BF2S Forums Will the millions Guantanamo inmates win be used for terrorism?

FEOS wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Proberbly. 

Payback's a bitch

How could it be payback if they're not terrorists?

Because of the wrongful detention that may get them angry and so turn to terrorism once they're free? Especially when they're mixed in with people who really are terrorists and should be in there.

I'm only saying that it's not exactly something that's hard to think of happening, and if someone is freed even though they actually were a terrorist at the time of capture, well that's then a problem of the people who are responsible for choosing who to free.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2008-11-22 09:42:05)

Mekstizzle wrote:

FEOS wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Proberbly. 

Payback's a bitch

How could it be payback if they're not terrorists?

Because of the wrongful detention that may get them angry and so turn to terrorism once they're free? Especially when they're mixed in with people who really are terrorists and should be in there.

I'm only saying that it's not exactly something that's hard to think of happening, and if someone is freed even though they actually were a terrorist at the time of capture, well that's then a problem of the people who are responsible for choosing who to free.

There's no terrorists there, according to many here. They wouldn't know how to start being terrorists. They would just use their money to go back to being simple farmers living idyllic lives with puppies and bunnies and stuff.

But I get what you're saying.

FEOS wrote:

m3thod wrote:

Proberbly. 

Payback's a bitch

How could it be payback if they're not terrorists?

yep.  they are innocent memba?

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Against their government or crowded market places full of women and children?

he knows the answer to that.  he just likes crying about it.

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Against their government or crowded market places full of women and children?

he knows the answer to that.  he just likes crying about it.

In your own words, go fist yourself.

Ajax, I didn't say that terrorism is justified...  or at least terrorism against women and children.

yeah but thats what a lot of these guys go back and do. Guilt/innocence in a warzone is a difficult thing to prove.

FEOS wrote:

There's no terrorists there, according to many here. They wouldn't know how to start being terrorists. They would just use their money to go back to being simple farmers living idyllic lives with puppies and bunnies and stuff.

We have no idea if they are terrorists or not.
Since practically none have been charged, and they are steadily being released anyway, the probability is they are either not terrorists or they are but there is no actual evidence.
However you look at it its Lose-Lose for the US.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-11-23 04:34:01)

FEOS wrote:

And again...were any POWs in WW2 charged with something and then tried before they were detained for the duration of hostilities?

No?

Really?

Double-standards ftl.

qft

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

usmarine wrote:

he knows the answer to that.  he just likes crying about it.

In your own words, go fist yourself.

Ajax, I didn't say that terrorism is justified...  or at least terrorism against women and children.

yeah but thats what a lot of these guys go back and do. Guilt/innocence in a warzone is a difficult thing to prove.

I agree on both accounts, but that doesn't excuse torturing innocent people.  The due process of law is very important.

And again, I'm not saying that I agree with what some of these people might choose to do after being released, but it is worth noting why they might be tempted to do it after the treatment some of them have received for having committed no crime.

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Harmor wrote:

Will the millions Guantanamo inmates are probably going to win in their successful wrongful detainment civil suits against the government be used to fund terrorism?

*shrugs* Good question, but ironically, I have a lot less sympathy for them after seeing "Sicko."  Their healthcare was socialized, unlike what any American citizen gets.

Cuban Healthcare . It's so wonderful that Cubans risk life and limb to gtfo.

Um...  what I was referring to here was how the American government subsidizes the healthcare of our detainees.  It's one of the only "nice" things we do for these people, but it makes me wonder why we provide them care but don't do the same for our own citizens.

But yeah, Moore was way off in trying to present Cuba's healthcare as good.  Now, the French system is probably the best in the world.

Kmarion wrote:

Well, you said after I saw "sicko", in which Moore tried to portray Cuba as a great example of socialized healthcare. We provide them healthcare because they are under our supervision. They haven't the freedom to go out and find work to provide health care for themselves. They have no choice. Capiche?

We are providing healthcare for our own citizens when they are "detained". As well as a plethora of other programs for those that aren't.

Well, given the high number of people who are supposedly free to find their own care that, for some reason, can't afford insurance...  you still don't think any socialized plan is necessary?

Kmarion wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Well, you said after I saw "sicko", in which Moore tried to portray Cuba as a great example of socialized healthcare. We provide them healthcare because they are under our supervision. They haven't the freedom to go out and find work to provide health care for themselves. They have no choice. Capiche?

We are providing healthcare for our own citizens when they are "detained". As well as a plethora of other programs for those that aren't.

Well, given the high number of people who are supposedly free to find their own care that, for some reason, can't afford insurance...  you still don't think any socialized plan is necessary?

I think, *forgive me for what I am about to say, we need to regulate the existing system more. We are spending a lot already, but the actual cost is out of control. Ambulance chasers and the sue happy culture has forced doctors to carry an incredible amount of insurance. I will never be in favor of a single national plan. You can't compare anything in Europe with the type of scale needed in the US. Maybe, at best, create something on the state level.

Agreed on most counts.  I think state based systems would be best, although I would posit that a national system may be necessary initially to get the ball rolling.  Perhaps, Obama could set up a 10 year temporary national system to give the states time to create systems of their own design.

FEOS wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

FEOS wrote:

How could it be payback if they're not terrorists?

Because of the wrongful detention that may get them angry and so turn to terrorism once they're free? Especially when they're mixed in with people who really are terrorists and should be in there.

I'm only saying that it's not exactly something that's hard to think of happening, and if someone is freed even though they actually were a terrorist at the time of capture, well that's then a problem of the people who are responsible for choosing who to free.

There's no terrorists there, according to many here. They wouldn't know how to start being terrorists. They would just use their money to go back to being simple farmers living idyllic lives with puppies and bunnies and stuff.

But I get what you're saying.

You're starting to sound like some of the loony right-wingers on here these days FEOS! Not many people on this forum would truly believe Guantanamo Bay to be full of innocent peasants and farmers, I for one certainly do not... what most people argue about here is that we don't know one way or another what they are because there is virtually zero transparency and no proper due process.

As regards the OP I think maybe... some people might have went in innocent and come out bitter and radicalised, others may have went in guilty and just slipped through the cracks of Gitmo's policy of not building and putting forward proper court cases against these people.