blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas
This is a few days old, and a search didn't turn up any threads about it.

From KATV, the local NBC affiliate.

Hot Springs (AP) - Video from the popular internet web site YouTube that was posted by one of six people arrested for skateboarding in downtown Hot Springs is causing quiet a stir.

Hot Springs police say the skateboarders were in violation of a city ordinance. Now three minors and three adults are facing charges, and the officer who arrested them is on administrative leave.

The video--which was shot by one of the skateboarders, and captured almost the entire incident--was posted on YouTube Monday, and has already gotten more than 30,000 hits.

The kids who were arrested say they were just celebrating National Go Skateboarding Day last Thursday, but police say they were breaking the law.

(Matt McCormack, Arrested for Skateboarding) "He grabbed a kid from around his back by the neck and took him to the ground and choked him."

(Skylar Nalls, Arrested for Skateboarding) "The kid didn't know that he was coming after him. He kind of just grabbed him from behind and took him to the ground and started choking him."


Skylar Nalls first ran toward his friend, snapping still photos, before the 19-year-old Nalls is seen on the video running away from the officer.

(Nalls) "He looked up at me and pointed and he said, 'hey you, come here." And then out of instinct, I just ran."

Officer Joseph Williams gave up on chasing Nalls, but held on to the 13-year old.

Now that so many people have seen the incident on YouTube, the Hot Springs Police Department is being forced to take a strong look at one of their own.

(Officer McCrary Means, Hot Springs Police Dept.) "There is a flood of phone calls and emails...right now there is an investigation of the officer involved in the incident."

Two of the juveniles are under house arrest because it's their second time skateboarding on city sidewalks.

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The video all this fuss is about:




To be totally fair, I do work for the Sheriff's department in my county. I don't do patrol, I do rescue, but this is a really big deal here. Legally speaking, the officer did not break any of OUR policies or procedures. Now, I don't know how they roll in Hot Springs, but that's just here. The kids were breaking the law, and had they not run, they most likely would have gotten misdemeanor tickets. Instead, they ran, they mouthed off, and they got arrested.

As to some more backgroud, Hot Springs is a vacation spot and a retirement community. Skateboarding on the sidewalks is illegal, as it is really dangerous. 80 year old women with fragile hips don't need to be fighting for the sidewalk with skateboarding teens, let alone the danger to the teens skateboarding entails.

How do you feel? Were the officers within their rights? Did the one shown overstep his bounds morally/ethically even if he didn't violate procedure?

Anyone who just comments only to disparage the police gets an asswhoopin. I want real, constructive debate here. Not drivel.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6907|meh-land
The officer may have taken it a little bit far, but he didn't actually hurt anyone so it makes no difference.  He probably didn't even mean to choke him, but more meant to kind of get him down and incapacitate him.

just shows the power of the average idiot/internet user, people jumping to conclusions just because they aren't willing to think for themselves and prefer others to think for them
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7025|the dank(super) side of Oregon
that cop seemed like a bit a fat fucking douche bag, who thinks his badge makes his dick a little less than tiny.  but on the other hand, I do hate fucking smart ass skateboard brats.  My workplace has a brand new, freshly paved parking lot.  so every morning I have to tell the same punk ass little spoiled shits that a repair shop's parking lot isn't a playground or skatepark,  which is only a few blocks away.
Canadian_Sniper_X
Member
+45|6933|Kamloops, BC Canada
It's all an overreaction. Don't break the law, and you won't be treated like shit by the cops (works for me)

Kids are way too overconfident. They deserve it.
N.A.T.O
The People’s Champion
+59|6884|A drop house
I don’t blame him. When I was 18 I worked security for the local mall, no skateboarding in the mall or loading docks behind the mall, simple right…Apparently not, to my surprise. Me=“sorry guys you can’t skate here.” Them= “Fuck you, make us move” So I did. But that’s another story.   
Skateboard punks can be the most infuriating little shits in the world. I guess the cop just lost it.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6907|meh-land
actually, just to add another thing, If you give people a really nasty impression about what could happen, they generally won't do it again.  A prime example is the nuke the moon thing.  You skateboard on our sidewalks?  First offense you get strangled.  The second one we open fire.

edit:of course, i got the link to nuke the moon from kmarion's sig, so he deserves some thanks

Last edited by Blehm98 (2007-06-28 00:24:21)

Mr.Dooomed
Find your center.
+752|6772

Forum police says "Thread has already been made about this! Get back here hey you! PUnk!"

