BF2S Forums Why do some people not know the meaning of some ideologies?

Rebelfighter45 wrote:

There are some weird things in the world happening if we talk about ideologies.
For example: Russian neo-nazis?? WTF, that doesn't make sense, nazism is about killing the slavic people or reduce the to slaves for the "superior" arian race. If russians (or poles, any other of slavic people) are neo-nazis they are against themselfs!!
It's just another case of people who don't know where the ideologie is standing for. They think it's about white people, but it isn't.
It makes me a bit mad.
Why do they believe in such an ideology that is against them?? Do they really don't know the truth??

"Nazi" is just the shortform for "nationalist".

Zodiaccup wrote:

"Nazi" is just the shortform for "nationalist".

'Nazi' is actually short for Nationalist Socialist' (in the German language, of course).

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Zodiaccup wrote:

"Nazi" is just the shortform for "nationalist".

'Nazi' is actually short for Nationalist Socialist' (in the German language, of course).

That's true, but that's not changing my point; there can be nazis in every country on this planet.

Rebelfighter45 wrote:

Nazi stands for "Nationalsozialismus" or in english "National Socialism". And being a nazi is standing for more than being a nationalist.

The word "Nazi" stands for national socialst, like you said. Nothing less nothing more.

Last edited by Zodiaccup (2007-07-22 10:56:30)

Rebelfighter45 wrote:

Being a nationalist doesn't make you a "nazi", neither does the bald head of a bonehead. It is about believing "superiority of the arian race", being a anti-semetist, Arians should rule the world, other races are minor,.... and other of that crap bullshit talk

Of course the word Nazi nowadays means more to us, due to history, than just "national socialist". But basically it's nothing else. It's just a word for national socialst.

Edit: So when you are a national socialst (no matter in what country), people can call you a nazi. Period.

Last edited by Zodiaccup (2007-07-22 11:05:24)

what i hate is how people call countries communist when there not even close to a communist state there should be no class system in a communist country everyone should get what they need and equal amount of luxuries. But i cant blame most people because i dont think they were taught the truth about communism ideologue Karl Marx's communism.

Rebelfighter45 wrote:

Ever heard about "mein kampf"? it is the book that hitler wrote. In that book, his whole vision(and that of national socialism) was written. And yes he always had the plan of exterminating the jews, invade russia,.... and so on, and so on

Of course, I heard about it. And it's illegal to sell it here in germany.

I just wanted to make clear in my prior post that words are just words. And the word "Nazi" in it's soucre, is just a
bad politcal attitude. What hitler/ the nazis made out of it is another horrible thing.

Rebelfighter45 wrote:

Yeah, Hitler was insane and a ugly moustache. damn those idiots.
Has somebody read "das kapital" or " The Communist Manifesto"?

Yes, the Communist Manifesto... Fuck me that's a hard book to get through. Economic theory was boring enough in class...


Oh and not many people use fascism properly either.








Just about the only place on Earth where it's possible to get Mein Kampf easily is Israel, and that's an extensively annotated and modified version from what I've heard.

Turquoise wrote:

I get the impression that a lot of Russians are nuts...

Don't even get me started on crazy Russians...

Coincidentally, I was having a beer with a sociology professor at the local university here this weekend (one of the few fellow Americans in this town besides the batshit stupid Mormon evangelicals) where we were discussing this very topic.  He pointed out that "Nazism" in WW2 was not just a particularly "German" thing.  Many Russian states or puppet states, including Romania and Ukraine, looked towards the Germans as a source of supply and material for the various pro-nationalist and anti-communist (and anti-semetic) groups rebelling against Stalin.  The Waffen SS even fielded a British division (made up of 15 or so people), along with a several full strength French, Dutch, Polish, Scandinavian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Greek, and even Ukrainian divisions.  Many regular people in these countries honestly perceived the Nazi's as some kind of saviors, and their kids joined the Nazi armies in droves.  These all saw action in WW2 in one capacity or another.  There's even some political wrangling today as to whether Ukraine's Waffen SS veterans should enjoy the same veteran status as those that fought for the communists in WW2.

Nazi Germany could not have had so successful an occupation of most of Europe without co-opting at least a small dissaffected faction from each "host country".

Last edited by GorillaTicTacs (2007-07-23 03:01:08)

Bubbalo wrote:

Neo-Nazism is different to Nazism, characterised by pro-white rather than pro-Aryan.

That's probably more of a US thing. In Greece for example you get lots of fascist groups claiming that pure Greeks (Pelasgians) are Aryans, not mixed with other Balkan people like Turks, Albanians or Slavs. Anyway, its all BS.

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

The Waffen SS even fielded a British division (made up of 15 or so people), along with a several full strength French, Dutch, Polish, Scandinavian, Romanian, Bulgarian, Greek, and even Ukrainian divisions.

When was that? Because I know for a fact that Greeks gave the nazis a pretty good fight back in the days of the war. Later of course we got nazi-nationalists too but that's a different story.


edit: soo... the bastards!!

wikipedia wrote:

There were plans for a Greek division, but the plan was abandoned after the Greek partisan resistance blew up the organizing party's headquarters. Many Greeks from Southern Russia, however, enlarged the divisions as Ukrainians.

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oug wrote:

Bubbalo wrote:

Neo-Nazism is different to Nazism, characterised by pro-white rather than pro-Aryan.

That's probably more of a US thing. In Greece for example you get lots of fascist groups claiming that pure Greeks (Pelasgians) are Aryans, not mixed with other Balkan people like Turks, Albanians or Slavs. Anyway, its all BS.

No, that's Neo-Nazism as distinguished from Nazism (you could still be a Nazi today, putting you at odds with a Neo-Nazi).  Anyone claiming that anyone other than Aryans are Aryans is just stupid.

In fact, whilst the Nazis were very nationalistic, they were decidedly not socialist.