the last dollar?

theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!

well if you did the math right then it would be correct

2007-06-27 00:08:57

#5

Andoura: Got loooollllll ?; +853|7083|Montreal, Qc, Canada

weasel_thingo wrote:
Andoura wrote:
Here the proof math are false:

3 guys goes to an hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...

Wheres the last dollar?

theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!
well if you did the math right then it would be correct

do it your self and you will see that the total makes 29$ and it was 30$ in first, something wrong

2007-06-27 00:10:37

#6

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

Andoura wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:
Andoura wrote:
Here the proof math are false:

3 guys goes to an hotel, it will cost 30$ for one night. So they each pay 10$ which makes 30$. Few hours later the receptionist realized it was 25$ for the night, so he have to give them back 5$. But 5$ in 3 is hard, so he decide to give them back 1$ each and keep 2$ for him. So each guy payed 9$ what makes a total of 27$. Add to those 27$ you add the 2$ of the receptionist which makes 29$...

Wheres the last dollar?

theirs no illusion, fake statement or stuff like that!
well if you did the math right then it would be correct
do it your self and you will see that the total makes 29$ and it was 30$ in first, something wrong

me in previous thread

me wrote:
it has the subtractions and additions done at the wrong times to confuse people there is no missing dollar.
or this is where it went:

The following night two friends check into the same restaurant. once again the waiter charges them $30 ($15 per person) after the cashier informs the waiter the price is only $25 so he sends the waiter back with five $1 coins to pay the two friends back. The waiter knows he got away with it once so he tries it again, but this time he pockets $3 and returns $2 to the friends ($1 per guest). So each of the two friends got $1 back from their original $15. Therefore each paid $14 which is a total payment of $28 for the meal. Now the waiter has $3, the friends paid $28, for a total of $31

Last edited by weasel_thingo (2007-06-27 00:11:23)

2007-06-27 00:12:33

#7

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6846|dm_maidenhead

Andoura wrote:
petermassingale wrote:
The total they had to pay was $25.
$9 each makes $27 minus the $2 the manager stole makes it $25

You have to minus it as the total is now $25 not $30
yes but its all about the 30$, because the 5$ that the manager took it included in the 30$... theirs a dollar mising somewhere

Well your way makes it wrong, my way makes it right.
So the odds are mine is right.

O yeah... and I'm a genius.

2007-06-27 00:13:13

#8

RavyGravy: Son.; +617|6849|NSW, Australia

and the sad thing is...i have no idea whats going on

2007-06-27 00:14:23

#9

BVC: Member; +325|7139

Andoura wrote:
do it your self and you will see that the total makes 29$ and it was 30$ in first, something wrong

At the end of it:
The guys have $3
The receptionist has $2
The hotel has $25

3 + 2 + 25 = 30

My advice: don't become an accountant

2007-06-27 00:15:06

#10

_1_MAN-ARMY.17: Member; +27|6664|Turkey

receptionist acts smart as he put 1$ on his pocket

2007-06-27 00:21:21

#11

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.

2007-06-27 00:38:46

#12

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6846|dm_maidenhead

weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.

Almost impossible to explain.

But here's my explanation.
.
Infinite numbers don't really exist. So 0.9 repeated for ever is 1.
.
It's like saying 1/9 is 0.1
.
then 2/9 is 0.2
.
then 3/9 is 0.3
.
then 4/9 is 0.4
.
then 5/9 is 0.5
.
then 6/9 is 0.6
.
then 7/9 is 0.7
.
then 8/9 is 0.8
.
then 9/9 is 0.9
.
But any 5 year old could tell you 9/9 is one. So on the basis of that 0.9=1

It's really hard to explain. That was the best I could do. meh

2007-06-27 00:41:15

#13

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

petermassingale wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.
Almost impossible to explain.

But here's my explanation.
.
Infinite numbers don't really exist. So 0.9 repeated for ever is 1.
.
It's like saying 1/9 is 0.1
.
then 2/9 is 0.2
.
then 3/9 is 0.3
.
then 4/9 is 0.4
.
then 5/9 is 0.5
.
then 6/9 is 0.6
.
then 7/9 is 0.7
.
then 8/9 is 0.8
.
then 9/9 is 0.9
.
But any 5 year old could tell you 9/9 is one. So on the basis of that 0.9=1

It's really hard to explain. That was the best I could do. meh

so yeah its basically the fact that it is used a finite value that the equation worked??

2007-06-27 00:50:45

#14

Peter: Super Awesome Member; +494|6846|dm_maidenhead

weasel_thingo wrote:
petermassingale wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:
a better way to prove math wrong is teh 0.99999999 reocuring =1
.
x=0.9 . x10
10x=9.9 -x
9x=9 /9
1x=1
.
the reason why that is wrong i think is because you are using 0.9 as a finite value, someone fill me in on this.
Almost impossible to explain.

But here's my explanation.
.
Infinite numbers don't really exist. So 0.9 repeated for ever is 1.
.
It's like saying 1/9 is 0.1
.
then 2/9 is 0.2
.
then 3/9 is 0.3
.
then 4/9 is 0.4
.
then 5/9 is 0.5
.
then 6/9 is 0.6
.
then 7/9 is 0.7
.
then 8/9 is 0.8
.
then 9/9 is 0.9
.
But any 5 year old could tell you 9/9 is one. So on the basis of that 0.9=1

It's really hard to explain. That was the best I could do. meh
so yeah its basically the fact that it is used a finite value that the equation worked??