*Grabs your throat*

etc. etc....

I'm to tired to find it but when and if I do you know i'm pointing it out to ya.

Bahahhaha I win:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=78695


SO ur thred is teh like closed/delete/fai1

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2007-06-28 00:33:57)

Nature is a powerful force. Those who seek to subdue nature, never do so permanently.
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6907|meh-land
https://img172.imageshack.us/img172/9356/nomoreskateboardersoc2.png
skateboarders begone!
CoconutBlitz
I've had the diarrheas since Easters
+145|7034|California U.S.A
I feel the Officer was within his rights and use of force in taking these skateboarders into custody.

Honestly a skateboard can be used as a weapon to strike and you never know if a perp has a knife or gun I'd get concerned to if I had a pack of them hovering over me as I tried to cuff someone alone with no backup. Let alone yelling into my face and getting close.

It's not like the Officer batoned them into submission, for christ sakes teenagers are a whiny bunch of rude bitches nowadays as seen in that video.


paraphrased
perp
"Wawawawaw wawawaw I'm a teenager riding a skateboard what's wrong with that?"

Officer
"It's illegal, against city ordinance, and you attempted to flee and resisted arrest."

perp
"Waaaaa wwaaaaaa waaaaa you mean I can't ride a skateboard, run from a police officer after I was ordered to stop and I can't resist arrest while cussing at you?"

Officer
"Correct, and that is why you are handcuffed looking at the sidewalk"
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7285|Cologne, Germany

chocking a 13-year-old for skateboarding ? What does he do when someone won't stop at a stop sign ? shoot them in the head ?

power trip ftl....

I am not saying that skate punks are all angels, but I am convinced the situation could have been handled differently, with a little more finesse. The interesting part of the situation ( the beginning ) isn't on the tape anyway. We do not know how the officer approached the kids, what he told them, how they reacted, if the situation was hostile, etc....

Still, chocking the kid was too much, in my opinion. He probably wanted to look cool in front of all the pensioners, but ended up making a fool of himself.
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas

Im_Dooomed wrote:

Forum police says "Thread has already been made about this! Get back here hey you! PUnk!"

*Grabs your throat*

etc. etc....

I'm to tired to find it but when and if I do you know i'm pointing it out to ya.

Bahahhaha I win:

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=78695


SO ur thred is teh like closed/delete/fai1
It's a Junk Drawer thread. If you're having trouble differentaiting between the two, look for lovely posts like:

David.Podedworny wrote:

Seriously it's reasons like this i wanna blast these pigs.

[NeMe$i$.Dr4g0ncl4w] wrote:

Someone should go Chuck Norris on his ass.
Sometimes you get lucky, and there are some gems of worthwhile discussion buried among the drivel and dick/fart jokes. Just not that often.
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas

B.Schuss wrote:

chocking a 13-year-old for skateboarding ? What does he do when someone won't stop at a stop sign ? shoot them in the head ?

power trip ftl....

I am not saying that skate punks are all angels, but I am convinced the situation could have been handled differently, with a little more finesse. The interesting part of the situation ( the beginning ) isn't on the tape anyway. We do not know how the officer approached the kids, what he told them, how they reacted, if the situation was hostile, etc....

Still, chocking the kid was too much, in my opinion. He probably wanted to look cool in front of all the pensioners, but ended up making a fool of himself.
I guess to start with, choking someone is a legit restraint technique for compliance from a fleeing/resisting subject. It falls under the category of pain compliance, and is better than the other options (baton, stun gun, taser, pepper spray).

