lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289331,00.html


These assholes only face a max of 12 years in jail!!

Where did it begin in the US that punishing criminals for their actions is cruel and unusual punishment?

Guaranteed, we will see this new medical condition known as "video game syndrome" used as future defenses, because holding someone liable for their own actions just can't happen in America..
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7283|Cologne, Germany

what's your problem ? if the law says 12 years is the maximum for child neglect, then so be it. I am not saying the crime isn't serious, it is surely horrid and disgusting, but you'd get in trouble if you sentence child neglectors to the same jailtime as - let's say - muderers, rapists and the like.

12 years is a long time, and they are never going to see their kids anyway.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6727
How is 12 year in prision not a punishment?
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6997
12 years seems about right. They never intended to actually kill their children - they were just irresponsible. 12 years - 4400 odd days - of your life taken away from you is not exactly cause for celebration.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6732|Éire
I'm all for the whole 'punishment over rehabilitation' frame of mind but I must say 12 years seems like a decent punishment for a pretty bad case of shitty parenting. The children are still alive and can now be taken care of more thoroughly, no one died ...if the kids HAD died you could've locked them up and thrown the key away for all I care.

I wager that if it were in Ireland the scumbags would've got a suspended sentence. We had a rape case here recently where the guy was found guilty (after pleading not guilty) and was allowed to go home that same day (on the same train as his victim) to live out his suspended sentence ...now that's scandalous.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7199|Argentina
12 years is a long time, specially in prison.  It seems a fair punishment.
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6815|Kyiv, Ukraine
The right seems to be coming more unhinged by the day, actually downright schizophrenic.  I'd say 12 years is spot on for what the crime was, but weren't we just talking about how abhorrent harsh punishment is in Iran and China?  Up is down I suppose...
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA
First, the article says they could only get the MAX of 12 years it did not say they were going to get 12 years. It will probably be much lower than that. Whatcha think, maybe 1.5-3 years?

Anyway, 12 years is not fitting for this crime. Do the math, that is only 6 years per child and is appalling. These 2 children almost died do to the ABUSE ( attempted murder) not neglect, of their parents.

Rape, Murder, Child Molestation, should equal capital punishment, since DNA testing the way it is now, pretty much hangs you or sets you free.

DWI, Child Abuse etc. should be the same as attempted murder, and warrants life in prison.

Anyway, I can now see where the attitude that not having the punishment fit the crime comes from.

Last edited by lowing (2007-07-25 09:41:10)

SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|7010|Mountains of NC

^^^^^ what he said 1.5-3 years and then serve only 4 months and get out on good behavior
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bluecheese
Member
+0|6565
I can't stand it when people get out on good behaviour, does NOT change the fact that they neglected there babies during there most important developmental stages of their lives. Cant stand bullshit.
King_County_Downy
shitfaced
+2,791|7039|Seattle

We save the life terms for the real criminals. "Drug Offenders".
Sober enough to know what I'm doing, drunk enough to really enjoy doing it
CameronPoe
Member
+2,925|6997

lowing wrote:

First, the article says they could only get the MAX of 12 years it did not say they were going to get 12 years. It will probably be much lower than that. Whatcha think, maybe 1.5-3 years?

Anyway, 12 years is not fitting for this crime. Do the math, that is only 6 years per child and is appalling. These 2 children almost died do to the ABUSE ( attempted murder) not neglect, of their parents.

Rape, Murder, Child Molestation, should equal capital punishment, since DNA testing the way it is now, pretty much hangs you or sets you free.

DWI, Child Abuse etc. should be the same as attempted murder, and warrants life in prison.

Anyway, I can now see where the attitude that not having the punishment fit the crime comes from.
Lowing - the 'abuse' was not 'attempted murder', if anything it would be 'neglect likely to cause manslaughter'. There was no deliberation here.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

First, the article says they could only get the MAX of 12 years it did not say they were going to get 12 years. It will probably be much lower than that. Whatcha think, maybe 1.5-3 years?

Anyway, 12 years is not fitting for this crime. Do the math, that is only 6 years per child and is appalling. These 2 children almost died do to the ABUSE ( attempted murder) not neglect, of their parents.

