if someone insulted jesus, we would also have an uproar as he was also a very important prophet in our religion, the day of judgement has alot of relation with him.TheDarkRaven wrote:
It's the same as if someone insulted Jesus and how the Christians would react - Muslims just have Muhammad instead of Jesus as their main prophet.rawls2 wrote:
Then why the uproar over the popes comments or even the cartoons.CDK3Y wrote:
you got everything wrong buddy, Islam believes in Jesus and Muhammad as the prophets of God.... so yea.... we believe in God not in Muhammad
100,000 is quite a bit of people. That could be a whole standing army.CDK3Y wrote:
ever hear about extremists?rawls2 wrote:
Fine that's what you believe. But when the Pope calls out that Islam was spread by violence the Muslims proved him right by their actions. Was he right or wrong?CDK3Y wrote:
because he is our prophet...the messenger of God
their were in the few compared to the muslims in the world...maybe what? 100'000 came out? rioted? out of the total 1.4 billion muslim population.
They're not true Muslims.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
And you don't think that riots, and burning down embassies was a bit of an overreaction?CDK3Y wrote:
because he is our prophet...the messenger of Godrawls2 wrote:
Then why the uproar over the popes comments or even the cartoons.
Christians have done all that killing shit in the name of Christianity. Spanish Inquisition anyone?rawls2 wrote:
It's not the same. People insult Jesus all the time, especially on this forum. Christians don't react with violence like the muslims. That is what is so dangerous about islam.TheDarkRaven wrote:
It's the same as if someone insulted Jesus and how the Christians would react - Muslims just have Muhammad instead of Jesus as their main prophet.rawls2 wrote:
Then why the uproar over the popes comments or even the cartoons.
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I'd say it's payback time.
I'm defending your religion! Cut me some slack - I've been one of the few people on these forums who has defended and informed about Islam.CDK3Y wrote:
if someone insulted jesus, we would also have an uproar as he was also a very important prophet in our religion, the day of judgement has alot of relation with him.TheDarkRaven wrote:
It's the same as if someone insulted Jesus and how the Christians would react - Muslims just have Muhammad instead of Jesus as their main prophet.rawls2 wrote:
Then why the uproar over the popes comments or even the cartoons.
And anyway, I never said Muslims wouldn't - I'm just supplying him with an example he can understand and relate to easier.
The problem is that until moderate, or so called real muslims, step up and put an end to it, all Muslims will continue to be lumped together...especially if radicals ever use a weapon of mass destruction.TheDarkRaven wrote:
They're not true Muslims.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
And you don't think that riots, and burning down embassies was a bit of an overreaction?CDK3Y wrote:
because he is our prophet...the messenger of God
The crusades were a collective failure. It never stopped the spread of Islam or kicked the Muslims out of the holy lands.
Only the uneducated ever rant on about it....including your cuntface leader.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
yea....a 100'000 people standing with sticks and stones and home made ak's which jam after the first burst....against what? F16? Tanks? Marines?rawls2 wrote:
100,000 is quite a bit of people. That could be a whole standing army.CDK3Y wrote:
ever hear about extremists?rawls2 wrote:
Fine that's what you believe. But when the Pope calls out that Islam was spread by violence the Muslims proved him right by their actions. Was he right or wrong?
their were in the few compared to the muslims in the world...maybe what? 100'000 came out? rioted? out of the total 1.4 billion muslim population.
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
Ahhhh lots of uneducated people being identified.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I have only one thing to sayAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
The problem is that until moderate, or so called real muslims, step up and put an end to it, all Muslims will continue to be lumped together...especially if radicals ever use a weapon of mass destruction.
