BF2S Forums How do any gun-owners on here justify their position?

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2007-07-23 13:58:14)

PureFodder wrote:

How many civillians would happily shoot or blow up their own soldiers?

PureFodder wrote:

I think going on a pro-gun website with nearly 50,000 people of which approximately 0 are against civilian gun ownership and trying to explain why I think guns are a bad idea would be trolling of the first order.

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2007-07-23 14:34:11)

west-phoenix-az wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

How many civillians would happily shoot or blow up their own soldiers?

I really don't know how many soldiers would participate in confiscation of citizen owned firearms.
It would become a civil war and both sides would lose a lot of lives.
One reason we have our firearms is to protect us from our government.
Governments fear armed citizens.

The personal firearms in the hands of US citizens is amazing. When you considering the amount of citizens owning, carrying and firing firearms everyday the loss of life is extremely low. The good/legal uses of firearms in the US far outweigh the evil that is done with them.

Most of the rampages that we see with firearms are done in gun-free (victim enriched) zones and/or are committed with illegal firearms.
The rules/laws that prohibit firearms in those zone are what attract the mentally ill to those locations to commit their slaughters.

"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life."

PureFodder wrote:

The USA has 2.5 times the homicide rate of the UK, approximately twice the rape rate and significantly higher violent crime rate. The US has 50 times the gun crime rate despite things like owning replicas 'air' pistols/rifles and paintball guns also contributing to the gun crime stats in the UK but not the US. The number one choce of firearm used to commit crime in the US is the 9mm pistol, in the UK it's the air rifle followed by the replica gun. (if you want to verify these stats go through the Bureau of Justice Statistics and the FBI websites, plus the UK home office crime statistics website for the UK stuff) The one thing that does appear in the favour of gun ownership is the much lower burglary rate in the US.

Last edited by west-phoenix-az (2007-07-23 14:49:00)

Pisacis wrote:

If these kids hadn't been able to get their ammo at the fucking supermarket,

west-phoenix-az wrote:

Soldier-Of-Wasteland wrote:

Actually, the bigger the gun, the smaller the penis (or the bigger the gun, the bigger the cunt??), and the smaller the penis, the less you can fight like a real man, with your own fist.

People (the anti-gun) with invalid arguments result to personal attacks.
Firearms are tools. Do you piss out house fires or do you use the best tool available?
Real man use their fists - no tools - get real.

Pisacis wrote:

I'm aware this is an age-old debate, but selfishly I just wanted some personal interaction with others regarding gun laws and whatnot. So even if this is retreading infinitely covered old ground, fresh debate rarely leads to increased ignorance - it'll be an elucidating discussion for all. Hopefully.

Anyway, my question (and, it has to be said, it goes out mainly to Americans) is simple. How can you justify owning a personal firearm? My personal point of view is that violence begets violence, and the problem is a reactionary, reciprocal one. Between the police, gangs and deranged rednecks, pissing contests over who has the biggest weapon (intentional AND hilarious) lead to people owning M-16s and shit like that. If no-one had these guns in the first place, no-one else would feel the need to go get one for themselves. I know it's a naive position to hold, but if purchasing guns - based on the assumption that a nationwide armistice is impossible - was better controlled, then we wouldn't see the kind of things that are freakishly common in the states.

This leads me on to my second point: massacres. Just go to Wikipedia and look up the "2006 School shooting outbreak", and articles on Columbine, Virginia Tech... the list goes on. If these kids hadn't been able to get their ammo at the fucking supermarket, maybe the thought wouldn't have crossed their minds. How many times have European schoolkids got a little pissed off at the world and killed 30 peers and teachers? That's a rhetorical question.

Anyway, I'm not trying to pretend that I'm being original or groundbreaking or even clever by bringing this up, it's just something I'd like to see discussed in a manner I can take a personal interest in. And on a forum for a video-game in which you shoot people for fun, it's an interesting backdrop to such a question.

Anyway, go wild.

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-23 15:46:00)

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-23 15:48:09)

williedyna wrote:

We wouldn't have a country if it wasn't for guns and violence.

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Pisacis wrote:

I'm aware this is an age-old debate, but selfishly I just wanted some personal interaction with others regarding gun laws and whatnot. So even if this is retreading infinitely covered old ground, fresh debate rarely leads to increased ignorance - it'll be an elucidating discussion for all. Hopefully.

Anyway, my question (and, it has to be said, it goes out mainly to Americans) is simple. How can you justify owning a personal firearm? My personal point of view is that violence begets violence, and the problem is a reactionary, reciprocal one. Between the police, gangs and deranged rednecks, pissing contests over who has the biggest weapon (intentional AND hilarious) lead to people owning M-16s and shit like that. If no-one had these guns in the first place, no-one else would feel the need to go get one for themselves. I know it's a naive position to hold, but if purchasing guns - based on the assumption that a nationwide armistice is impossible - was better controlled, then we wouldn't see the kind of things that are freakishly common in the states.

This leads me on to my second point: massacres. Just go to Wikipedia and look up the "2006 School shooting outbreak", and articles on Columbine, Virginia Tech... the list goes on. If these kids hadn't been able to get their ammo at the fucking supermarket, maybe the thought wouldn't have crossed their minds. How many times have European schoolkids got a little pissed off at the world and killed 30 peers and teachers? That's a rhetorical question.

Anyway, I'm not trying to pretend that I'm being original or groundbreaking or even clever by bringing this up, it's just something I'd like to see discussed in a manner I can take a personal interest in. And on a forum for a video-game in which you shoot people for fun, it's an interesting backdrop to such a question.

Anyway, go wild.

Come to the US, break into my home, threaten my family and find out, just how I JUSTIFY being a gun owner.

You will undersand just before you walk into the light.

I never realised you were religious.

PureFodder wrote:

The Russians found out all too painfuly what happens when huge numbers of poorly trained, poorly armed people go up against a well armed well equipt modern force.