BF2S Forums Nearly Half of Foreign Militants in Iraq Are Saudi

rawls2 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wait Saudi from Saudi Arabia?  The US ally?  The same guys who helped with the planes into the twin towers?  No way.  There must be a mistake.  Those guys are good people.  The bad guys are Syria and Iran.

They're all fuckin evil man. Why do all ME countries resort to internal violence when they don't like something. Their mentality is you took my land so I'll blow myself up; you talked shit about Muhamed so I'll blow myself up; The US is evil so I'll blow myself up; Your sunni so I'll blow myself up; Your shiite so I'll blow myself up; I can't get pussy so I'll blow myself up. Yup, they are all evil.

You know how they see it?

We can't have your oil? Have a tommahawk, You're using euros? have a tommahawk? You've got phantom WMD's? Have a tommahawk? You want Israel land? Have a tommahawk? etc etc

Dumb posts are just that...

m3thod wrote:

rawls2 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wait Saudi from Saudi Arabia?  The US ally?  The same guys who helped with the planes into the twin towers?  No way.  There must be a mistake.  Those guys are good people.  The bad guys are Syria and Iran.

They're all fuckin evil man. Why do all ME countries resort to internal violence when they don't like something. Their mentality is you took my land so I'll blow myself up; you talked shit about Muhamed so I'll blow myself up; The US is evil so I'll blow myself up; Your sunni so I'll blow myself up; Your shiite so I'll blow myself up; I can't get pussy so I'll blow myself up. Yup, they are all evil.

You know how they see it?

We can't have your oil? Have a tommahawk, You're using euros? have a tommahawk? You've got phantom WMD's? Have a tommahawk? You want Israel land? Have a tommahawk? etc etc

Dumb posts are just that...

Don't be dumb. You got to do something really naughty to get a tomohawk.

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

m3thod wrote:

You want the Brits to share 50% of the blame for ME adventures failure?

No blame on the terrorists I guess.

History won't see it that way.  Iraq will be defined as a monumental fuck up attributed to the US with a small paragraph detailing British involvement.

Only the nerdy academics will know the true picture, but who the hell cares what some nerd knows.

The Brits should take some blame too, what do you want, being there fighting and all and walking away blaming everything on the US or something

hell I would blame The Netherlands also even tho there where there only 6 months or so and now in Afghanistan.

(if the allies truly leave Iraq/Afgh in a mess)

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

m3thod wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

No blame on the terrorists I guess.

History won't see it that way.  Iraq will be defined as a monumental fuck up attributed to the US with a small paragraph detailing British involvement.

Only the nerdy academics will know the true picture, but who the hell cares what some nerd knows.

The Brits should take some blame too, what do you want, being there fighting and all and walking away blaming everything on the US or something

hell I would blame The Netherlands also even tho there where there only 6 months or so and now in Afghanistan.

(if the allies truly leave Iraq in a mess)

I'm not saying the Brits should be devoid of blame.  History has a tendency to erode detail and as such the vast majority of the blame will be levied upon the US.

I give up....  Everywhere you turn in the Middle East, we have a large number of guerilla enemies.  I was against the Iraq War from the very beginning, but even I didn't expect this to go as badly for us as it has or for us to face so many extremists.

We really need to get the fuck out of Iraq and give Saudi Arabia the finger by moving away from foreign oil.  Of course, none of this is likely to happen anytime soon....

IG-Calibre wrote:

I really am surprised at the none response from Americans to this thread, we have to listen to you clanging your big brass balls all the time in this forum, and yet you've fuck all to say on this matter? WHAT THE FUCK ABOUT SAUDI ARABIA?  the silence is deafening.. here are your perpetrators of 9/11!  they are killing your country men with IEDs in Iraq, and your president walks arouond holding hands with the head of the Saudi government? and you've nothing to say? un-fucking-believable..

First, let's get one thing straight. The Government of Saudi is not sponsoring terror against the U.S. unlike Iran with its Kuuds. Saudi Government is not supplying weapons and arms to a paramilitary bent on removing America from Iraq or to destabilize Iraq for their own means. We have military bases in Saudi Arabia...if we were targets of the government...then why are we NOT attacked there? Also, Bin Laden PURPOSELY chose to use Saudis to try to drive a wedge between America and Saudi Arabia but it didn't work.

So now there are a lot of Saudis fighting with the radical insurgency. Don't forget that the Iraqi insurgency is different than the Islamic jihad. In fact, as many of you know..the Iraqi insurgency is becoming  more and more involved with getting rid of the latter Islamic militants and that is where the Saudis are. Also, the Saudis that are there are not there with the support of their government, they are there on their own accord like many from surrounding countries. There is a difference and to say that the Saudi government is involved has not been proven ANYWHERE. Our government does point out who is aiding who and the government ACTUALLY arming radical insurgents are exactly the ones our military is speaking up about.

Actually, I would like to hear from guys who have been in Iraq on this one. I would like to hear first hand experience of what they heard or what kind of insurgents they were running into and if they believe that the Saudi Government is involved like Iran and Syria has been. That would be interesting and I would be willing to back off if I heard different...from people who have lived it.

Spark wrote:

Actually, I would like to hear from guys who have been in Iraq on this one. I would like to hear first hand experience of what they heard or what kind of insurgents they were running into and if they believe that the Saudi Government is involved like Iran and Syria has been. That would be interesting and I would be willing to back off if I heard different...from people who have lived it.

How on earth would you tell?

There are obviously a few guys here that have been there. Imortal and Gunslinger if I am not mistaken. Of course, anyone can claim to be anyone on the net but from what they have said...they know what they are talking about.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

First, let's get one thing straight. The Government of Saudi is not sponsoring terror against the U.S.. .

and yet nearly half of all insurgents are Saudi in Iraq, as were most of those who carried out the 9/11 attacks.  THAT'S FACT! where is the out cry from america? I don't see it do you?

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Saudi Government is not supplying weapons and arms to a paramilitary bent on removing America from Iraq or to destabilize Iraq for their own means.

proof? what about Al-Haramain? that's backed by the Saudi Government, how much out of those millions  reach terrorist organizations? eh?

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

...if we were targets of the government...then why are we NOT attacked there?

ask yourself, seriously! why do you think?

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2007-07-18 08:17:47)

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

Actually the bulk of the Islamic states in the middle east are the 'bad guys'.  unfortunately until we can make a tank that runs on compressed air or solar power, we need to make deals with the devil so we can fuel the war that will defeat islamic fascism.  it's part of a larger campaign, so it will take a lot longer than previous wars especially with the lack of support from most of the world.

Wow, those brain washing facilities in the US do a real good job.

this works both ways i'm afraid.  stay blind then but i wish you luck.

If you seriously believe that distinctions between 'good' and 'bad' guys is that closely related to which region of the world they are from, then you are deluding yourself.

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:

this works both ways i'm afraid.  stay blind then but i wish you luck.

If you seriously believe that distinctions between 'good' and 'bad' guys is that closely related to which region of the world they are from, then you are deluding yourself.

no...you are correct.  it's not *only* the ME but wherever militant islam has taken root.  Janjaweed?  those guys are actually social workers trying to 'relocate' the disenfranchised to more fertile lands.  there are many other examples.  it's not the ME - just the religion of submission that i have a problem with.  i fart in their general direction.  pfffft.  enjoy.

Who said anything about the ME or Africa? I'm talking globally and independent of religion.