What's a hazing ritual?loubot wrote:
It's a hard case to find out the truth, unless someone who witnessed the actual event comes forth. At this point, the evidence is circumstanual. I imagine the soldiers are going to be tight-lip (hence none of them really spoke out) to protect each other from this fall-out. In a couple of years, somone will shed some light.
Fox News (califonia) reporter called me a couple years after I got out of the military and wanted to know if I particpated in hazing ritual where I was stationed. He found out because somebody talked and give him a video. So the moral of the story is someone will talk and the truth will be know.
It's not about being the only misreported death. It's about clearing this one up. Then moving on and clearing another up. And so on, and so on.
People think that if they can get the government to clear up one, they'll be able to get them to do the same with others - not that I think that's likely.
-konfusion
People think that if they can get the government to clear up one, they'll be able to get them to do the same with others - not that I think that's likely.
-konfusion
Hazing as in bullying newer soldiers.ghettoperson wrote:
What's a hazing ritual?loubot wrote:
It's a hard case to find out the truth, unless someone who witnessed the actual event comes forth. At this point, the evidence is circumstanual. I imagine the soldiers are going to be tight-lip (hence none of them really spoke out) to protect each other from this fall-out. In a couple of years, somone will shed some light.
Fox News (califonia) reporter called me a couple years after I got out of the military and wanted to know if I particpated in hazing ritual where I was stationed. He found out because somebody talked and give him a video. So the moral of the story is someone will talk and the truth will be know.
there are a lot of things that happen in a combat zone that only those who were involved will know the real truth. sometimes that falsehood is better than the actual truth, to the familiy of the deceased. and its not neccessarily false. the truth is, war is what killed Tillman.
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does any of you have a USO member number or a hospitalized veteran of America supporter decal?
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
ill keep that in mind...you do realize usmarine is a veteran right?RECONDO67 wrote:
does any of you have a USO member number or a hospitalized veteran of America supporter decal?
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
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like I said in another thread I don't keep track of nicknames but if he was a marine he should know what it is to be ignored by the government.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
ill keep that in mind...you do realize usmarine is a veteran right?RECONDO67 wrote:
does any of you have a USO member number or a hospitalized veteran of America supporter decal?
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
the jarheads always get the leftover from the navy and thats not cool.
The nearest VA hospital is 6 hours away and I think the Marine Corps veteran plates on my truck speak for themselves.RECONDO67 wrote:
does any of you have a USO member number or a hospitalized veteran of America supporter decal?
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
Edit.
I forgot, the remains of a VA hospital is 20 miles from my home, but it got closed down thanks to budget cuts.
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WTF?RECONDO67 wrote:
like I said in another thread I don't keep track of nicknames but if he was a marine he should know what it is to be ignored by the government.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
ill keep that in mind...you do realize usmarine is a veteran right?RECONDO67 wrote:
does any of you have a USO member number or a hospitalized veteran of America supporter decal?
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
the jarheads always get the leftover from the navy and thats not cool.
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go to www.uso.org and you can help with money or buying calling cards for the troops in Iraq so they can call their familesS3v3N wrote:
The nearest VA hospital is 6 hours away and I think the Marine Corps veteran plates on my truck speak for themselves.RECONDO67 wrote:
does any of you have a USO member number or a hospitalized veteran of America supporter decal?
guys get involved in your community and you will be greatly appreciated there are lots of injured soldiers in the VA hospitals in your area.
Edit.
I forgot, the remains of a VA hospital is 20 miles from my home, but it got closed down thanks to budget cuts.
I wonder why recruit numbers are down.
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Cause some people join for college money and realize they actually have to go fight?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I wonder why recruit numbers are down.
Is that what you did? Did it for college?usmarine2005 wrote:
Cause some people join for college money and realize they actually have to go fight?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I wonder why recruit numbers are down.
