Good and bad, because people will whore jets if they know how to use them, and those that don't will still try to fly.
Last edited by Undetected_Killer (2007-08-07 13:33:09)
Poll
Was the high learning curve for air vehicles a good idea or a bad idea
| Good Idea | 77% | 77% - 95 | ||||
| Bad Idea | 6% | 6% - 8 | ||||
| What's a jet? | 15% | 15% - 19 | ||||
| Total: 122 | ||||||
The "high-learning curve" is what separates this game from BF2142.
i hope i note sarcasm... cause if you only use a keyboard then your only good as a pilot not a gunner... id own anyone who only uses a keyboard... in fact i laugh at you.. muahahahahahaSinn_Ah_Taggh wrote:
the first sound argument ive heard all day:D{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
One thing I don't get is why people use their mouse to fly.
Keyboard only = win.
im wondering about the same thing......fatherted13 wrote:
Bigger question, wtf's BF2?Samtheman53.0000012 wrote:
Whats a jet?
Last edited by Danard (2007-08-07 13:41:47)
a higher learning curve is ALWAYS better. Bf2's was high, but not enough. BF2142 has no learning curve.
I forgot how you and everyone else just picked up BF2 and owned everyone right out of the box...elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It takes a lot of time and practice to get good at flying, especially choppers. It's the reason why a noob can't even come close to killing an experienced pilot in a chopper fight.
Yeah, thats why when I got my best friend who's really good at Counter-Strike to gun for me in a chopper at a LAN center, he was doing really good, and it was his first time playing the game...Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I forgot how you and everyone else just picked up BF2 and owned everyone right out of the box...elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It takes a lot of time and practice to get good at flying, especially choppers. It's the reason why a noob can't even come close to killing an experienced pilot in a chopper fight.
Bf2 does not have a high learning curve.
i learned to fly in BF1942 and BFV singleplayer, and it kind of just came along easily in bf2. there isn't a very high learning curve, i just get in and fly
Pointing a gun at a target after playing hundreds of hours of shooting games shouldn't be hard.elite.mafia wrote:
Yeah, thats why when I got my best friend who's really good at Counter-Strike to gun for me in a chopper at a LAN center, he was doing really good, and it was his first time playing the game...Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
I forgot how you and everyone else just picked up BF2 and owned everyone right out of the box...elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It takes a lot of time and practice to get good at flying, especially choppers. It's the reason why a noob can't even come close to killing an experienced pilot in a chopper fight.
Bf2 does not have a high learning curve.
Constantly learning how vehicles respond to movement in video games is what he is talking about. I'm sure you were able to maneuver the heli just the way you wanted right from the get-go, right? Think about it - it is not easy (like the Gunship in BF2142). It takes skill. It takes (some) time to get used to it, and to "get a feel" for the vehicle. I agree, the learning curve is nowhere near as high as other games, but there is certainly a learning curve to the air vehicles (and I think it is a good thing).
Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-08-07 14:03:31)
Flying a jet is EASY, flying a chopper is slightly harder then easy.
Out manuvering some kid who has spent 50,000 hours in his room fly BF2 jets is fuggin hard, Dogging him in a chopper while killing that AA and setting up for a shot on an enemy chopper before it TV's you I find damn near impossible.
The learning curve isn't the vehicle themself....Its not hard to fly around a LAN game. There are just a lot of people who are good with them and they are powerful when used right.
On top of that they are pretty limited. So the guy who is real good can keep his jet for more practice while the guy learning hits the mountain as soon as he starts trying to evade.
Its really just a lack of practice, which can be hard to get when your not good enough to keep a jet.
Out manuvering some kid who has spent 50,000 hours in his room fly BF2 jets is fuggin hard, Dogging him in a chopper while killing that AA and setting up for a shot on an enemy chopper before it TV's you I find damn near impossible.
The learning curve isn't the vehicle themself....Its not hard to fly around a LAN game. There are just a lot of people who are good with them and they are powerful when used right.
On top of that they are pretty limited. So the guy who is real good can keep his jet for more practice while the guy learning hits the mountain as soon as he starts trying to evade.
