BF2S Forums Turkey Massing 140,000 Troops on Iraq border

Ottomania wrote:

ATG wrote:

_1_MAN-ARMY.17 wrote:

we will never let them seperate our country!

It will be interesting to see Turkeys standing army go up against the standing army in Iraq of America.

It will not be IED's and occupation but a conventional war and the Turks will be butchered.

Please remind your war mongering brethren of our capabilities in conventional war.

so you prefer supporting kurds that have nothing instead of one of your biggest ally in the region?

hmmmm, having been a part of the 4th Infantry Division during that war, I would tread lightly on that "biggest ally" comment.  I was the person in my battalion responsible for trying to adhere to all the restrictions and red tape the Turks were putting in our way to keep from allowing us to bring our Division through Turkey to attack Iraq from the north.

Allies only last as long as it is politically 'in the best intrests of the state.'

thom804 wrote:

ATG wrote:

_1_MAN-ARMY.17 wrote:

we will never let them seperate our country!

It will be interesting to see Turkeys standing army go up against the standing army in Iraq of America.

It will not be IED's and occupation but a conventional war and the Turks will be butchered.

Please remind your war mongering brethren of our capabilities in conventional war.

Tee Hee Hee, what was the last war America won on it's own? Ask yourslef that question and then realise it was against themselves. I'm from the UK and i've served in Iraq with American forces. Even with their macho attitude, they said they're stretched to the absolute limit.

If you stuck the US in a conventional ground, air or sea war it would win outright by itself.

Mekstizzle wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

thom804 wrote:

Tee Hee Hee, what was the last war America won on it's own? Ask yourslef that question and then realise it was against themselves. I'm from the UK and i've served in Iraq with American forces. Even with their macho attitude, they said they're stretched to the absolute limit.

If you stuck the US in a conventional ground, air or sea war it would win outright by itself.

Just like how France would've totally kicked Nazi Germany's ass if they had fought like they were supposed to (WW1 style)

fighting WW1 style against Nazi Germany of '39/'42 wouldn't have any effect at all...

even if you don't include the tech, the technique used in WW1 was already outdated at that time..(both sides)

Ottomania wrote:

imortal wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

so you prefer supporting kurds that have nothing instead of one of your biggest ally in the region?

hmmmm, having been a part of the 4th Infantry Division during that war, I would tread lightly on that "biggest ally" comment.  I was the person in my battalion responsible for trying to adhere to all the restrictions and red tape the Turks were putting in our way to keep from allowing us to bring our Division through Turkey to attack Iraq from the north.

Allies only last as long as it is politically 'in the best intrests of the state.'

do you mean that our restriction to the us army erased all good things we have made?

I said the Kurds were our allies, not the Turks.
I wouldn't trust a Turk as far as I can throw a main battle tank.

Ottomania wrote:

imortal wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

so you prefer supporting kurds that have nothing instead of one of your biggest ally in the region?

hmmmm, having been a part of the 4th Infantry Division during that war, I would tread lightly on that "biggest ally" comment.  I was the person in my battalion responsible for trying to adhere to all the restrictions and red tape the Turks were putting in our way to keep from allowing us to bring our Division through Turkey to attack Iraq from the north.

Allies only last as long as it is politically 'in the best intrests of the state.'

do you mean that our restriction to the us army erased all good things we have made?

No, I mean your goverment played the "fair weather allies" game, restricting the US army to use only 2/3 of the force they had planned, and restricting the war to one front, instead of two.  As a result, the war lasted longer than it should have, left more of the Iraqi military in place than it should have, and gave Saddam an area in the north to run and hide in that would have already been invested in force if Turkey had simply honored the spirit of the agreement and allowed the 4th Infantry to pass through.  And by stringing the army along as long as it did, held up the entire division more than a month with waiting, then forcing them to ship their equipment (already on board ships in the Med) to move down to enter through Kuwait.

Yes, your goverment allowed us to overfly your space.  Your goverment allowed air bases on its land.  And your goverment allowed us to base civilian contractors in Turkey to help ship fuel to the Iraqis when their refineries were down. 

There is an old adage in the US Army, and most likely in most militaries around the world.  "It only takes one 'oh, shit' to erase all the 'atta-boys' in the world."

The Boer War from 1899-1902 was won by Britain, and they were fighting by themselves. The Falklands War, too, in 1982, was an exclusively British conflict.

imortal wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

imortal wrote:

hmmmm, having been a part of the 4th Infantry Division during that war, I would tread lightly on that "biggest ally" comment.  I was the person in my battalion responsible for trying to adhere to all the restrictions and red tape the Turks were putting in our way to keep from allowing us to bring our Division through Turkey to attack Iraq from the north.

