sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7202|Argentina
Iraq violence: Monitoring the surge

BBC wrote:

The US is becoming resigned to the fight against insurgency possibly lasting a decade or more.
Its head of forces in Iraq, Gen David Petraeus, told the BBC's John Simpson this week that the average counter-insurgency lasted nine or 10 years.

But he also suggested there was scope to reduce troop numbers as long as areas that the coalition had gained could be held by Iraqi forces.

The US says the surge is beginning to show signs of progress, with areas such as parts of Baquba now under American control.

However, Gen Petraeus says it could take until September to gauge its full effects.

During the seven-day period to 11 July there were some 575 violent deaths in the country - up by about 80 on the previous week.

Again, civilians bore the brunt of the violence with 377 deaths - topping last week's figure.

Military casualties, both American and Iraqi, were also up, as was the number of Iraqi police who were killed.

The BBC's Diplomatic Correspondent, Jonathan Marcus, says this reflects the dramatically increased level of US offensive operations.

However, the 51 reported deaths among insurgents were considerably lower than the previous week's 175.
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6993|San Diego, CA, USA
So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7046|132 and Bush

Harmor wrote:

So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
I'm sure not... just poor wording.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7107|USA
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7202|Argentina

Harmor wrote:

So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
The insurgency is killing the civilians.  I'm just saying what the BBC reported.  Since feb 30,000 aditional troops were sent to Iraq to curb violence.  But violence increased.  It's not a matter of sending more troops.  That's all.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7202|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

Harmor wrote:

So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
I'm sure not... just poor wording.
Well forgive me, I'm not professor in English like yourself.  I'll try to rephrase.

ME WANTS to say that you can send more troops but that DON'T MEANSSSSSS that you will CURBSSSSSS violence doing so.  ME THINKS sending more troops INCREASEEEEEE violence. 

Is spelling correct?
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6668|Escea

sergeriver wrote:

Harmor wrote:

So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
The insurgency is killing the civilians.  I'm just saying what the BBC reported.  Since feb 30,000 aditional troops were sent to Iraq to curb violence.  But violence increased.  It's not a matter of sending more troops.  That's all.
The surge would have also been more effective if the media hadn't put it over the airwaves and given the head honchos time to escape and the insurgents time to prepare themselves. But urban combat is the most difficult form of combat as far as I know.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7202|Argentina
And for Kmarion who appears to be a bit aggressive today, you can say the subject is poor wording, but I stand by what I said.  More troops means more civilian casualties.  Prove me wrong.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7046|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Harmor wrote:

So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
I'm sure not... just poor wording.
Well forgive me, I'm not professor in English like yourself.  I'll try to rephrase.

ME WANTS to say that you can send more troops but that DON'T MEANSSSSSS that you will CURBSSSSSS violence doing so.  ME THINKS sending more troops INCREASEEEEEE violence. 

Is spelling correct?
I was defending you, I know you better than that.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7202|Argentina

Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Kmarion wrote:


I'm sure not... just poor wording.
Well forgive me, I'm not professor in English like yourself.  I'll try to rephrase.

ME WANTS to say that you can send more troops but that DON'T MEANSSSSSS that you will CURBSSSSSS violence doing so.  ME THINKS sending more troops INCREASEEEEEE violence. 

Is spelling correct?
I was defending you, I know you better than that.
Don't worry, I misunderstood you.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6987|Texas - Bigger than France
And the talks of withdrawing from Iraq doesn't have any effect?

Ps. The troop surge & violence link was reported in US papers in June.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|7089
Iraqi civilian casualties were down 36% for the month of June.  700 less Iraqis were killed than the monthly average up to that point.   Why dont we have threads about this?

and in that same month, American troops took more casualties than Iraqi troops.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-07-16 10:59:14)

IG-Calibre
comhalta
+226|7187|Tír Eoghan, Tuaisceart Éireann

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

Iraqi civilian casualties were down 36% for the month of June.  700 less Iraqis were killed than the monthly average up to that point.   Why dont we have threads about this?

and in that same month, American troops took more casualties than Iraqi troops.
These figures mean nothing because they cannot be independently verified.

The number of civilians killed in Iraq fell in June to the lowest level since the Baghdad security drive began in February, the Iraqi government says.
It says 1,241 civilians were killed in June - a nearly 40% drop compared with 1,951 violent deaths in May.

However, the figures cannot be verified independently, and many deaths are believed to go unreported.

June also ended the deadliest three months for US soldiers since the war began in 2003, with 330 troops killed.

US officials say American losses are rising because increased patrols in and around the Iraqi capital have left their forces more exposed.

Five US soldiers were killed in separate attacks in Baghdad and the western Anbar province on Sunday, the US military said.

US President George W Bush has ordered nearly 30,000 troops to be deployed in and around Baghdad to try to improve security and curb sectarian violence.

The last of the US reinforcements arrived last month.

Suspicions

The new Iraqi government figure means that continuous bombings and shootings claimed an average of 40 lives every day in June - a drop from about 60 civilian deaths a day in May.

It also shows that at least 170 Iraqi policemen and soldiers were killed in the past month.

Anywhere else in the world it would be appalling statistics, but for Iraq this figure is seen as a positive sign, the BBC's Andrew North in Baghdad says.

US commanders said they were cautiously optimistic about the new figure but added that it was too early to say it was a sign their troop surge was working.

There are suspicions about the way the Iraqi government handles such information, our correspondent says.

It has refused to reconsider its decision to withhold statistics from the United Nations mission in Iraq.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle … 260084.stm

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2007-07-16 11:07:52)

KnowMeByTrailOfDead
Jackass of all Trades
+62|7126|Dayton, Ohio
Does the law of equal and oposite reactions mean anthing to you?  The harder we fight to quelm the violence, the more disruptive the insurgetns try to become.  Hence the increase in large scale Suicide bombings.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7202|Argentina

KnowMeByTrailOfDead wrote:

Does the law of equal and oposite reactions mean anthing to you?  The harder we fight to quelm the violence, the more disruptive the insurgetns try to become.  Hence the increase in large scale Suicide bombings.
That's the point.  Don't waste the lives of American soldiers, coz the harder you fight them, the harder the insurgency will get.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-07-16 13:02:25)

Comrade Ogilvy
Member
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sergeriver wrote:

Harmor wrote:

So are you saying that American troops are killing those innocent civilians?
The insurgency is killing the civilians.  I'm just saying what the BBC reported.  Since feb 30,000 aditional troops were sent to Iraq to curb violence.  But violence increased.  It's not a matter of sending more troops.  That's all.
The terrorist read  and watch the news about the demorats wanting to withdraw troops...simple...they grease the slide with more violence

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