And you forgot to mention that Liberal Americans are the real enemy of America.
if i ever get hold of you, i'm gonna spank your Cadillac driving fatso imperialistic hamburger buttocks red white and blue.CyrusTheVirus wrote:
The sooner people realise that Islam poses a very real and immediate threat, akin to the threat of communism before we defeated that, to our way of life here in the great United States of America the better. We must take the fight to the muslims on their own turf to preserve the homeland from getting attacked - pre-emptive proactive anti-terrorism. It's the only way. I just hope we wake up before it's too late and my children are learning arabic in school and facing mecca to pray five times a day.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Yes...give us more excuses.
I'll QFE it too.lowing wrote:
You don't care??!!! AND quoted for effect??!! No comment to this BS. It pretty much speaks for itself.Cougar wrote:
QFEtopal63 wrote:
I am not worried either way.
It doesn't happen = fear mongering (as if I am in position to do something about a so-called Imminent Attack!).
It does happen and becomes actual news = too late now, it is just clean up and possible new prevention tactics at this point.
I am not callous, but I don't care - it is far more likely I will be murdered by a fellow American than by a terrorist (10 to 100-fold).
Honestly, if a plane gets highjacked in California, or England, or somewhere else. What are you going to do about it when you live in say...North Carolina. If my government's that worried about terror attacks that they suposedly prevent, let them worry about it. The only way it's going to affect me in life is the price at the pump when something like 9/11 goes down again.
OMGWTFMUSLIMZ!!topal63 wrote:
Ooh and you forgot to mention the sleeper cells that are already here - and what is being said at the local mosque.
TERRORISTZZZZ AIIIIEEEEEEEE!
Just goes to show, we (by we I mean the Western World...) fuck around with their governments, economies and resources so much that they have finally decided to fuck with us right back.
Seriously, what's the difference between bombing people on foot with a home made bomb and bombing people from 50,000 feet in a state of the art fighter-craft? Murder is murder, no matter how you label/committ the crime.
m3thod wrote:
if i ever get hold of you, i'm gonna spank your Cadillac driving fatso imperialistic hamburger buttocks red white and blue.CyrusTheVirus wrote:
The sooner people realise that Islam poses a very real and immediate threat, akin to the threat of communism before we defeated that, to our way of life here in the great United States of America the better. We must take the fight to the muslims on their own turf to preserve the homeland from getting attacked - pre-emptive proactive anti-terrorism. It's the only way. I just hope we wake up before it's too late and my children are learning arabic in school and facing mecca to pray five times a day.
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Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
I forget to mention the myth of a dirty bomb - were supposed to be afraid of that too - it could happen!
topal63 wrote:
I forget to mention the myth of a dirty bomb - were supposed to be afraid of that too - it could happen!

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
u know that we have killed a hundred times as many people in conventional warfare than they ever kill with some crappy roadside bomb.lowing wrote:
All I ask is that you bunch up on the beach so you can make room for the rest of you insisting on burying your heads in the sand. History is not on your side. Many attempts have been carried out and many have failed in the pursuit of the Islamic extremists efforts to sway the world to their beckoning. Even some attempts have succeeded. Like Spain. Obviously you are not willing to be bothered by such efforts. It is a good thing that there are those willing to take these threats seriously so you do not have to be inconvienced by it. I guess just as long as YOU don't get hurt there isn't anything to worry about.
They are desparate. If we dont leave them alone a few of them will go out with a sad, pathetic bang, and a few more of our precious troops will come home maimed.
Stay in school Lowing!!!
Yeah because there are PLENTY of historical examples of peaceful Americans paying for this lifestyle in blood. How can you make such an insane claim when war hasn't even touched our continental soil in over 100 years? History shows that we frequently start undeclared wars and kill massive numbers of civilians.usmarine2005 wrote:
Yawn. Dammed if you warn people dammed if you don't. Either way you will cry.
