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2007-07-21 18:34:01
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


So you're saying that if someone contravenes a resolution long enough then it should just be forgotten about. I wonder why the same principle wasn't adopted with respect to the Iraq...
No I am saying that resolution was not adopted FOR Israel, it was adopted for all parties involved, and since the Arab nations have already established their position in history as being untrustworthy and violent, there is simply no way Israel could let her guard down. In that point in history it shouldhave been the Arab nations to back off and stop with the constant threats toward Israel if Israel was expected to pull out of territories used to launch attacks against her.
'Untrustworthy' when it comes to the US demanding that they act against their own interests. 'Violent' when it comes to defending their interests (in 67 Islamic extremism was not an issue).

I think you'll find Egypt and Jordan made peace with Israel - is that the kind of backing off you're talking about?
Cam I am not being a smart ass here, but your point eludes me, can you rephrase please?


Peace with Egypt and Jordan? I wonder which side these countries will when war breaks out again and they were unprovoked by Israel?
2007-07-21 18:34:49
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


As soon as the rest of the world grows some balls and denies terrorists safe harbor for their money and their operatives.
Good luck with that. lol. Better check flight schools in the Florida region. Apparently they were 'harboring' Islamic extremist operatives...
Yup unknowingly they did. Now they know what to look for, and you know what I meant by that post.
Yes they do know what to look for now - meaning the folly of Iraq and Afghanistan can be put behind them and the focus can be shifted onto domestic security and fortress America: the real solution.
2007-07-21 18:42:48
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Good luck with that. lol. Better check flight schools in the Florida region. Apparently they were 'harboring' Islamic extremist operatives...
Yup unknowingly they did. Now they know what to look for, and you know what I meant by that post.
Yes they do know what to look for now - meaning the folly of Iraq and Afghanistan can be put behind them and the focus can be shifted onto domestic security and fortress America: the real solution.
I do not want to live in "fortress America". The world should not stand for such solutions. Baracade yourselves within your countries so the boogyman doesn't get you.

Govts. decide friends or foes, trade partners and isolationists. The terrorists should not be left to decide these things for the world Cam
2007-07-21 18:46:30
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


Yup unknowingly they did. Now they know what to look for, and you know what I meant by that post.
Yes they do know what to look for now - meaning the folly of Iraq and Afghanistan can be put behind them and the focus can be shifted onto domestic security and fortress America: the real solution.
I do not want to live in "fortress America". The world should not stand for such solutions. Baracade yourselves within your countries so the boogyman doesn't get you.

Govts. decide friends or foes, trade partners and isolationists. The terrorists should not be left to decide these things for the world Cam
Well as you know I'm a western isolationist, willing only to trade fairly with other nations and not willing to undermine sovereign governments elsewhere or impose my will on people in the developing world. I guess that's where we differ. You prefer to choose pointless and counter-productive (as stated by the CIA) exacerbation of the problem through war in wildly far-off countries, coolly disregarding the fact that your 'open border' America is practically an invitation to any crackpot suicide bomber anywhere in the entire world.
2007-07-21 18:46:40
Braddock
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lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:


Yup unknowingly they did. Now they know what to look for, and you know what I meant by that post.
Yes they do know what to look for now - meaning the folly of Iraq and Afghanistan can be put behind them and the focus can be shifted onto domestic security and fortress America: the real solution.
I do not want to live in "fortress America". The world should not stand for such solutions. Baracade yourselves within your countries so the boogyman doesn't get you.

Govts. decide friends or foes, trade partners and isolationists. The terrorists should not be left to decide these things for the world Cam
That is the strangest thing to say ..that a Country should not have to maintain its own security domestically and not have to interfere in other parts of the world. It works very well for countries like Switzerland, Rep. Of Ireland etc.
2007-07-21 18:52:17
lowing
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Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Yes they do know what to look for now - meaning the folly of Iraq and Afghanistan can be put behind them and the focus can be shifted onto domestic security and fortress America: the real solution.
I do not want to live in "fortress America". The world should not stand for such solutions. Baracade yourselves within your countries so the boogyman doesn't get you.

Govts. decide friends or foes, trade partners and isolationists. The terrorists should not be left to decide these things for the world Cam
That is the strangest thing to say ..that a Country should not have to maintain its own security domestically and not have to interfere in other parts of the world. It works very well for countries like Switzerland, Rep. Of Ireland etc.
I never said we shouldn't maintain security within our borders. I said we should not be forced to live in a world where we need to baracade ourselves with those borders for fear of attacks.
Please do not get me started on my feelings toward nuetral countries. They take no stand, and let everyone around them do their fighting for them, unless of course the bad guys are at their doorstep then they will do whatever they need to, to accomadate a peace with them. No thanks.
2007-07-21 18:54:10
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

I never said we shouldn't maintain security within our borders. I said we should not be forced to live in a world where we need to baracade ourselves with those borders for fear of attacks.
Please do not get me started on my feelings toward nuetral countries. They take no stand, and let everyone around them do their fighting for them, unless of course the bad guys are at their doorstep then they will do whatever they need to, to accomadate a peace with them. No thanks.
Switzerland has one of the best armies in the world lowing and it has a plan in place that would close all routes into Switzerland in a heartbeat if they should find themselves threatened. They also built additional redundant hospitals underneath all of the existing hospitals so that they would be able to continue to function no matter what befalls them. The right way to go about self defence and neutrality.