Rape, Murder, Child Molestation, should equal capital punishment, since DNA testing the way it is now, pretty much hangs you or sets you free.

DWI, Child Abuse etc. should be the same as attempted murder, and warrants life in prison.

Anyway, I can now see where the attitude that not having the punishment fit the crime comes from.
Lowing - the 'abuse' was not 'attempted murder', if anything it would be 'neglect likely to cause manslaughter'. There was no deliberation here.
Yer right Cam, abuse is not attempted murder, IMO I am saying it should be, so back to deliberating.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7104|USA

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

First, the article says they could only get the MAX of 12 years it did not say they were going to get 12 years. It will probably be much lower than that. Whatcha think, maybe 1.5-3 years?

Anyway, 12 years is not fitting for this crime. Do the math, that is only 6 years per child and is appalling. These 2 children almost died do to the ABUSE ( attempted murder) not neglect, of their parents.

Rape, Murder, Child Molestation, should equal capital punishment, since DNA testing the way it is now, pretty much hangs you or sets you free.

DWI, Child Abuse etc. should be the same as attempted murder, and warrants life in prison.

Anyway, I can now see where the attitude that not having the punishment fit the crime comes from.
Lowing - the 'abuse' was not 'attempted murder', if anything it would be 'neglect likely to cause manslaughter'. There was no deliberation here.
Yer right Cam, abuse is not attempted murder, IMO I am saying it should be, so back to deliberating.
What do you suggest for punishment?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Lowing - the 'abuse' was not 'attempted murder', if anything it would be 'neglect likely to cause manslaughter'. There was no deliberation here.
Yer right Cam, abuse is not attempted murder, IMO I am saying it should be, so back to deliberating.
What do you suggest for punishment?
IMO, child abuse is attempted murder and should carry life. In general, start actually punishing criminals for their actions.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7104|USA

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Yer right Cam, abuse is not attempted murder, IMO I am saying it should be, so back to deliberating.
What do you suggest for punishment?
IMO, child abuse is attempted murder and should carry life. In general, start actually punishing criminals for their actions.
Your saying these two people should get life in prison?
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7127|United States of America

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:


What do you suggest for punishment?
IMO, child abuse is attempted murder and should carry life. In general, start actually punishing criminals for their actions.
Your saying these two people should get life in prison?
They played D&D, that's earns a death penalty right there.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6727

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Yer right Cam, abuse is not attempted murder, IMO I am saying it should be, so back to deliberating.
What do you suggest for punishment?
IMO, child abuse is attempted murder and should carry life. In general, start actually punishing criminals for their actions.
An important fact that shouldn't be discounted is that these parents are far more likely to learn from their obvious mistakes and rehabilitate back into society unlike someone who was actually deliberately attempting to kill someone. Then again I guess it depends what you think prison is for, revenge or rehabilitation. I think they should and will get 6 or so years and will learn the error of their ways, be pubished for it then get back to pulling themselves up by their own bootstraps and not sponging off the state in prison.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:


What do you suggest for punishment?
IMO, child abuse is attempted murder and should carry life. In general, start actually punishing criminals for their actions.
Your saying these two people should get life in prison?
Specifically, these 2 should be taken out back and shot!! But in general I am saying that child abuse, after the facts comes out in each case, should hold a max possible sentence of life, yes.

Look, everyone on here is up in arms about "torturing" terrorists, calling for Bush's head on a platter,well,what do you  think child abuse is?? And the majority of you posting here thinks that 12 years is tough enough for TORTURING a small child??

Worse is the fact that there is NO WAY IN HELL an infant or toddler is guilty of anything.
jonsimon
Member
+224|6937
Lowing, you have no sense of how long jailtime is. Perhaps you should surrendur a year of your life to a pleasureless life of physical labor and poor accomodations. Come back and complain about sentences then.
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7104|USA

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:


IMO, child abuse is attempted murder and should carry life. In general, start actually punishing criminals for their actions.
Your saying these two people should get life in prison?
Specifically, these 2 should be taken out back and shot!! But in general I am saying that child abuse, after the facts comes out in each case, should hold a max possible sentence of life, yes.