So uh, "Yawn, Damned if you warn people, damned if you don't. Either way foreigners will die."
You two are the most poorly educated members of this forum (after mitch, but i know hes still in high school so i leave him alone).
Hmmm....What do you do for a living? Education level?Marinejuana wrote:
You two are the most poorly educated members of this forum (after mitch, but i know hes still in high school so i leave him alone).
BA bio and anthro. graduated 2 months ago, im now a research assistant at UW.usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm....What do you do for a living? Education level?Marinejuana wrote:
You two are the most poorly educated members of this forum (after mitch, but i know hes still in high school so i leave him alone).
and are u paid by the US military to post in war game forums as part of a Psy-Op? just curious. i mean your biases are always strong, but since you dont ever provide evidence for your stances, seems like you lack passion about your beliefs. you come across like its just your boring job to unendingly advance and support the neo-con agenda.
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I am not in the Marines anymore. Evidence? I go off of what I saw with my own two eyes, not some crackpot website that has been proven false. And you are talking to me about bias? What about you?Marinejuana wrote:
BA bio and anthro. graduated 2 months ago, im now a research assistant at UW.usmarine2005 wrote:
Hmmm....What do you do for a living? Education level?Marinejuana wrote:
You two are the most poorly educated members of this forum (after mitch, but i know hes still in high school so i leave him alone).
and are u paid by the US military to post in war game forums as part of a Psy-Op? just curious. i mean your biases are always strong, but since you dont ever provide evidence for your stances, seems like you lack passion about your beliefs. you come across like its just your boring job to unendingly advance and support the neo con agenda.
Do you consider Hawaii our soil? If so, I'd consider Pearl Harbor an act of War thus making it a little over 60 years. And the only reason war hasn't touched our soil is because we're protected by two oceans and we're cool with Mexico and Canada.Marinejuana wrote:
How can you make such an insane claim when war hasn't even touched our continental soil in over 100 years?
Exactly - and that only serves to support his point.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
Do you consider Hawaii our soil? If so, I'd consider Pearl Harbor an act of War thus making it a little over 60 years. And the only reason war hasn't touched our soil is because we're protected by two oceans and we're cool with Mexico and Canada.Marinejuana wrote:
How can you make such an insane claim when war hasn't even touched our continental soil in over 100 years?
An embassy, warship, and military barracks are US soil.topal63 wrote:
Exactly - and that only serves to support his point.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
Do you consider Hawaii our soil? If so, I'd consider Pearl Harbor an act of War thus making it a little over 60 years. And the only reason war hasn't touched our soil is because we're protected by two oceans and we're cool with Mexico and Canada.Marinejuana wrote:
How can you make such an insane claim when war hasn't even touched our continental soil in over 100 years?
As far as I am concerned you and I can be considered - or defined as - American soil - and that definition amounts to a so what. Terrorism is not a nation we can wage war with - OK. It is a National Security issue. Terrorism has always been a National Security issue (prior to and after 9/11, and that of course extends to homegrown terrorist/criminal activity as well, i.e. the Oklahoma City bombing)usmarine2005 wrote:
An embassy, warship, and military barracks are US soil.topal63 wrote:
Exactly - and that only serves to support his point.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
Do you consider Hawaii our soil? If so, I'd consider Pearl Harbor an act of War thus making it a little over 60 years. And the only reason war hasn't touched our soil is because we're protected by two oceans and we're cool with Mexico and Canada.
P.S. In many ways the Terrorism we are fighting today is a product of American foreign policy. How we our addressing this National Security issue - together with how we are spending money - spending valuable military lives (arguably the most important resource) - is very debatable in terms of efficacy, value & truth.