As I said in another topic:
It must suck to be a Muslim who isn't an extremist. These jackwohles who happen to somewhat identify with the same religion as you begin committing acts of terrorism, which serves as a stain upon your religion. And now, because you don't speak out against it you are suddenly in danger of being seen as having sympathy towards the terrorists? Who in their right mind would, in the first place, support what the extremists are doing. A sensible person of any other faith would not be suspected of being on the side of extremism but how come these people are? Man, that blows.
m3thod wrote:
Ahhhh lots of educated people being identified I wish I was one of them.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
Religion hasn't evolved, it's still used for the same old damn thing. They just present it a little differently. In any case, religion is full of tards that simply can't deal with the truth.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
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m3thod BA MA MSc Soon to have MBArawls2 wrote:
m3thod wrote:
Ahhhh lots of educated people being identified I wish I was one of them.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
More than you punk.
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edited my post after whining somewhere else it should be bannable offence! LOL @ U.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Bullshit! Even to this day, leading Muslim clerics are changing how the Hajj is conducted (just an example of how Muslims are changing their ways).rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
For another, if people can't pray at the time they should because of work etc. Allah will understand (businesses in Muslim countries wouldn't be allowed to do this - in the Western world, clerics have become compassionate).
Stop riding on your inappropriate and bigoted view. Self-righteous git - that's the kind of scummy self-representation from Christians that I detest and loathe. You're no better than they are - you're all human beings and very little separates you. You share much in common in the roots of your religions - both Abrahamic. I'm ranting with blind fury, so I'll stop now.
uneducated or ignorant?rawls2 wrote:
m3thod wrote:
Ahhhh lots of educated people being identified I wish I was one of them.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
idk...who am i to judge.
all i'll say is that its never fair to judge every person of any group based on the actions of a minority...
that'd be like me saying all christians are morons after watching a televangelist.
Your absolutley correct that we are the same and we all believed in Abraham. Sucks to be you. To have a minority of your believers ruining any good thing Islam can bring. They are the ones bieng seen and heard. Not the normal everyday people who are good and decent people. If anything Islam is at war with itself. The problem is the war has spilled onto our turf and now were fighting back. Be it words we're fighting back.TheDarkRaven wrote:
Bullshit! Even to this day, leading Muslim clerics are changing how the Hajj is conducted (just an example of how Muslims are changing their ways).rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
For another, if people can't pray at the time they should because of work etc. Allah will understand (businesses in Muslim countries wouldn't be allowed to do this - in the Western world, clerics have become compassionate).
Stop riding on your inappropriate and bigoted view. Self-righteous git - that's the kind of scummy self-representation from Christians that I detest and loathe. You're no better than they are - you're all human beings and very little separates you. You share much in common in the roots of your religions - both Abrahamic. I'm ranting with blind fury, so I'll stop now.
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FLAME ON!
Clearly you (rawls2) are not ruining peoples (outsiders) views of Christians with your great intelligence and logic and lack of emotive response.
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Coming from a guy whos name is Agent Dung BombAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Religion hasn't evolved, it's still used for the same old damn thing. They just present it a little differently. In any case, religion is full of tards that simply can't deal with the truth.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
I put it to you - perhaps they are being seen and heard, but they are not Muslims. They do not hold dear the core values and principles of Islam, and it is most of the "Western world's" ignorance that causes the misrepresentation of Muslims and the public's misunderstanding of Islam. Islam it not at war with itself - it is at war with people who I like to call "free radicals" (see my other posts on similar threads if you wish to know more). The problem never spilt onto "your turf" is beyond me - "westerners" provoked it and interfered in situations beyond your understanding and comprehension. It's a crying shame Christians (which I am presuming you are) cannot follow the principles of Jesus and show compassion and take the peaceful path.rawls2 wrote:
Your absolutley correct that we are the same and we all believed in Abraham. Sucks to be you. To have a minority of your believers ruining any good thing Islam can bring. They are the ones bieng seen and heard. Not the normal everyday people who are good and decent people. If anything Islam is at war with itself. The problem is the war has spilled onto our turf and now were fighting back. Be it words we're fighting back.TheDarkRaven wrote:
Bullshit! Even to this day, leading Muslim clerics are changing how the Hajj is conducted (just an example of how Muslims are changing their ways).rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
For another, if people can't pray at the time they should because of work etc. Allah will understand (businesses in Muslim countries wouldn't be allowed to do this - in the Western world, clerics have become compassionate).
