Penetrator
Certified Twat
+296|6952|Bournemouth, South England
Its nice to see a bit of good news from that region at last. Maybe a sign of things to come?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6992|San Diego, CA, USA
Wait, we are congratulating them for releasing a hostage that they took in the first place?  That's like what happened with the love-fest with Iran when they released the British hostages just a few months back.

Hamas is still a terrorist group that is supported by Syria and Iran.

How many people have they beheaded, murdered, burned alive recently?

Although I'm happy that they released this guy they are still terrorists.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7064|London, England

Harmor wrote:

Wait, we are congratulating them for releasing a hostage that they took in the first place?  That's like what happened with the love-fest with Iran when they released the British hostages just a few months back.

Hamas is still a terrorist group that is supported by Syria and Iran.

How many people have they beheaded, murdered, burned alive recently?

Although I'm happy that they released this guy they are still terrorists.
They didn't kidnap him, it was some twats named "The Army of Islam" who they say aren't affiliated with Hamas or something. I agree that Hamas are still a militant group and this one act doesn't make up for what they've done in the past.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6992|San Diego, CA, USA
My bad.  I agree though they are still terrorists (i.e. the scorpion you help cross the river who stings you because its in his nature to do so).
DeathBecomesYu
Member
+171|6623
They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7025|SE London

Penetrator_01 wrote:

Its nice to see a bit of good news from that region at last. Maybe a sign of things to come?
I shouldn't think so.

It doesn't change Hamas' convictions, in fact I'm really not suprised by this in the slightest. More a sign of them demonstrating their control and trying to curry favour with the west.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7025|SE London

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
They got nothing out of it (except good PR - and more journalists in Gaza helps Hamas' cause a lot). They didn't release him, they freed him from his captors - there is a huge difference.

Mr Zahhar hailed it as part of Hamas's efforts to extend security to all in Gaza "without fear" and so that journalists could be free to work objectively.

He insisted no deal had been done with Alan's captors - who had been calling for the release of prisoners held in the UK and Jordan.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-07-04 08:19:26)

Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6992|San Diego, CA, USA

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
Good point.  What if we were to find out that several million dollars were exchanged for his release?  What then?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
I don't praise Hamas, you should read again.  I said I don't like Hamas tactics, but this time they did the right thing.  Who cares if they are extremists, in this case they helped to get a journalist freed alive.  And I don't care why they did it.  I care they did it.  Period.  For once they did the right thing.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

Harmor wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
Good point.  What if we were to find out that several million dollars were exchanged for his release?  What then?
What if...That's not evidence.  The guy was released and that's what matters here.  I don't get your point.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7025|SE London

Harmor wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
Good point.  What if we were to find out that several million dollars were exchanged for his release?  What then?
You won't. It was in their best intrests to find him and get him freed, simple as that. They did not do it out of the goodness of their hearts, obviously. They did it because it makes them look good and to get more journalists around, also, in general, making them look good.
samfink
Member
+31|6999
it hasn't. you guys are forgetting Hamas fighters had surrounded the compound where the journalist was being held, and were preparing to storm the building. had he not been released, Hamas would have stormed the building and freed him. and had thta failed, you bet they would slip the GPS co-ordinates to us ( the British) and the SAS would have been there in the blink of an eye ( metaphorically speaking) and freed him anyway. also, I doubt Hamas would give over several million dollars to a group that s not affiliated with them, PLUS they could free him w/o paying. hamas mighyt be a terrorist organisation, but I HOPE they have woken up to the reality of the situation and are going to try to create a decent Palestinian state ( I'll elave aside the secular/islamist quetsion at the moment, suffcie it to say that as long as Palastine doesn't welcome al-queda, I'm happy) in co-operation with the Isrealis.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6666|Escea

Blatant publicity stunt IMO to make Hamas more favourable to the West.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7106|USA

Harmor wrote:

Wait, we are congratulating them for releasing a hostage that they took in the first place?  That's like what happened with the love-fest with Iran when they released the British hostages just a few months back.

Hamas is still a terrorist group that is supported by Syria and Iran.

How many people have they beheaded, murdered, burned alive recently?

Although I'm happy that they released this guy they are still terrorists.
A democratically elected terrorist group. That sounds so strange.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6939
Gift Horse. Mouth. Looking.

A hostage was freed, but none of you pessimists can say anything besides, "They've got alternative motives!" "They're still terrorists!" "They did it because they're evil!"

Do I see a "Glad he survived." or "Good news."? No. None of you could give two shits about the victims of terrorism, you're too busy getting off on your anti-terrorism fetish.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6666|Escea

jonsimon wrote:

Gift Horse. Mouth. Looking.