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i support every statement i make with facts. i am biased by the facts presented to me, i admit that. I have not always been anti-war, I came to the conclusions I have by evaluating all the information put before me over many years now. When I was a teenager, I actually wanted to be a marine because I believed in the essential good of America and the quality and dignity of our armed forces. learning about events like vietnam (from numerous books, and notably my father, who flew hueys in 2 tours--have u ever seen a person carring around a human skull with the spine still attached? hope i never do), and the phillipine war eventually brought me to challenging these "self evident" truths about our military. I have sat through information coming from any source. I even listened to that entire crazy racist double standard radio clip in the other thread. I could have guessed at the beginning where he was going, but I still heard him out and then replied to his statements by citing facts drawn from multiple sources. I mean you must wonder why a person like me even plays a game like BF2 or is involved with a community that is obviously biased towards the military. Ive always been attracted to putting myself in situations where I might find new information and challenge my beliefs. Despite my yearning for new information, you provide me with none.usmarine2005 wrote:
Evidence? I go off of what I saw with my own two eyes, not some crackpot website that has been proven false. And you are talking to me about bias? What about you?
I repeatedly harass you on these forums because you are "USMarine," a neo-con permissive that is prolific in his posts but rarely, if ever, links us to data that would be of value in debates of current policy. I do respect that you believe and experience the things you say. But I think you need to seriously consider that the military makes endless profits from miseducating its soldiers. You may have been to iraq, but you haven't seen anything close to all of it. You may have seen thousands of iraqi people, but do u speak arabic? I have probably spent as much time working with Costa Rican locals in the rainforest as you spent in your Iraq tour, and i probably know more spanish than you know arabic, and yet i wouldnt even pretend to fully understand the costa rican perspective, and costa rica is the most westernized country in latin america. for you to have that experience and then claim to be an authority on an issue that reaches far beyond your personal experiences is a clear mistake. If you want to talk about your personal impact on iraq, then go for it, you may have done nothing but good to the iraqi people. but if one wants to discuss the affect of our military, it takes more information than a single soldier could collect. We are all left with the responsibility to consider the writings of the iraqi people, our military, and our journalists. we must also evaluate the biases of each of these sources.
Please add to the debate by citing information that goes beyond your personal experiences and opinions. If we tacitly believed anybody that "speaks from experience" then we'd walk in circles.
Please learn the definition of "continental U.S." before making dumb comments. And I suggest you do a bit more reading about Pearl Harbor and the matter of criminal negligence. And it should also help the present debate to realize that there certainly was not a world war in progress as of 2003. Look it up, the U.S. actually started this war.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
Do you consider Hawaii our soil? If so, I'd consider Pearl Harbor an act of War thus making it a little over 60 years. And the only reason war hasn't touched our soil is because we're protected by two oceans and we're cool with Mexico and Canada.Marinejuana wrote:
How can you make such an insane claim when war hasn't even touched our continental soil in over 100 years?
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Iraq broke the resolution (peace treaty) that stopped hostilities. After 10 years of non- compliance the war resumed. It did not become a battle ground for islamic extremists until they had the balls to come out of the woodwork after we got Saddam. Peace prosperity, democracy, stability are the last things Islamic terrorist want. It would show a better way of life for millions and THEY would loose control over their way of life. ISLAMPureFodder wrote:
If it were about Islamic extremism what the hell is anyone doing in Iraq? Iraq was not threatening anyone, was not a prime source of Islamic extremists and was not in any way at the top of the `most violently opressed country` list.lowing wrote:
Yes of course, because this is a war for Iraq, and NOT a war against Islamic extremism. I know in liberal fantasy landa ll the world sits around in a cluster of peace harmony and tolerance, but the real world isn't like that. Sometimes, you have to stand and fight for yourself, or even the little guy.PureFodder wrote:
Or alternatively all the pro-war Americans could unite with the anti-war Ameicans, withdraw from Iraq and use some of the troops to properly secure your borders. This would secure American citizens from terrorist attacks while having the advantages of less American soldiers being killed, saving the tax payers an obscene amount of money and solving Americas slow invasion from Mexico issue.