Stop riding on your inappropriate and bigoted view. Self-righteous git - that's the kind of scummy self-representation from Christians that I detest and loathe. You're no better than they are - you're all human beings and very little separates you. You share much in common in the roots of your religions - both Abrahamic. I'm ranting with blind fury, so I'll stop now.
An interesting reply. I must admit it made me smile - if only so I could surprise you now. I'm not a Muslim - never have been, probably never will be. Indeed, I'm an atheist (born into a Christian Methodist family) who chose his own path. I'm 15 as well - could you have guessed that, too? But you know what - I care about what others believe and wish to understand them before I can comment on them (let alone hurl a tirade of abuse at them). So no, they are not "my believers" - they are my fellow man who I feel compassion for. But I guess knowledge is not something you crave. "Sucks to be you", as you so eloquently put it.
Ain't no mullah gonna convert me. He'll get a nice fuck you. Ain't no Pope gonna convert me either. He'll get a fuck you too. God damn Popes, and Supreme Ayatollahs, they're all the same. Fucking astounds me that this shit goes on in the 21st century.
Would you care to enlighten us with your brilliance about what my name has to do with what I said in that statement?d4rkst4r wrote:
Coming from a guy whos name is Agent Dung BombAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Religion hasn't evolved, it's still used for the same old damn thing. They just present it a little differently. In any case, religion is full of tards that simply can't deal with the truth.rawls2 wrote:
Ah yes, the Christian crusades.....we need another one to rid the world of these pagans. Hehe, just kidding...or am I?
To answer for the Christians, we have learned and evolved. Muslims want to think they've evolved but they haven't.
I too was once young and had great ideas of what the world was and where I fit in. Truth is life makes you cynical and the only "world" that matters is the one that surrounds you immediatly, ie. friends, family, and country. It's funny that you think I lack the thirst for knowledge just because of my personal views. To each his own. We'll see were your compassion level is in a few years when you've had a chance to experience what's really out there.TheDarkRaven wrote:
I put it to you - perhaps they are being seen and heard, but they are not Muslims. They do not hold dear the core values and principles of Islam, and it is most of the "Western world's" ignorance that causes the misrepresentation of Muslims and the public's misunderstanding of Islam. Islam it not at war with itself - it is at war with people who I like to call "free radicals" (see my other posts on similar threads if you wish to know more). The problem never spilt onto "your turf" is beyond me - "westerners" provoked it and interfered in situations beyond your understanding and comprehension. It's a crying shame Christians (which I am presuming you are) cannot follow the principles of Jesus and show compassion and take the peaceful path.rawls2 wrote:
Your absolutley correct that we are the same and we all believed in Abraham. Sucks to be you. To have a minority of your believers ruining any good thing Islam can bring. They are the ones bieng seen and heard. Not the normal everyday people who are good and decent people. If anything Islam is at war with itself. The problem is the war has spilled onto our turf and now were fighting back. Be it words we're fighting back.TheDarkRaven wrote:
Bullshit! Even to this day, leading Muslim clerics are changing how the Hajj is conducted (just an example of how Muslims are changing their ways).
For another, if people can't pray at the time they should because of work etc. Allah will understand (businesses in Muslim countries wouldn't be allowed to do this - in the Western world, clerics have become compassionate).
Stop riding on your inappropriate and bigoted view. Self-righteous git - that's the kind of scummy self-representation from Christians that I detest and loathe. You're no better than they are - you're all human beings and very little separates you. You share much in common in the roots of your religions - both Abrahamic. I'm ranting with blind fury, so I'll stop now.
An interesting reply. I must admit it made me smile - if only so I could surprise you now. I'm not a Muslim - never have been, probably never will be. Indeed, I'm an atheist (born into a Christian Methodist family) who chose his own path. I'm 15 as well - could you have guessed that, too? But you know what - I care about what others believe and wish to understand them before I can comment on them (let alone hurl a tirade of abuse at them). So no, they are not "my believers" - they are my fellow man who I feel compassion for. But I guess knowledge is not something you crave. "Sucks to be you", as you so eloquently put it.