I think so.

2007-06-27 01:34:33

#15

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7210|Cambridge (UK)

petermassingale wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:
petermassingale wrote:

Almost impossible to explain.

But here's my explanation.
.
Infinite numbers don't really exist. So 0.9 repeated for ever is 1.
.
It's like saying 1/9 is 0.1
.
then 2/9 is 0.2
.
then 3/9 is 0.3
.
then 4/9 is 0.4
.
then 5/9 is 0.5
.
then 6/9 is 0.6
.
then 7/9 is 0.7
.
then 8/9 is 0.8
.
then 9/9 is 0.9
.
But any 5 year old could tell you 9/9 is one. So on the basis of that 0.9=1

It's really hard to explain. That was the best I could do. meh
so yeah its basically the fact that it is used a finite value that the equation worked??
I think so.

I don't think so.

Infinitely recurring numbers do 'exist'. So 0.9 repeated for ever is not 1.

Having said that, I can't explain it...

2007-06-27 01:36:03

#16

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
petermassingale wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:

so yeah its basically the fact that it is used a finite value that the equation worked??
I think so.
I don't think so.

Infinitely recurring numbers do 'exist'. So 0.9 repeated for ever is not 1.

Having said that, I can't explain it...

yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value

2007-06-27 01:39:25

#17

some_random_panda: Flamesuit essential; +454|6834

Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.

Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...

0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2

-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1

-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2

-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4

-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4

=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4

yet the table clearly equals 0!

Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?

And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.

Last edited by some_random_panda (2007-06-27 01:41:00)

2007-06-27 01:40:56

#18

Gawwad: My way or Haddaway!; +212|7129|Espoo, Finland

weasel_thingo wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
petermassingale wrote:

I think so.
I don't think so.

Infinitely recurring numbers do 'exist'. So 0.9 repeated for ever is not 1.

Having said that, I can't explain it...
yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value

1/3 = ~0.3333
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1

That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!

2007-06-27 01:42:30

#19

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7210|Cambridge (UK)

weasel_thingo wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
petermassingale wrote:

I think so.
I don't think so.

Infinitely recurring numbers do 'exist'. So 0.9 repeated for ever is not 1.

Having said that, I can't explain it...
yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value

but...

.
x=0.1 x10
.
10x=1.1 -x

9x=1 /9
.
x=0.1

so, why does that work, eh?

2007-06-27 01:42:37

#20

KylieTastic: Games, Girls, Guinness; +85|6896|Cambridge, UK

The clue that Andoura was going to be wrong was in the title "Proof that math are false"

Maybe that's "Proof that Andoura math are false, but your maths is true"

Last edited by KylieTastic (2007-06-27 01:42:54)

2007-06-27 01:43:12

#21

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

Gawwad wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:

I don't think so.

Infinitely recurring numbers do 'exist'. So 0.9 repeated for ever is not 1.

Having said that, I can't explain it...
yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value
1/3 = ~0.3333
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1

That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!

0.3333 isnt 1/3
nuff said

2007-06-27 01:45:29

#22

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7210|Cambridge (UK)

some_random_panda wrote:
Meh. If we're going to play with infinity, I'll throw in my old question.

Say, you have infinite number of columns leading down of infinite numbers in this pattern and infinite rows of infinite numbers leading across in this pattern...

0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8 1/16... =2

-1 0 1 1/2 1/4 1/8... =1

-1/2 -1 0 1 1/2 1/4... =1/2

-1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1 1/2... =1/4

-1/8 -1/4 -1/2 -1 0 1... =1/8
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . .
. . . . . . =4

=-2 =-1 =-1/2 =-1/4 =-1/8 =-1/16... -----> =-4

yet the table clearly equals 0!

Anyone know why if you add it horizontally, vertically or as a concept that it is different?

And to those who posted in my original thread, NO POSTING.

Your sums are wrong - 0+1+1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16... does not =2 and so on...

2007-06-27 01:46:03

#23

some_random_panda: Flamesuit essential; +454|6834

weasel_thingo wrote:
Gawwad wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:

yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value
1/3 = ~0.3333
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1

That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!
0.3333 isnt 1/3
nuff said

If the 3's recur it does.

2007-06-27 01:46:56

#24

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7210|Cambridge (UK)

weasel_thingo wrote:
Gawwad wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:

yea but teh reason it = 1 in that equation is because it is used as a finite value
1/3 = ~0.3333
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1

That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!
0.3333 isnt 1/3
nuff said

and nor is 0.33333

2007-06-27 01:48:18

#25

weasel_thingo: Member; +74|6770

some_random_panda wrote:
weasel_thingo wrote:
Gawwad wrote:

1/3 = ~0.3333
1/3 + 1/3 + 1/3 = 1
->
0.33333 + 0.33333 + 0.33333 =1

That is it. You can't argue about mathematical truths.
This was discussed before in a 15 page long thred so just live with it!
0.3333 isnt 1/3
nuff said
If the 3's recur it does.

no it doesnt, thats why they recur, you cant have 1/3 in decimals, 0.333 is teh closet to 1/3 you can get, but it is not 1/3

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