A hostage was freed, but none of you pessimists can say anything besides, "They've got alternative motives!" "They're still terrorists!" "They did it because they're evil!"

Do I see a "Glad he survived." or "Good news."? No. None of you could give two shits about the victims of terrorism, you're too busy getting off on your anti-terrorism fetish.
Right so because I didn't type "Glad he survived" that means I'm not? Good logic, people don't have to put down everything they think you know.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina
Here's how I see it.  It really does Hamas little good to capture journalists.  They don't make policies or implement them.  It's just bad publicity for Hamas whenever a journalist or some other non-governmental person is abducted.

So...  if anything, they probably came to their senses....  for the moment.

give it a few days....
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|7145|Little Rock, Arkansas

sergeriver wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

They didn't do this out of the "goodness" of their heart....guaranteed there was something in exchange for this release. I have to say I find this funny that you praise a terrorist group for this one release.
I don't praise Hamas, you should read again.  I said I don't like Hamas tactics, but this time they did the right thing.  Who cares if they are extremists, in this case they helped to get a journalist freed alive.  And I don't care why they did it.  I care they did it.  Period.  For once they did the right thing.
*raises hand* I care that they're extremists.

Mekstizzle wrote:

They didn't kidnap him, it was some twats named "The Army of Islam" who they say aren't affiliated with Hamas or something. I agree that Hamas are still a militant group and this one act doesn't make up for what they've done in the past.
"Left hand! This is right hand! Knock that shit off! What are you thinking! Oh wait..... we might be able to salvage this yet.... Good job left hand!"
san4
The Mas
+311|7132|NYC, a place to live

Associate Press wrote:

Army of Islam spokesman Abu Khatab al-Maqdisi, who had been arrested by Hamas as a potentially valuable bargaining chip earlier this week, said his faction would work together with Hamas, a onetime ally....

Late Tuesday, the Doghmush clan released nine students loyal to Hamas that they kidnapped earlier in the week. Hamas officials and mediators said the release was meant to pave the way for Johnston's release.

Then four Army of Islam members were freed by Hamas, said Abu Mujahid from the Popular Resistance Committees, the militant group handling the negotiations. The four included an Army of Islam spokesman whose arrest Monday was seen as an effort to gain a potentially valuable bargaining chip.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/ … 4959.shtml
Sounds like Hamas got him out at least partly by taking some hostages of its own.

The fact that Hamas made a major effort to get Johnston free is (additional) evidence that they are at least a little responsive to outside pressures and world opinion. That's a healthy thing. But they're not responsive enough. Ultimately I'm not sure this incident means very much.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7025|SE London

Turquoise wrote:

Here's how I see it.  It really does Hamas little good to capture journalists.  They don't make policies or implement them.  It's just bad publicity for Hamas whenever a journalist or some other non-governmental person is abducted.

So...  if anything, they probably came to their senses....  for the moment.

give it a few days....
They didn't capture him!

It was an unconnected group. It was nothing to do with them coming to their senses. Hamas like western journalists in Palestine. They send back loads of videos of Palestinians getting shot by Israelis and they usually focus on the attrocities commited by the Israelis, journalists covering Hamas terror attacks are usually in Israel. I imagine the Hamas response on hearing the Army of Islam had kidnapped a British jouranlist in Palestine would've been something like:

https://forums.netphoria.org/photoalbum/albums/userpics/15839/al-hakim-shaking-fist.jpg
"Damn you Army of Islam! A jihad on you and your journalist stealing ways! We need those journalists to make the Israelis look bad."

Hamas are a bunch of cunts. Their methods do nothing to help the Palestinian peoples cause, but they do generate a fair bit of popularity amongst them - hence them being elected.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6849|North Carolina
My mistake, but I still wonder why whoever this group was did what they did.  Why capture journalists?
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7201|Argentina

Turquoise wrote:

My mistake, but I still wonder why whoever this group was did what they did.  Why capture journalists?
To catch their 15 minutes of fame?
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7025|SE London

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

My mistake, but I still wonder why whoever this group was did what they did.  Why capture journalists?
To catch their 15 minutes of fame?
I reckon so. I'd certainly never heard of the Army of Islam prior to this.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6666|Escea

Bertster7 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

My mistake, but I still wonder why whoever this group was did what they did.  Why capture journalists?
To catch their 15 minutes of fame?
I reckon so. I'd certainly never heard of the Army of Islam prior to this.
Me neither.

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