Maybe it's the pro-war American citizens that are causing the problem not the anti-war ones.
I didn't forget to say it. ....................It is a giventopal63 wrote:
And you forgot to mention that Liberal Americans are the real enemy of America.
I use plenty of links to things so I am not sure what you are talking about.Marinejuana wrote:
Please add to the debate by citing information that goes beyond your personal experiences and opinions. If we tacitly believed anybody that "speaks from experience" then we'd walk in circles.
Well it is ashame that all of you think nothing more is at stake here than how much youy pay for gas or how long the line is at the airport. Not only is it shameful, it is down right pathetic.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
I'll QFE it too.lowing wrote:
You don't care??!!! AND quoted for effect??!! No comment to this BS. It pretty much speaks for itself.Cougar wrote:
QFE
Honestly, if a plane gets highjacked in California, or England, or somewhere else. What are you going to do about it when you live in say...North Carolina. If my government's that worried about terror attacks that they suposedly prevent, let them worry about it. The only way it's going to affect me in life is the price at the pump when something like 9/11 goes down again.
what? like where u have us read an article saying that terroist received $12 million from Muslims in the U.S.? Do you mean more links that do not impact the debate but allow you to continue pretending that your stance can be defended? Why does a pathetically small amount of funding like that criminalize Muslims when the U.S. is spending hundreds of billions of dollars supporting U.S. and Iraeli occupation of Muslim soil?usmarine2005 wrote:
I use plenty of links to things so I am not sure what you are talking about.Marinejuana wrote:
Please add to the debate by citing information that goes beyond your personal experiences and opinions. If we tacitly believed anybody that "speaks from experience" then we'd walk in circles.
Get a clue dude, you can either participate in the debate, or accept that your personal opinions should have no bearing on the rest of us. We are paying more than 10 times as much to attack their soil, and its a fact that much more than 10 times the number of Muslims are dying than Americans. I've responded to your posts 5-6 (?) times in 2 threads over the last day and you have made only a single attempt to supply us with evidence for your point of view, and in this single case, as I am once again demonstrating, it was a completely irrelevent piece of information that doesn't detract in any way from the magnitude of the crime our military is commiting.
What say you? Do you actually have some valuable information for us or are you just going to keep hiding behind your rhetorical one-sentence replies.
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I am not going to read walls of text. And since you think lancet is accurate, it is not worth my time or any ones time. Good day.
i gave u multiple sources that are endorsed by the academic community. is your secret personal knowledge somehow above all other sources of information? Your a hack dude, posting all day in a D&ST forum and yet you don't even debate! Have some self-respect.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/20 … _fire.html
http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/03/0 … s-a-fraud/
http://www.fumento.com/military/lancetscripps.html
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr … ent_wrong/
You see, this has been debated so many times, I am simply done with it. Why can't you get that through your head?
http://www.texasrainmaker.com/2007/03/0 … s-a-fraud/
http://www.fumento.com/military/lancetscripps.html
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andr … ent_wrong/
You see, this has been debated so many times, I am simply done with it. Why can't you get that through your head?
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Open your eyes.{DGC}{jr.}Blitzkrieg wrote:
Do you consider Hawaii our soil? If so, I'd consider Pearl Harbor an act of War thus making it a little over 60 years. And the only reason war hasn't touched our soil is because we're protected by two oceans and we're cool with Mexico and Canada.Marinejuana wrote:
How can you make such an insane claim when war hasn't even touched our continental soil in over 100 years?
Ficticious scenario for you here dude... Purely hypothetical...
Say the USSR had positioned long range tactical bombers with nuclear weapons in airbases in South America and Siberia with the intention of bombinb mainland US cities.
Now say that US people on the ground confirmed these reports and the CIA intercepted communications directly from Kruchev's office explicitly stating that the intention was to bomb US cities into oblivion and then deploy the massive naval power of the USSR against the USA.
Would you consider those an act of war? PM your answer please.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.