Nope.Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
Is that what you did? Did it for college?usmarine2005 wrote:
Cause some people join for college money and realize they actually have to go fight?Mason4Assassin444 wrote:
I wonder why recruit numbers are down.
they are down among blacks and up among Hispanics and steady among whitesMason4Assassin444 wrote:
I wonder why recruit numbers are down.
the army has met the requirements but i believe they lower their actual goal and the standards
http://pandagon.blogsome.com/2007/06/25 … e-a-stone/
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Exactly. The hazards in war are numerous and lethal. Tillman was the poster-boy for the Army, a rising NFL star that gave up a million dollar career to fight terrorism, which the propagandists must have been drooling over. This is why the government handled the situation so piss poorly, because "they" killed one of their greatest recruiting tools not the Taliban. It must be a nightmare for the Tillman family and for every other family that's lost a son overseas, but the fact remains that it was nothing more than a tragic accident.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
there are a lot of things that happen in a combat zone that only those who were involved will know the real truth. sometimes that falsehood is better than the actual truth, to the family of the deceased. and its not necessarily false. the truth is, war is what killed Tillman.
You're both assclowns showing how completely inept you are at being part of the human race or part of the brotherhood you pretend to be a part of. And you call me anti-military. But I know, I know...i can't possible weigh in on yet another topic on this forum because I've never been in combat...usmarine2005 wrote:
Careful...you will be called disrespectful.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so Pat Tillman's life is more important than the 3800+ other service members that have died? I dont think so. Should have stayed playing football.
friggin media is telling you what to think on this one.
expertIRONCHEF wrote:
You're both assclowns showing how completely inept you are at being part of the human race or part of the brotherhood you pretend to be a part of. And you call me anti-military. But I know, I know...i can't possible weigh in on yet another topic on this forum because I've never been in combat...usmarine2005 wrote:
Careful...you will be called disrespectful.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so Pat Tillman's life is more important than the 3800+ other service members that have died? I dont think so. Should have stayed playing football.
friggin media is telling you what to think on this one.
lolIRONCHEF wrote:
You're both assclowns showing how completely inept you are at being part of the human race or part of the brotherhood you pretend to be a part of. And you call me anti-military. But I know, I know...i can't possible weigh in on yet another topic on this forum because I've never been in combat...usmarine2005 wrote:
Careful...you will be called disrespectful.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so Pat Tillman's life is more important than the 3800+ other service members that have died? I dont think so. Should have stayed playing football.
friggin media is telling you what to think on this one.
Why does shit have to be covered up? If there is no coverup, what then?usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...I know. And let them deal with it. Why does everything need to become a fucking media circus?topal63 wrote:
But the family is the one demanding an accounting for the discrepancies & misrepresentations.
Its really sad that you dont care...but then its your right.
he was used by the media/government when he joined
he was used by the media/government when he died
so why should it be any different now
he was used by the media/government when he died
so why should it be any different now
terry shiavo...a bunch of political asshats piled on contributing to the media circus. I dont see how they are the same thing. Here, the family is the one demanding the truth.Schwarzelungen wrote:
i probably should have worded it a bit more carefully and or explained a bit more.topal63 wrote:
Wrong - it's the opposite of what you think... the family & other parties are engaging the media - to help put pressure on the government.Schwarzelungen wrote:
he's got a point. dealing with the loss is bad enough, but being hounded my lame reporters while trying to sort this all out is probably not helping anything
I personally would not enjoy the media coverage if this happened to someone i knew. i understand that this guys family is actively engaging the media to help their cause *and i understand why they are doing it*
but im also thinking about how events can easily turn into ridiculous *as Usmarine says* "a fucking media circus"
see terry shiavo from a few years back
usmarine2005 wrote:
lol
Exactly my point.dickslingerOIF II wrote:
expert
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Oh yeah i'm an Uber L33t Scout Sniper according to you.IRONCHEF wrote:
You're both assclowns showing how completely inept you are at being part of the human race or part of the brotherhood you pretend to be a part of. And you call me anti-military. But I know, I know...i can't possible weigh in on yet another topic on this forum because I've never been in combat...usmarine2005 wrote:
Careful...you will be called disrespectful.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so Pat Tillman's life is more important than the 3800+ other service members that have died? I dont think so. Should have stayed playing football.
friggin media is telling you what to think on this one.
I'm a second lieutenant.