Its really just a lack of practice, which can be hard to get when your not good enough to keep a jet.
damn was is this JET i have never seen of them, what do they eat in the winter time?
I tell you what, I was terrible in the chopper when I started playing the game up unto the point I got my new computer. Now I'm 3,000 times better now that I get 100 frames/second compared to the 10 frames/second of my old computer. (the computer I played this game with for 2 years)stef10 wrote:
hmmm, terrible computer or 128 kb/s internet.TrashBlinD wrote:
Then how do you explain that after 2 years 90% of players can't use a chopper properly?stef10 wrote:
WTF. There was no high learning curve.
ok, you are right there are a lot of bad pilots which both cant fly or understand a gunner correctly. But I had no problems.
Only really start problem I had was hovering over the electricity flag-point on Dragon Valley.
The only reason most people don't fly heli's very well is the fact that most people jump in the gunner/passenger seat to get kills.
That, and everyone runs for the jet to tk for it, and then proceed to the nearest armor.
That, and everyone runs for the jet to tk for it, and then proceed to the nearest armor.
I have all the toys for air fights. Joystick, throttle and rudders, but waiting in line to be tk`ed for a jet or chopper gives me a sour taste.
I`d rather fight and help out my team than stand half the round waiting for a chopper or plane.
So naturally the ones that don`t help out their team and just spend hour waiting to get their precious chopper or plane will gradually become better. And for the assholes that don`t really play the game - except if they can fly becomes god with the helo or jet and us "normal" players don`t stand a chance.
What BF2 should have had is a ticket machine like the one at your local pharmacy. Then there would be no tk`ing or other crap.
I have 9 hours in chopper, i would guess 85% of that time is in the black hawk that no one really wants...
I`d rather fight and help out my team than stand half the round waiting for a chopper or plane.
So naturally the ones that don`t help out their team and just spend hour waiting to get their precious chopper or plane will gradually become better. And for the assholes that don`t really play the game - except if they can fly becomes god with the helo or jet and us "normal" players don`t stand a chance.
What BF2 should have had is a ticket machine like the one at your local pharmacy. Then there would be no tk`ing or other crap.
I have 9 hours in chopper, i would guess 85% of that time is in the black hawk that no one really wants...
Planes were no problem but adjusting to choppers took me a couple hours since I used to fly a whole lot in Operation Flashpoint where the chopper physics and controls were rather different. Once I got down the flying and not crashing into trees and stuff part it was only a matter of time before I adapted to flying in the mealstorm of battle.
i hate how 90% of all people that fly helicopters have no fucking clue what they are doing
Flying is easy, Combat flying takes time to learn.
10-20 minutes in any vehicle you should be able to get it from point a to point b without dieing (this can be done in single player). The real skill comes from combat, where you learn the limits of the vehicles and how to counter other pilots/ground units. To become good with any vehicle in combat will take days to master, but is well worth the effort.
10-20 minutes in any vehicle you should be able to get it from point a to point b without dieing (this can be done in single player). The real skill comes from combat, where you learn the limits of the vehicles and how to counter other pilots/ground units. To become good with any vehicle in combat will take days to master, but is well worth the effort.
Yeah. They certainly dumbed it down for 2142.TrashBlinD wrote:
Then how do you explain that after 2 years 90% of players can't use a chopper properly?stef10 wrote:
WTF. There was no high learning curve.
Lets just let this mans failure sink in a little more.BrimstoneFire wrote:
i hope i note sarcasm... cause if you only use a keyboard then your only good as a pilot not a gunner... id own anyone who only uses a keyboard... in fact i laugh at you.. muahahahahahaSinn_Ah_Taggh wrote:
the first sound argument ive heard all day:D{M5}Sniper3 wrote:
One thing I don't get is why people use their mouse to fly.
Keyboard only = win.
Its not ? How come u still blow in a chopper then?elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It does require some training to fly, im not even a good jet pilot yet (sometimes though )
But all these people who think they can fly (specially here on bf2s) can't !!!!!!
