BF2S Forums Police officer apparently chokes skateboarders while arresting them...

HAHAHAHAH he got ownd. Also, what happened before the camera? No one will know only those who were there. So, if there is another video from the beginning im going to go with the cop.

I think the cop should have gave him a smily as well.  The brat wouldn't be running his mouth then.  XD

Last edited by Reject_Wolf (2007-06-28 16:56:08)

chittydog wrote:

Already been posted and debated to death...
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=78695

that thread is in the junk drawer, with the title of " Crooked Ass Cop"  with "Seriously it's reasons like this i wanna blast these pigs." in the first post.... yeah this thread seems to have a somewhat higher maturity level to it at the moment


ive seen what alot of cops go through with those little bastards, so i agree with his actions and support them

Yeah, but unless im mistaken ,he started choking a Girl too.  Probably goes home and beats his wife at the end of his shift.

Sure ,the kids probably knew they were breaking the law and were being punks, but its fucking SKATEBOARDING.

Just because a kid is being a smartass or is being disrespectful, DOES NOT give the cop a right to do that.

Kids are smart asses.  A cop is a cop, The one who is supposed to be serving the community, not bashing its kids around.

Last edited by RoosterCantrell (2007-06-28 17:12:04)

RoosterCantrell wrote:

Yeah, but unless im mistaken ,he started choking a Girl too.  Probably goes home and beats his wife at the end of his shift.

Sure ,the kids probably knew they were breaking the law and were being punks, but its fucking SKATEBOARDING.

Just because a kid is being a smartass or is being disrespectful, DOES NOT give the cop a right to do that.

Kids are smart asses.  A cop is a cop, The one who is supposed to be serving the community, not bashing its kids around.

Again, the law is the law. There are no special exceptions written in for women either. And if he's like the officers that I know, he goes home, kisses his wife, and doesn't tell her about his day. That's why those in public safety mainly hang out with each other. Outsiders just don't understand.

I guess I was just raised differently than some. You respect the law, you respect those who enforce it, and you won't have any problems.

WinterWayfarer wrote:

How would you have known that they were cops? They could have been bad guys dressed as cops. Also that was a retirement residence area? Looked like there were a lot of people there too. Skateboarding should not be done in a busy street like that.

Hot Springs is about 30% retirement community and 70% resort/vacation community. They've had problems with skateboarders there in the past, hence the law banning it. Hell, the law only applies to the downtown commercial district. If they want, they could have gone and skateboarded on the roads and sidewalks in front of their houses, and never had a problem. You break the law, you pay the price.

Fred[OZ75] wrote:

Cop on a power trip, didn't see the second cop acting the same way. For a bunch of upper middle class teenagers he has to strangle them, throw them to the ground while he's got them in headlocks and then threaten them with spray... for skateboarding WTF???

He even told the last one on the ground he was resisting arrest when he went to ground all by himself, unlucky for this cop he's in America the most sue for anything society on earth... millions for lost pants at the dry cleaners guess what these kids could claim for.

And again, should we not equally apply the laws to upper middle class teenagers? It's pure speculation, but I'd bet those kids got a warning to quit before they got busted.

And somehow I don't think those kids will be sueing anyone... A jury in Hot Springs is not going to look kindly on a group of "punks" who ignore an officer's orders. Hell, the one kid that ran from the police and "got away" will be enough to poison the case for all of them.

blisteringsilence wrote:

And again, should we not equally apply the laws to upper middle class teenagers? It's pure speculation, but I'd bet those kids got a warning to quit before they got busted.

And somehow I don't think those kids will be sueing anyone... A jury in Hot Springs is not going to look kindly on a group of "punks" who ignore an officer's orders. Hell, the one kid that ran from the police and "got away" will be enough to poison the case for all of them.

Why didn't he just shoot them then? they have tazers, just tazer everyone who dares break the law or talks back to a cop. You wouldn't run away after you just saw someone being strangled by a cop who you took photos of and is now after you?

Why would a jury not give the case to the kids, they mite be thinking that could have been my teenage kid being thrown around by a huge power tripping cop, or what if I get pulled over for speeding by that nutter let alone something really bad like J-walking.

Last edited by Fred[OZ75] (2007-06-28 18:47:04)

Ah i'll let him have it since mine has become a flame fest. Fucken cop today my brother had a car accident and this fat-ass motherfucker tried to pressure him into saying that he was at fault because he's not 18 yet. Wtf? That kind of attitude? For what? What a Fucken asshole of that cop, Thank god his partner was objective and let my bro finish his story. Fuck all you crooked cops!

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

I guess I was just raised differently than some. You respect the law, you respect those who enforce it, and you won't have any problems.