Allies only last as long as it is politically 'in the best intrests of the state.'

do you mean that our restriction to the us army erased all good things we have made?

No, I mean your goverment played the "fair weather allies" game, restricting the US army to use only 2/3 of the force they had planned, and restricting the war to one front, instead of two.  As a result, the war lasted longer than it should have, left more of the Iraqi military in place than it should have, and gave Saddam an area in the north to run and hide in that would have already been invested in force if Turkey had simply honored the spirit of the agreement and allowed the 4th Infantry to pass through.  And by stringing the army along as long as it did, held up the entire division more than a month with waiting, then forcing them to ship their equipment (already on board ships in the Med) to move down to enter through Kuwait.

Yes, your goverment allowed us to overfly your space.  Your goverment allowed air bases on its land.  And your goverment allowed us to base civilian contractors in Turkey to help ship fuel to the Iraqis when their refineries were down. 

There is an old adage in the US Army, and most likely in most militaries around the world.  "It only takes one 'oh, shit' to erase all the 'atta-boys' in the world."

I remember when that shit was going on back at hood.  Turkery finally did not allow yall to attack from the north.  didnt they have all your tracks floating in the ocean for 6 weeks or something like that?

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

imortal wrote:

Ottomania wrote:

do you mean that our restriction to the us army erased all good things we have made?

No, I mean your goverment played the "fair weather allies" game, restricting the US army to use only 2/3 of the force they had planned, and restricting the war to one front, instead of two.  As a result, the war lasted longer than it should have, left more of the Iraqi military in place than it should have, and gave Saddam an area in the north to run and hide in that would have already been invested in force if Turkey had simply honored the spirit of the agreement and allowed the 4th Infantry to pass through.  And by stringing the army along as long as it did, held up the entire division more than a month with waiting, then forcing them to ship their equipment (already on board ships in the Med) to move down to enter through Kuwait.

Yes, your goverment allowed us to overfly your space.  Your goverment allowed air bases on its land.  And your goverment allowed us to base civilian contractors in Turkey to help ship fuel to the Iraqis when their refineries were down. 

There is an old adage in the US Army, and most likely in most militaries around the world.  "It only takes one 'oh, shit' to erase all the 'atta-boys' in the world."

I remember when that shit was going on back at hood.  Turkery finally did not allow yall to attack from the north.  didnt they have all your tracks floating in the ocean for 6 weeks or something like that?

Every mother lovin' vehicle, from the trailers to the tanks, sitting on board 42 Heavy Equipment ships, dilligently guarded by army troops with 3 M2 .50 cals per ship. 12 man detail per ship.

Last edited by imortal (2007-07-12 20:05:25)

imortal wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

The Boer War from 1899-1902 was won by Britain, and they were fighting by themselves. The Falklands War, too, in 1982, was an exclusively British conflict.

Okay, I will give you the Falklands, but you have to give the US Grenada.

EDIT*** yes, the intent was to draw laughter from those with a sense of humor, and fire from those without.

Just FYI, I am a U.S. citizen.

imortal wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

tthf wrote:

WWIII then?

Not really. USA leaves. Turkey, Iran, and Saudi Arabia fight it out.

And this is a bad idea because...?

Thats the point.  Let them destroy themselves and the area... then the next president from the "good 'ol boys club" will come in and "rescue" the oil.

Brilliant - this should make for some interesting TV while we wait for the next season of Lost to begin.

<BoTM>J_Aero wrote:

ATG was absolutely right, credit to him.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007 … 984733.htm

abcnews wrote:

Turkish Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul says the country will not hesitate to act to eliminate the threat posed by the PKK, which both Ankara and Washington list as a terrorist organisation.

"Our aim is not to enter Iraq but to neutralise the terrorist organisation," he said.

"We will use our right [to self-defence as long as the terrorist organisation continues to harm Turkey."

Shit, do we not use the spell checker anymore?

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2007-07-22 02:05:32)

nukchebi0 wrote:

The Boer War from 1899-1902 was won by Britain, and they were fighting by themselves. The Falklands War, too, in 1982, was an exclusively British conflict.

i hope by "Britan" u mean the British commonwealth because 606 good Australian men lost their lives in the Boer war

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2007-07-22 02:51:00)