Maybe it seems to themself they are a good pilot, but step in my chopper, or any of my buddys, and we will show how u fly.
I wouldn't say it was a HIGH learning curve. Mebbe a medium.
I couldn't fly for shit for AGES, then one day in SP i was practicing, and it just clicked in my mind and then i became at least 500% better in the chopper. Same for Jets
Now, i won't say i'm a great pilot, cuz compared to a lot of people, i'm not. But i can pilot a round of sharqi with a gunner who knows how to use the 2nd seat in a chopper and do pretty damn welll for points and K
Even had one of those rounds where no one can seem to kill me, i felt godly
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I couldn't fly for shit for AGES, then one day in SP i was practicing, and it just clicked in my mind and then i became at least 500% better in the chopper. Same for Jets
Now, i won't say i'm a great pilot, cuz compared to a lot of people, i'm not. But i can pilot a round of sharqi with a gunner who knows how to use the 2nd seat in a chopper and do pretty damn welll for points and K
Even had one of those rounds where no one can seem to kill me, i felt godly
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*sigh*PHILIPS wrote:
Its not ? How come u still blow in a chopper then?elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It does require some training to fly, im not even a good jet pilot yet (sometimes though )
But all these people who think they can fly (specially here on bf2s) can't !!!!!!
Maybe it seems to themself they are a good pilot, but step in my chopper, or any of my buddys, and we will show how u fly.
Last edited by Buckles (2007-08-09 00:03:48)
As much as Mafia and I can get into it, you really need to rethink that post. Mafia is a fucking GANGSTER behind the wheel of a chopper. He pilots waaay more than he guns, so therefore, the kd ratio in chopper is gonna look bad. For crying out loud, look up Huellia. She has horrible stats for choppers, yet is one of the best pilots out there.PHILIPS wrote:
Its not ? How come u still blow in a chopper then?elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It does require some training to fly, im not even a good jet pilot yet (sometimes though )
But all these people who think they can fly (specially here on bf2s) can't !!!!!!
Maybe it seems to themself they are a good pilot, but step in my chopper, or any of my buddys, and we will show how u fly.
The learning curve wasn't high. It was there for sure. If you are looking for a learning curve, try Armed Assault.
almost anyone can fly a jet.. doesnt mean they can get loads of kills in it.
and u dont need a joystick to fly just a mouse and keyboard.... i dont know many ppl who can beat me in a jet. mouse ftw
and u dont need a joystick to fly just a mouse and keyboard.... i dont know many ppl who can beat me in a jet. mouse ftw
ORLY?Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
i dont know many ppl who can beat me in a jet. mouse ftw
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!! Huelia is one of the worst pilots out there, he/she fucking suck, seriously i think its a thing with German people they usually always blow at pc games, seriously he fucking sux.oChaos.Haze wrote:
As much as Mafia and I can get into it, you really need to rethink that post. Mafia is a fucking GANGSTER behind the wheel of a chopper. He pilots waaay more than he guns, so therefore, the kd ratio in chopper is gonna look bad. For crying out loud, look up Huellia. She has horrible stats for choppers, yet is one of the best pilots out there.PHILIPS wrote:
Its not ? How come u still blow in a chopper then?elite.mafia wrote:
Huh? The learning curve isn't high, what the fuck are you talking about?
It does require some training to fly, im not even a good jet pilot yet (sometimes though )
But all these people who think they can fly (specially here on bf2s) can't !!!!!!
Maybe it seems to themself they are a good pilot, but step in my chopper, or any of my buddys, and we will show how u fly.
The learning curve wasn't high. It was there for sure. If you are looking for a learning curve, try Armed Assault.
I played on his server (Bamboo Commandos) and he had no freaking idea what he was doing. Ask Arnie_Ze_Austrian or [Mork]Death they can both tell u he fucking blows, he sux more than a chinese hooker.
As Straz_Mataz said 90% of all players in bf2 have no idea wtf is going on when they fly a Heli/Jet.
Last edited by PHILIPS (2007-08-09 01:18:05)