Respect the law. Listen to the law. The law is always right. The law is never wrong. You civilians just don't understand. Blah blah fucking blah.

Look, here it is folks. Cops have a greater level of power and authority than almost anyone in society. They have the ability to use physical force on other people up to and including lethal force. They have the ability to investigate, surveil, arrest, detain and incarcerate people. With that greater level of power and authority should come a higher standard of behavior and conduct, not a lesser one. Not "piss off civilian, you don't know what it's like to do my job". Not "Respect me or I'll beat some respect into you". Not "I have a badge, that means you have to listen to me and obey everything I tell you". If you can't handle that, if you feel the need to tune someone up because they didn't practically drop to their knees and bow to you, you shouldn't be a fucking cop. If you are a cop, you are a public fucking servant, not royalty. So some people don't automatically respect you. Welcome to real life. I work in a pizza joint, people look at me like I'm shit all the time. The difference is, I don't get to chicken-wing someone and slam them face-first into a table and then have legions of people make excuses for my behavior.

Point is, you want to slavishly defer to authority, fine. Knock yourself out. Don't demand that the rest of us need to wear your chains just because you've gotten comfortable in them.

I love your black and white version of the world. Where is it located, so I may come and join you? Mine is entirely too gray for my tastes.

The law is not always right. That being said, there are good and bad ways to disobey said laws. The good ways are peaceful, public, and calm. The bad ways involve yelling at people and committing crimes on top of the ones you disagree with and choose to protest. If you disagree with the law, you'll get farther following the footsteps of Ghandi and MLK jr. than you will following the teachings of those who instagated the problems at this year's G8 summit.

Now, I agree with some of your post. With the law enforcement responsibilities comes a higher standard of behavior. That being said, those standards are not the same in which the public at large has to engage.

Now for the "I have a badge, that means you have to listen to me and obey everything I tell you." Actually, that's what a badge means. If an officer gives you an order, you have a legal obligation to follow his command. He may be unjustified in giving that order, but the time and place to dispute it is NOT the time he gives it to you. It's called using common sense.

The fundamental difference between you and a police officer (one you can't seem to wrap your mind around) is that if you fuck up in your job, someone gets the wrong ingredients on their pizza. When a police officer fucks up, someone just might die. Therefore, officers are less likely to take chances. You can't go out on a limb for someone when you're an officer. People are always out for themselves. That's why an officer's main goal is to make it home safely every night. Everything else that happens is gravy.

Fred[OZ75] wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

And again, should we not equally apply the laws to upper middle class teenagers? It's pure speculation, but I'd bet those kids got a warning to quit before they got busted.

And somehow I don't think those kids will be sueing anyone... A jury in Hot Springs is not going to look kindly on a group of "punks" who ignore an officer's orders. Hell, the one kid that ran from the police and "got away" will be enough to poison the case for all of them.

Why didn't he just shoot them then? they have tazers, just tazer everyone who dares break the law or talks back to a cop. You wouldn't run away after you just saw someone being strangled by a cop who you took photos of and is now after you?

Why would a jury not give the case to the kids, they mite be thinking that could have been my teenage kid being thrown around by a huge power tripping cop, or what if I get pulled over for speeding by that nutter let alone something really bad like J-walking.

Why didn't he just shoot them......... well, there's this thing you go over in school, called justifiable use of force. There are levels of it. Shooting the fleeing kids would have been a level or two above the situation. Why not tase them? Well, honestly, it's a lot of paperwork. If you can pepper spray them just as effectively, it's way less work back at the station.

Would I run away? Hell no. If you run, you've done something worth running from. That's one of the first lessons you learn.

The jury just might think that. However, the officer's going to come to court in a suit, and repeat word for word everything that happened that day, right off his report sheet. Then the kids are going to talk about how the big bad man made them stop breaking the law, and ran them down when they tried to escape. I'd side with the officer.

blisteringsilence wrote:

I love your black and white version of the world. Where is it located, so I may come and join you? Mine is entirely too gray for my tastes.

The law is not always right. That being said, there are good and bad ways to disobey said laws. The good ways are peaceful, public, and calm. The bad ways involve yelling at people and committing crimes on top of the ones you disagree with and choose to protest. If you disagree with the law, you'll get farther following the footsteps of Ghandi and MLK jr. than you will following the teachings of those who instagated the problems at this year's G8 summit.