I agree that the situation could have been handled with more finess. That being said, you hit the nail on the head with the observation that we don't know what happened leading up to the arrest. We won't for at least another week or so.

I will guess that as these kids were breaking the law (not for the first time, apparently), there were some words exchanged. After all, 18 year olds are invincible, and well stocked with piss and vinegar.
JahManRed
wank
+646|7072|IRELAND

Listening to that guys shouting out trumped up charges made me angry. Thinks he's living in a Police state. Maybe he is.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7115|UK
American cops suck balls.

generalisations ftw!

Last edited by m3thod (2007-06-28 04:56:54)

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7129|United States of America

m3thod wrote:

American cops suck balls.

generalisations ftw!
I blame the lack of hats like those that bobbys have.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6966|...

Skate or and Die!



m3thod wrote:

American cops suck balls.

generalisations ftw!
Much harsher than the Turkish police
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6801|CA, USA
they should have been at home playing BF2 legally...then they wouldn't have gotten arrested for breaking the 'no-skateboarding' law
CaptainSpaulding71
Member
+119|6801|CA, USA
speaking of video games...does anyone know if that Tony Hawk skateboarding game have cops in it that you have to avoid?  that would be really interesting if they could incorporate this into the game somehow.
m3thod
All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz
+2,197|7115|UK

DesertFox- wrote:

m3thod wrote:

American cops suck balls.

generalisations ftw!
I blame the lack of hats like those that bobbys have.
Aint nuttin wrong with those hats. 

https://i14.tinypic.com/67qqrnm.jpg
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6667|Escea

Well you couldn't really hide behind a low wall with one. I still think they should have installed a little blue light in the top.
KylieTastic
Games, Girls, Guinness
+85|6896|Cambridge, UK

As usual with these I dont think you cant honestly say either way with this as there is no video from the start....

the kids could have started off being reasonably and the cop went on a power trip...
or they couldn't have been all mouth, threats and surrounding him in which case he had a right to be concerned and take them down.
Ratzinger
Member
+43|6836|Wollongong, NSW, Australia
Regardles of the kids behaviour - he's 13 YEARS OLD! Anything more than minimal restraint would be excessive and completely unneccesary.

If an adult can't restrain a 13 yo without violence he SHOULDN'T BE A COP!

Charge his arse!
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7146|Little Rock, Arkansas

Ratzinger wrote:

Regardles of the kids behaviour - he's 13 YEARS OLD! Anything more than minimal restraint would be excessive and completely unneccesary.

If an adult can't restrain a 13 yo without violence he SHOULDN'T BE A COP!

Charge his arse!
You don't work with many 13 year olds, do you?

Restraint, by its very nature, is violent. You apply proportional violence [restraint] according to how the subject responds. If the subject is flopping about on the ground, after fleeing to avoid arrest, I can certainly choke him or her. Age has nothing to do with it. I can use whatever force necessary to bring his behavior under my control. The officer would have been more than justtified to use a stun gun on the kid, he chose to use a choke hold.

The law is the law. We don't make special exceptions for kids because they're young. If they're old enough to know what they were doing is wrong (something they demonstrated when they ran), then they're old enough to be punished for their wrongdoing.

Which is why there is nothing to be gained by being an asshole to a police officer. The nicer and more understanding you are, the more likely you are to get away with what you were doing. Kindness begets kindness.
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6962|Montucky

Ratzinger wrote:

Regardles of the kids behaviour - he's 13 YEARS OLD! Anything more than minimal restraint would be excessive and completely unneccesary.

If an adult can't restrain a 13 yo without violence he SHOULDN'T BE A COP!

Charge his arse!
*sigh*


I'd like to take every one of you on a ride along with me during one of my fantastic friday or saturday night shifts.  You'd be amazed.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7279|Kubra, Damn it!

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