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2007-07-21 23:06:17
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I never said we shouldn't maintain security within our borders. I said we should not be forced to live in a world where we need to baracade ourselves with those borders for fear of attacks.
Please do not get me started on my feelings toward nuetral countries. They take no stand, and let everyone around them do their fighting for them, unless of course the bad guys are at their doorstep then they will do whatever they need to, to accomadate a peace with them. No thanks.
Switzerland has one of the best armies in the world lowing and it has a plan in place that would close all routes into Switzerland in a heartbeat if they should find themselves threatened. They also built additional redundant hospitals underneath all of the existing hospitals so that they would be able to continue to function no matter what befalls them. The right way to go about self defence and neutrality.
Conspiring with anyone that threatens you must also be part of any good neutrality plan, huh?? Good thing the allies won the war for Switzerland or they mighta been fucked right about 60 years ago.
2007-07-22 10:12:43
mikkel
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lowing wrote:

Just like here in the US, Bin Laden wants a democratic president, and low and behold, he probably will get one. ?
Perhaps Bin Laden wants a democratic president so that the Middle East won't be treated like a munitions disposal dump anymore. If Bin Laden wanted a democratic president to make his job easier, do you honestly think that a man of his abilities and obvious intellect would voice such opinions to one of the most impressionable and easily manipulated populations on the planet?

You're delusional.
2007-07-22 10:19:37
AutralianChainsaw
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Ron Paul!!  The only REAL republican
2007-07-22 10:25:09
AutralianChainsaw
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mikkel wrote:

lowing wrote:

Just like here in the US, Bin Laden wants a democratic president, and low and behold, he probably will get one. ?
Perhaps Bin Laden wants a democratic president so that the Middle East won't be treated like a munitions disposal dump anymore. If Bin Laden wanted a democratic president to make his job easier, do you honestly think that a man of his abilities and obvious intellect would voice such opinions to one of the most impressionable and easily manipulated populations on the planet?

You're delusional.
The dems if elected will keep the troops in Iraq and will probaly continue the aggression towards Iran.. Hillary voted for the war and Obama is the new puppet of AIPAC.

https://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D020307/obama_aipac248_ap.jpg

As strange as it sounds, only a republican will get your country out of this mess, and it looks like the military personnel mostly agree with Him..

His name is Ron Paul.
2007-07-22 10:26:23
Smitty5613
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holy shit, i cant believe 11% of the troops donated to hillary.....

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2007-07-22 12:39:06
lowing
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mikkel wrote:

lowing wrote:

Just like here in the US, Bin Laden wants a democratic president, and low and behold, he probably will get one. ?
Perhaps Bin Laden wants a democratic president so that the Middle East won't be treated like a munitions disposal dump anymore. If Bin Laden wanted a democratic president to make his job easier, do you honestly think that a man of his abilities and obvious intellect would voice such opinions to one of the most impressionable and easily manipulated populations on the planet?

You're delusional.
Nope, there was a democratic president in office during all the other attacks on US interests he comitted, not until 911 was there any counter response. He simply wants a pussy back in office so he can come out of hiding and continue his attacks on US interests without fear of reprisals, and he will get it.



"Delusional", there is that word again, lol

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2007-07-22 13:07:53
CameronPoe
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lowing wrote:

Conspiring with anyone that threatens you must also be part of any good neutrality plan, huh?? Good thing the allies won the war for Switzerland or they mighta been fucked right about 60 years ago.
Nobody was threatening Switzerland in WWII lowing. Neutrality entails treating all external parties the same, which they did.
2007-07-22 13:45:12
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Conspiring with anyone that threatens you must also be part of any good neutrality plan, huh?? Good thing the allies won the war for Switzerland or they mighta been fucked right about 60 years ago.
Nobody was threatening Switzerland in WWII lowing. Neutrality entails treating all external parties the same, which they did.
So let me see, in another scenerio, Hitler has conquered all of Europe, including England and Russia, and the only part he is willing to "live and let live" is Switzerland?? Because it is neutral??? Raise your hands all who believe that shit. The fact is the Swiss didn't fight because everyone else did for them so they could remain neutral.

Hitler even turned on Russia with which he had a treaty with. Hitler had long proven himself ruthless and untrustworthy as an ally and a nieghbor.

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