My point is not about the right or wrong way to disobey laws. My point is, police are legally empowered to do a lot of things. Tuning someone up for being "disrespectful" is not one of them nor should it be one of them. I get gutsick listening to the pseudo-nostalgic blathering of people who long for "the good old days" when cops could knock someone around at their own discretion without those dastardly librulz interfering, especially since those same people would be singing an opera about injustice and abuse if it happened to them or theirs. Cops should not be in the business of deciding who needs a physical attitude adjustment and anyone who advocates such should be aware that even the most heartfelt apologia for police brutality on teh internets will not guarantee they'll never get the same treatment. That's the beauty of this world: everyone's an asshole to someone else. It just gets really interesting when the person who considers you an asshole has a taser, pepper spray, a baton, a gun, the authority to use all of the above on you, the ability to arrest and incarcerate you, an entire department of people just like them and a drooling horde of dicksplats on the internet who'll defend them for no better reason than they wear a badge.

blisteringsilence wrote:

Now for the "I have a badge, that means you have to listen to me and obey everything I tell you." Actually, that's what a badge means. If an officer gives you an order, you have a legal obligation to follow his command. He may be unjustified in giving that order, but the time and place to dispute it is NOT the time he gives it to you. It's called using common sense.

That's actually quite incorrect.

Granted, the law and public opinion do seem to waffle on this a bit, but you are not legally obligated to follow every command issued by an officer. There's that whole sticky "probable cause" thing. Police have gotten rather good at making up probable cause on the spot, but the fact remains that without probable cause, a police office can tell you to do something and you are completely within your rights to tell him to blow it out his ass sideways. Now in practical application, the main reason it would be best not to dispute an order issued by a police officer is because if you do, chances are they will see it as a direct challenge, an insult, and they will respond by fucking with you to the fullest extent they can get away with. True, this is not an absolute; there are decent cops out there who put their egos aside and do the job without feeling like they have to lean on everybody who doesn't instinctually turn into a simpering pool of jelly when facing a badge. In 36 years, I've met two. The rest of them have gotten my compliance for the simple reason that I don't really like the odds that I'd get a cop who would back off once I made it clear that I knew they had no legal grounds for what they were doing. I know in my mind that if I decided to refuse to be searched by that cop that stopped me on the way home from the mini-mart that one, he would have probably rode me face-first into the sidewalk and two, nobody would have given a damn that some longhair in a leather jacket got roughed up by a cop. As far as any legal proceedings afterwards, lack of probable cause would have resulted in a situation that then generated probable cause, since society at large has this collective delusion that anyone who doesn't comply is obviously hiding something. Lack of justification becomes justification. Ain't it great how that works? And ain't it a sad fucking commentary about life.

blisteringsilence wrote:

The fundamental difference between you and a police officer (one you can't seem to wrap your mind around) is that if you fuck up in your job, someone gets the wrong ingredients on their pizza. When a police officer fucks up, someone just might die.

That, sir, is exactly what I was getting at. If I fuck up because someone pisses me off, maybe someone gets the wrong order. Maybe I forget to bring them a godsdamn Coke, or I leave their slice of veggie fucking combo in the oven too long, if I let someone's lack of respect (or my lack of respect for them) for me color what I'm doing. When a cop does that? People get hurt. People get killed. People end up in jail or in prison or with a reputation that makes it impossible for them to get a decent job. If I allow my judgment to be compromised by my ego, it's inconvenient. If a cop allows it; we're talking various levels from inconvenient all the way up to ruinous and lethal. Different levels of authority, different levels of responsibility and oversight. At least that's how it should work.

blisteringsilence wrote:

Therefore, officers are less likely to take chances. You can't go out on a limb for someone when you're an officer. People are always out for themselves. That's why an officer's main goal is to make it home safely every night. Everything else that happens is gravy.

"I wanna make it home alive tonight" is not the rationale of a riot cop who decides that that mouthy hippie on the other side of the barricade needs a facefull of pepper spray. It is not the rationale of a cop who continues to taser a suspect even after that suspect is handcuffed and face-down on the ground. And it's not the rationale of a cop who chokeholds a 13-year old skate rat who probably has a hard time getting out of bed in the morning without feeling strained by the effort. It's not the heartwarming picture of the family man doing his job and thinking about making it back safe to his wife and kids after every shift. It's just the mentality of a common street thug shoehorned into a uniform and disguised as a public servant.

No, it's not much of a secret that I don't like cops. Wanna know why? Abuse of authority and the current cultivated popular reaction to it. Far too many people actually seem see police abuse of force as a good thing, as some kind of beneficial corrective benefit to society. People wanting to take the idea of "some people just need a good ass-kicking" and make it into public policy, except like usual it stops being a good idea when it starts happening to the people who thought it was a good idea. Myself, I don't know how much of it is a sincere (if deluded) belief that it's the right thing and how much of it is just frustrated wanna-be authoritarian thugs living vicariously through others.