Look, everyone on here is up in arms about "torturing" terrorists, calling for Bush's head on a platter,well,what do you  think child abuse is?? And the majority of you posting here thinks that 12 years is tough enough for TORTURING a small child??

Worse is the fact that there is NO WAY IN HELL an infant or toddler is guilty of anything.
In that context, hypthetically, let's say evidence proved Bush was guilty of war crimes. Hypothetically now. He should then be executed for the loss of lives in Iraq?
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

jonsimon wrote:

Lowing, you have no sense of how long jailtime is. Perhaps you should surrendur a year of your life to a pleasureless life of physical labor and poor accomodations. Come back and complain about sentences then.
Typical, feel sorry for the criminal who spends 5 years in prison, while his victim spends eternity in the ground. Don't look now, jonsimon but that is exactly why it is called JAIL/PRISON and not a day at the beach. It is supposed to be hard.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7093|USA

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:


Your saying these two people should get life in prison?
Specifically, these 2 should be taken out back and shot!! But in general I am saying that child abuse, after the facts comes out in each case, should hold a max possible sentence of life, yes.

Look, everyone on here is up in arms about "torturing" terrorists, calling for Bush's head on a platter,well,what do you  think child abuse is?? And the majority of you posting here thinks that 12 years is tough enough for TORTURING a small child??

Worse is the fact that there is NO WAY IN HELL an infant or toddler is guilty of anything.
In that context, hypthetically, let's say evidence proved Bush was guilty of war crimes. Hypothetically now. He should then be executed for the loss of lives in Iraq?
In that context, first answer my question, why can you not replace child abuse with child torture? Tell me the difference. YOU guys are the ones that loathe torture yet imply that child abuse is different and locking these people away for life is too harsh.

I have no problem torturing terrorists for info, never have, so to me they are different topics. YOU guys think torture is torture and it is wrong and should be punished harshly, that is, apparently except torturing a child. In that case 12 years max is almost too harsh. Now, I am asking why?
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|7104|USA

lowing wrote:

Mason4Assassin444 wrote:

lowing wrote:


Specifically, these 2 should be taken out back and shot!! But in general I am saying that child abuse, after the facts comes out in each case, should hold a max possible sentence of life, yes.

Look, everyone on here is up in arms about "torturing" terrorists, calling for Bush's head on a platter,well,what do you  think child abuse is?? And the majority of you posting here thinks that 12 years is tough enough for TORTURING a small child??

Worse is the fact that there is NO WAY IN HELL an infant or toddler is guilty of anything.
In that context, hypthetically, let's say evidence proved Bush was guilty of war crimes. Hypothetically now. He should then be executed for the loss of lives in Iraq?
In that context, first answer my question, why can you not replace child abuse with child torture? Tell me the difference. YOU guys are the ones that loathe torture yet imply that child abuse is different and locking these people away for life is too harsh.

I have no problem torturing terrorists for info, never have, so to me they are different topics. YOU guys think torture is torture and it is wrong and should be punished harshly, that is, apparently except torturing a child. In that case 12 years max is almost too harsh. Now, I am asking why?
Get your quotes right. I didn't mention torture at all. Im asking the question.

12 years in this situation suits the crime I believe. There was no loss of life and the children will be fine, so a life sentence would be too harsh. <---that is just my opinion. Its your opinion that it was torture. By law, it was neglect.

In your opinion what should Scooter Libby's punishment be for perjury?



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jonsimon
Member
+224|6937

lowing wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

Lowing, you have no sense of how long jailtime is. Perhaps you should surrendur a year of your life to a pleasureless life of physical labor and poor accomodations. Come back and complain about sentences then.
Typical, feel sorry for the criminal who spends 5 years in prison, while his victim spends eternity in the ground. Don't look now, jonsimon but that is exactly why it is called JAIL/PRISON and not a day at the beach. It is supposed to be hard.
Lowing, NO ONE DIED. You are complaining that two people are not able to have more than 12 years of their life taken from them simply because they NEGLECTED AN OBLIGATION THAT COULD CAUSE PHYSICAL HARM TO OTHERS. Lowing, you honestly underestimate the psychological damage a single year in prison could do to a person like that. You should really stop talking until you have experienced it.

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